Monkey, I hope you don't mind me posting sunday. I had a few drinks now, thus I'm not at my best now. :P I'll drop you a pm when I posted my reply, okay? :)

Monkey, I hope you don't mind me posting sunday. I had a few drinks now, thus I'm not at my best now. :P I'll drop you a pm when I posted my reply, okay? :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This basically means that you cant think of anything to defend your rediculous comments? The police did a great job IMO and I have gained respect for the police in London after hearing about this

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't all of the police in London unarmed? I thought they were only allowed to carry nightsticks, whistles, that stuff. Or was the officer who shot the soon-to-be-suicide-bomber a special forces type officer? Like London's SWAT.

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't all of the police in London unarmed? I thought they were only allowed to carry nightsticks, whistles, that stuff. Or was the officer who shot the soon-to-be-suicide-bomber a special forces type officer? Like London's SWAT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont know what the london police carry, but from what I read in the article it looked like it was special armed police because they specified "armed police"

havent bothered to read posts 4 and 5...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now...i value life to great lengths...which is y i think the police made the right decision

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dont think innocent people deserve to die..and i think that people such as that need to wiped away in the first place

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

do u think Hitlar shuld have lived as well Daan?...granted it was a different situation (very very different)...but it doesnt matter...he took life with no value on it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

theres no need to act "nice" to these scumbags anymore...look wat its done...more and more think they can do the same thing...9/11, the london buses, the Oklahoma bombing back in the 90's....etc...and now this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

show the terrorists their ways are not working...and they will pay for nything that they have done or will do...or u will get nowhere with these senseless pacifist unrealistic ideals...we live on the earth...a place of corruptedness and evil...sad but true

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't all of the police in London unarmed? I thought they were only allowed to carry nightsticks, whistles, that stuff. Or was the officer who shot the soon-to-be-suicide-bomber a special forces type officer? Like London's SWAT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

London has it's own branch of armed police officers, (i forget what they are called, it has a K in it somewhere) which are highly trained in the use of firearms. There aren't that many of them relitavely (only a few thousand) but after events such as 7/7 they will be very active. Quite why they were wearing plain clothes is debateable, but i presume so that they could "track down" the suicide bomber without being immediately noticed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My other theory is that the officer that shot the guy was in the SAS (special air service), Britain's equivalent of SWAT AND Delta Force (the SAS have dual roles). The SAS are the most highly trained anti-terrorist unit and military unit in the world (that we know about :wink: ), and they are trained to not mess around and kill their targets using the double tap method. This is cruicial in hostage situations for obvious reasons. The officers involved could have been SAS, they have been known to operate undercover.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and not trying to sidetrack the topic or anything, but bombs have reportedly killed 63 in Egypt. If it wasn't for the quick and decisisve thinking of the officers involved then that could of been London, on that very train. We have no idea how close this came to be, but you just cannot take your chances with terrorists.

 

 

Well i dont know about what your all saying, but its up to the regulations. I dont know about British cops, but here in Canada, if a cop takes the gun out of holster when uneeded, they are fired automaticly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the bomber didnt do anything did he? Sure he had a bomb and could of used it, but he didnt. Therefor this means that the cops used unesicary force to restrain him (definitly restrained now...). I doubt attempted murder is punishable with death, but perhaps by life in prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just to tell you all, no matter what, every living human being has right, even if they do something bad. Everyone has a right to live, even murderers

You're kidding right? No really "sure he had a bomb but he didn't use it" hahaha you're a joke and a half you are.

 

 

 

No actuly im being very serious. He didnt do anything. Really. Do people that get convicted of attepted murder get shot? No, but they do get to jail for along time. And it dosent matter if he tried to take the life of 1 or a thousand people, he still didnt commit the murder.

This isn't simple attempted murder, try to get this into your damn head, this is a whole different ball game. Police in america will shoot ANYONE that they see as a threat. It doesn't matter what crime you do. They didn't shoot him for capital punishment. Actually that's it you're too much, not even gonna bother with your stupidety any more.

 

 

 

detonators are stored in pockets/hands. push button, boom.

 

 

 

well done to the police for getting tough on them. we're finally beginning to show we're not afraid to fight back instead of living in fear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Surely he would've pressed it earlier then. And if the police can't de-arm the man in the time they pull him down, jump on him etc. they are bad coppers, their first and last resort was violence resulting in death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Omg -. try walking in a coppers shoes for a week before you guys judge. The policemen had to make a difficult choise : innocent lives vs a suicidebomber. Im getting tired of all the people who protects the criminals before the innocents...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That guy lost all his civil rights the second he strapped a bomb on him IMO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How2pk, what you are saying is you would rather put thousands of innocent peoples life at risk, and 90% that guy could have set that bomb off. He probally was seeing if the police were bluffing or not, we need to take action. Its a hella hard decision but when you take out 1 terrorist to save thousands, thats a good thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its known as "take one for the team". If the police waited any longer that guy could have pushed a detonator any second, and there lifes + others would be gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Police are taking action and showing that were not bluffing anymore, now we mean the real deal. Dont put innocent peoples lifes at risk or we will take your life, thats how i see it IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the terriost was the one who died, fairly sure he wasn't in their team :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, just for fun, i'm going to defend from how2pk's possition for a moment here. considering he's had some to drink :lol: (perhaps you would be a better arguer drunk?) so ahem...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what he is trying to say is from the report, they fired up close. in the time it takes to fire a gun they could have fully imobolized him, got the detenator away from him, and take him away. They could interogize him (which could be very, very helpful) and get hints on if there will be more attacks to come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I view it as, he is more of a use to us alive than dead. When he is dead, he can't tell us anything. Yes, shooting him down prevented anything from happening, but imobolizing him would do the exact same, with the added effect of getting possible info out of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there yah go, I defeneded dann :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just so you all know, i'm kind of torn on which side. Like I posted, I can see why he would be more useful dead than alive, but thinking about it from their perspective... if they didn't catch him in time, or imobolize fast enough, who could live with the guilt? yes yes, they'd probaly be dead, but if there is an afterlife i'm sure they would still feel the pain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, I belive that both actions, wether it be shooting him down or simply imobolizing him, would be good choices. They had probaly a few seconds to think what they would do. And i'm guessing it was a good choice, considering they saved many lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

would you look at that, defending two positions at once. wow i'm strange oO

 

 

 

 

detonators are stored in pockets/hands. push button, boom.

 

 

 

well done to the police for getting tough on them. we're finally beginning to show we're not afraid to fight back instead of living in fear

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Surely he would've pressed it earlier then. And if the police can't de-arm the man in the time they pull him down, jump on him etc. they are bad coppers, their first and last resort was violence resulting in death.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Omg -. try walking in a coppers shoes for a week before you guys judge. The policemen had to make a difficult choise : innocent lives vs a suicidebomber. Im getting tired of all the people who protects the criminals before the innocents...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That guy lost all his civil rights the second he strapped a bomb on him IMO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How2pk, what you are saying is you would rather put thousands of innocent peoples life at risk, and 90% that guy could have set that bomb off. He probally was seeing if the police were bluffing or not, we need to take action. Its a hella hard decision but when you take out 1 terrorist to save thousands, thats a good thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its known as "take one for the team". If the police waited any longer that guy could have pushed a detonator any second, and there lifes + others would be gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Police are taking action and showing that were not bluffing anymore, now we mean the real deal. Dont put innocent peoples lifes at risk or we will take your life, thats how i see it IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the terriost was the one who died, fairly sure he wasn't in their team :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, just for fun, i'm going to defend from how2pk's possition for a moment here. considering he's had some to drink :lol: (perhaps you would be a better arguer drunk?) so ahem...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what he is trying to say is from the report, they fired up close. in the time it takes to fire a gun they could have fully imobolized him, got the detenator away from him, and take him away. They could interogize him (which could be very, very helpful) and get hints on if there will be more attacks to come.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I view it as, he is more of a use to us alive than dead. When he is dead, he can't tell us anything. Yes, shooting him down prevented anything from happening, but imobolizing him would do the exact same, with the added effect of getting possible info out of him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

there yah go, I defeneded dann :P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

just so you all know, i'm kind of torn on which side. Like I posted, I can see why he would be more useful dead than alive, but thinking about it from their perspective... if they didn't catch him in time, or imobolize fast enough, who could live with the guilt? yes yes, they'd probaly be dead, but if there is an afterlife i'm sure they would still feel the pain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyways, I belive that both actions, wether it be shooting him down or simply imobolizing him, would be good choices. They had probaly a few seconds to think what they would do. And i'm guessing it was a good choice, considering they saved many lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

would you look at that, defending two positions at once. wow i'm strange oO

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From what i have heard Islamic extremeist terrorists (although i hate calling them that, it's an insult to the peaceful religion of Islam) give absolutely no information when they are caught, especially the highly trained ones. So what information we could of got out of him is probably very limited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to fire 5 shots in quick succession from an automatic pistol takes...about 3 seconds? Disarming and disabling a bomb (or whatever) on a live struggling man would take much longer.

I don't know if any of you read the news this morning or anything, but i saw this in The Sun (i know, not the best newspaper but facts are facts)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Last night police sources said the dead man was not armed or carrying explosives."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2004600000-2005330912,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just thought I'd mention this, as an observation, those who were saying that he should have been shot because he was carrying explosives, well, make your own mind up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

N.B. I still think they did the right thing, he could have had a bomb, and he did have close relations with the other bombers, we found vital documents on him, and can probably use his phone to aid us.

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats really discriminative, sure there are extremeists, but don't judge the entire religion on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And who is anyone to say that any other religion is wrong, a religion consists of beleifs, opinions, and everyone is entitled to them.

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

Well christians have probably killed the most people by millions over history. Also don't judge the majority on the minority.

 

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

Well christians have probably killed the most people by millions over history. Also don't judge the majority on the minority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats y i stated christianity as well in the mid-ages :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but yeah...got a bit carried away :oops:

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of Muslim people died in the 7/7 bombings and all the bombings in the past. They use Islam as some kind of excuse to justify their actions somehow. Something to do with the Qur'an being very much open to interpretation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just read today's article in The Times on it, apparently the officers involved were from the elite SFO unit (specialist firearms officers) and they are trained to use headshots when dealing with potential suicide bombers. And Scotland Yard's firearms unit is called SO19, not "something with a k in it" as i said earlier. :oops:

oh...and im not referring to all Islamics as terrorists either...im just stating that some will kill you if they find you in their homeland and u are not Muslim

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i believe their acts of terrorism are based upon their fight over Israel...not whether or not these countries are Muslim or not

 

 

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

Well christians have probably killed the most people by millions over history. Also don't judge the majority on the minority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats y i stated christianity as well in the mid-ages :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but yeah...got a bit carried away :oops:

Damn I gotta read peoples posts all the way through first.

 

 

peaceful religion of Islam

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah...so thats y they kill any1 who doesnt convert to their religion :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they are the same as the barbaric Catholics when they dominated every way of life in the mid-ages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of Muslim people died in the 7/7 bombings and all the bombings in the past. They use Islam as some kind of excuse to justify their actions somehow. Something to do with the Qur'an being very much open to interpretation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just read today's article in The Times on it, apparently the officers involved were from the elite SFO unit (specialist firearms officers) and they are trained to use headshots when dealing with potential suicide bombers. And Scotland Yard's firearms unit is called SO19, not "something with a k in it" as i said earlier. :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes they aim for the head for two reasons,

 

 

 

1. If they aim for the body it may trigger explosives.

 

 

 

2. It makes muscles go limp instantly, removing their last oppurtunity to detonate if they have a bomb.

 

 

 

Well i dont know about what your all saying, but its up to the regulations. I dont know about British cops, but here in Canada, if a cop takes the gun out of holster when uneeded, they are fired automaticly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the bomber didnt do anything did he? Sure he had a bomb and could of used it, but he didnt. Therefor this means that the cops used unesicary force to restrain him (definitly restrained now...). I doubt attempted murder is punishable with death, but perhaps by life in prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just to tell you all, no matter what, every living human being has right, even if they do something bad. Everyone has a right to live, even murderers

You're kidding right? No really "sure he had a bomb but he didn't use it" hahaha you're a joke and a half you are.

 

 

 

No actuly im being very serious. He didnt do anything. Really. Do people that get convicted of attepted murder get shot? No, but they do get to jail for along time. And it dosent matter if he tried to take the life of 1 or a thousand people, he still didnt commit the murder.

This isn't simple attempted murder, try to get this into your damn head, this is a whole different ball game. Police in america will shoot ANYONE that they see as a threat. It doesn't matter what crime you do. They didn't shoot him for capital punishment. Actually that's it you're too much, not even gonna bother with your stupidety any more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok lets have a setup hear. There are kids on the street who have these little cap guns that lool like real guns. Exactly like, except they are cap guns. They look like they pose a threat but they dont.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And im still being seriouse. I extreamly doubt that police in america would kill anyone they see as a threat. Perhaps after there is no, and i really mean no, other option. They did force the bomber to the ground, and they did therefor restrain him. No more action should of been taken in their part. Im really not defending the terriost, but ever since Karla Homolka, im tired of people who want to take away right when they still have them. The guy had the right to live, and no one should die. Perhaps More then life in prision would of suited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, is the Egyptian bombing have anything to do with the receant terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

Well i dont know about what your all saying, but its up to the regulations. I dont know about British cops, but here in Canada, if a cop takes the gun out of holster when uneeded, they are fired automaticly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the bomber didnt do anything did he? Sure he had a bomb and could of used it, but he didnt. Therefor this means that the cops used unesicary force to restrain him (definitly restrained now...). I doubt attempted murder is punishable with death, but perhaps by life in prison.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And just to tell you all, no matter what, every living human being has right, even if they do something bad. Everyone has a right to live, even murderers

You're kidding right? No really "sure he had a bomb but he didn't use it" hahaha you're a joke and a half you are.

 

 

 

No actuly im being very serious. He didnt do anything. Really. Do people that get convicted of attepted murder get shot? No, but they do get to jail for along time. And it dosent matter if he tried to take the life of 1 or a thousand people, he still didnt commit the murder.

This isn't simple attempted murder, try to get this into your damn head, this is a whole different ball game. Police in america will shoot ANYONE that they see as a threat. It doesn't matter what crime you do. They didn't shoot him for capital punishment. Actually that's it you're too much, not even gonna bother with your stupidety any more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok lets have a setup hear. There are kids on the street who have these little cap guns that lool like real guns. Exactly like, except they are cap guns. They look like they pose a threat but they dont.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And im still being seriouse. I extreamly doubt that police in america would kill anyone they see as a threat. Perhaps after there is no, and i really mean no, other option. They did force the bomber to the ground, and they did therefor restrain him. No more action should of been taken in their part. Im really not defending the terriost, but ever since Karla Homolka, im tired of people who want to take away right when they still have them. The guy had the right to live, and no one should die. Perhaps More then life in prision would of suited.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BTW, is the Egyptian bombing have anything to do with the receant terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no1 deserves to have life stripped away...of course thats the case...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

however...that is a risk that they could not take...what if we were right and he did detonate the bomb and hundreds of people were killed...what then? he has his own life stripped away plus hundreds with him....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what if we were wrong?...what if somehow we stopped him from detonating it and had him in custody free of harm?...thats all fine and great...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but the police did not know that they could stop him...and it was a risk that they took....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i will say this again...i value life...but whenever i see a serial killer, or sum1 that has been sexually immoral to a child, or any other person like that...i say give them their just reward....do to them what they did to other people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and u know whats more...it doesnt matter now...its over...wats done is done whether u agree or not

people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and u know whats more...it doesnt matter now...its over...wats done is done whether u agree or not

:P Wise words, cause its true, its done and over, no one is hurt (... one exception) and we dont have to worry... fo rthe time being.

 

people

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and u know whats more...it doesnt matter now...its over...wats done is done whether u agree or not

:P Wise words, cause its true, its done and over, no one is hurt (... one exception) and we dont have to worry... fo rthe time being.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the SFO officers involved were half as good shots as they are supposed to be then im pretty sure that he would have felt no pain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Magekillr is 100% correct. With terrorists you cannot take ANY chances. The guy who was shot sounded like an amateur, which are highly unpredictable and therefore dangerous. I value life above all else but so did the officers involved and that's why they shot him, because they valued the life of the people on the train and didn't want to gamble with them.

they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pushing someone to the floor, subduing them, and than shooting them, is known as murder in the united states....but of corse England has different laws.

 

they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pushing someone to the floor, subduing them, and than shooting them, is known as murder in the united states....but of corse England has different laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a different story when your dealing with potential suicide bombers that could kill hundreds of people if they aren't immobilised immediately.

It was an innocent person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1190065,00.html.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The police have apologised, but thats not alot of good really.