Dbzruler72 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Under the right conditions, leaders can turn sour. I, myself, have seen plenty of clan administrators abuse their ranks. Even today they still hold the position. The question is, how can a clan react and remove his or her from the position? *-P.K.M-* Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ts_Stormrage Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Do as I did... Start your own clan and let whoever agrees with you from the clan with the abusive leader join freely... If enough people switch sides it pretty much completely undermines the other clan... Former Leader of The Tal Shiar Alliance - An Original Tip.it ClanMember of the Wilderness Guardians and Founder of the Silent GuardiansFounder of The Conclave - A Tip.it Clan institutionTip.it Times author (click for all my articles) - When I use the wrong reasons to make the right statement, argue the reason, not the statement.MSSW4 General - Did we kick your ass too?Check us out!==> No seriously, if you like FREE GP, XP and Dung tokens, as well as Community, Opportunity and above all FUN... <==CLICK IT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Depends on the ammount of control they have. In bk, leadership is very much a shared thing. No one has anything near absolute power. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Stupid question, but can't you just remove their adminstrator rights? Or you can't? If there was only one, I would just start a revolution I guess. Try to undermine him, see what allies agree with me etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laikrob Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 In cases with several leaders it's often easier, but when there are only one or two... Yeah, that can be a tough one to crack. You can't just remove their administrator rights, unless you're the other leader. Even then, there's the chance the bad leader is root admin. The first course of action should always be to approach them in a professional manner, preferrably via PM, and present the case as non-attack-like as possible, but make sure they know that it's something that many members agree upon. There's always a chance they can change, and most deserve that. If nothing else, they deserve to step down with some dignity left. I have seen that happen, so we didn't have to go to the uncomfortable forceful removal steps. 1) Back up as much important forum info you can without admin access (rules, stickies, lists and so on) 2) Start up a new forum just in case, make the basics and have the members register with the new leader 3) Tell the leader collectively you are not satisfied with his work and that you want him to step down 4) Ask to keep the old forum, and that the new leader get the admin handed over 5a) If he agrees, be happy and keep forum, decide whether or not he can remain as member 5b) If he refuses, go to your new forum and "start over" without him Of course there are probably better ways to do it, but that was my suggestion. You're accusing me of bigotry, how ironic. It's a nice attempt at argument, but your responses are facile and asinine, if not diatribe. Who's arrogant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValaraZ Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Something like this is happening or happened with 3v0. Not sure what their current situation is but neither of the leaders (Miss Diggler and Torreoria X) gave up leadership so now there are 2 3v0's as far as i know both claiming to be the real one. The way it is handled in our clan is that members can post their opinion. Each one having a say and if the leader is anything to respect he will step down. We also freeze their admin rights during this vote to make sure he/she won't abuse it. Luckily we haven't had to resort to this lately. Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant: "If I live, I will kill you, If I Die, you are forgiven." Such is the Rule of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzock Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Something like this is happening or happened with 3v0. Not sure what their current situation is but neither of the leaders (Miss Diggler and Torreoria X) gave up leadership so now there are 2 3v0's as far as i know both claiming to be the real one. The way it is handled in our clan is that members can post their opinion. Each one having a say and if the leader is anything to respect he will step down. We also freeze their admin rights during this vote to make sure he/she won't abuse it. Luckily we haven't had to resort to this lately. *cough* heavenlyevil *cough* Proud Leader of the Corruption Clan. PM me to set up a fight or for any queries relating to my clan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Start a new clan or force the leader to leave/change their ways. With love to one, friendship to many, and good will to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValaraZ Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Something like this is happening or happened with 3v0. Not sure what their current situation is but neither of the leaders (Miss Diggler and Torreoria X) gave up leadership so now there are 2 3v0's as far as i know both claiming to be the real one. The way it is handled in our clan is that members can post their opinion. Each one having a say and if the leader is anything to respect he will step down. We also freeze their admin rights during this vote to make sure he/she won't abuse it. Luckily we haven't had to resort to this lately. *cough* heavenlyevil *cough* He stepped down voluntarily, even though some were talking about setting up a vote. Respect for knowing when time has come to step out and give others room to perform the best they can. :) Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant: "If I live, I will kill you, If I Die, you are forgiven." Such is the Rule of Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laikrob Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Start a new clan or force the leader to leave/change their ways. Starting a new clan is good and well if you're a medium clan, but what if you're Gladz, 'The', DI or a well-known clan that want to keep the name? How do you decide which is the "real deal"? You're accusing me of bigotry, how ironic. It's a nice attempt at argument, but your responses are facile and asinine, if not diatribe. Who's arrogant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamerr Posted January 20, 2009 Share Posted January 20, 2009 Start a new clan or force the leader to leave/change their ways. Sorry for the off topic - but do you really have to write in this color? Not only it hurt my eyes when I try to read it, I also have to highlight your texts everytime you post something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It depends on how much power they have. If they are the sole administrator with absolute power, you're out of luck with the forums. The only thing you can do in that situation is starting over with a new leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddo89 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 First hand experience I got. If is just an admin, it is easy. Root admin, not so. Basically, we wanted to get rid of the root admin. Answer: New forums. Templar Guardians, despite being a small close knit clan, used to have 4 leaders. Under special circumstances in the past, the root admin of the forums back then was not the founder of the clan. As time goes by, the root admin grew quite obnoxious and basically jeopardize the forums as such. Fortunately, we had been developing a new forum for a while and we basically switched the clan over when it was completed adequately via mass email and in-game contact. Root admin is now founder, who no longer plays RS hence there is less chance of friction. He will still take care of root admin stuff when needed. I found this procss quite satisfactory. Is stuff done behind the back and is not glorious stuff, but sometimes it has to be done. Of course, not every clan develops back up forum. The main thing is to endure, don't aggravate anything or give him any reason to ban/delete or quit. Some people suggest clan vote, perhaps work, but perhaps not. One thing is clear, no one will take decision well, and depending how they react may be even more problems. At the heat of the moment, they may do rash things, such as delete the forum. Which is basically the clan gone. You just can't build a website and advertise it to clan members fast enough. Most won't wait or know except the most loyal ones. It depends on the personality, but is a risk best untaken. Templar GuardiansWhen are trying to lend something, the word to use is borrow. Not barrows, which is a mini-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctus_Petrus Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Start a new clan or force the leader to leave/change their ways. Sorry for the off topic - but do you really have to write in this color? Not only it hurt my eyes when I try to read it, I also have to highlight your texts everytime you post something... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctus_Petrus Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If he is the main leader or founder there really isn't much you can do but leave and find another clan. That's what I did. After a year of XXXX leading WoF I decided to leave because he was just going coo coo flaming members and making people leave. So I joined Gladz. A month later when I heard that he left the clan to join TRWF I decided to rejoin. I've been in WoF ever since. Now, if you are talking about a secondary leader then you can try to convince the main leader to demote him or kick him. This won't happen unless you have a lot of people threatening to leave if it's not done. There is nothing more frightening to a leader than mass exodus :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 If he is the main leader or founder there really isn't much you can do but leave and find another clan. That's what I did. After a year of XXXX leading WoF I decided to leave because he was just going coo coo flaming members and making people leave. So I joined Gladz. A month later when I heard that he left the clan to join TRWF I decided to rejoin. I've been in WoF ever since. Now, if you are talking about a secondary leader then you can try to convince the main leader to demote him or kick him. This won't happen unless you have a lot of people threatening to leave if it's not done. There is nothing more frightening to a leader than mass exodus :P I love your use of the word "exodus" ;) "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_Fat1 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Start a new clan or force the leader to leave/change their ways. Sorry for the off topic - but do you really have to write in this color? Not only it hurt my eyes when I try to read it, I also have to highlight your texts everytime you post something... +1 Agreed Proud Warlord of DragonwoodIf it's natural to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how? ~ Joan Baez Rest in Peace 3xtermination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laikrob Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 I think the point is gotten across... Anyway, there really is a difference whether or not the clan is established or not. If the clan already has a big name, you don't just want to abandon the name and reputation you've built up for nearly a decade, do you? I mean, if the clan is a small/mid-sized not-so-well-known, the simple solution is to just start over, and trust me I'm not saying that smaller, mid-sized or short lived clans are worth less. Only trying to say that being established complicates it. You're accusing me of bigotry, how ironic. It's a nice attempt at argument, but your responses are facile and asinine, if not diatribe. Who's arrogant now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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