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Crushing and stabbing weps never used.


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My rant is about how useless crushing and stabbing weps are. Except for some monsters, everyone just uses slashing weps. even battleaxes and 2h swords rarely are used. jagex tried to solve this by making chain weak against stab and plate weak against crush but who ever uses chain????! And slash is effective on BOTH mage and ranged armor. Furthermore, crush weps are too slow to be used effectively and stab weps are just useless *points at dagger* lol.



Crushing weps should hit very high but are inaccurate and slow(but still effective on plate). Stabbing weps should be fast, with medium accuracy but lowish damage(still effective on chain). Slashing should be medium accuracy, speed and damage(but still effective on cloth and leather)However 2h swords and baxes sacrifice speed and a bit of accuracy for damage.



Change the weapons so their dps is different on different monsters that have different defences against different attack styles (e.g. waterfiends), but for a monster with equal defence against all their attack styles, the dps is the same. (btw dps=damage per second)



P.S. How can a quite heavy scimitar be as fast as a light dagger?



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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.

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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.
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Whoever uses anything but a scimmy\whip for PVP or training is stupid. Scimitar will outhit any other weapon of its class against ANY outfit. And yes, that should be fixed. The only people currently using them (see the above 2 posters) are people that don't know or haven't bothered testing them.
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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.




but i still use dagger because of the speed

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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.




but i still use dagger because of the speed


That's a terrible idea. Scimitar will outhit dagger 3 to 2 on any armor.
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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.




but i still use dagger because of the speed


That's a terrible idea. Scimitar will outhit dagger 3 to 2 on any armor.




but on no armour? iunno, i am a noob lol

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i think that the weapons are fine as they are now, maybe a little tweaking needed for warhammers, longswords and shortswords, but the rest are just fine. I see people in F2P training with Rune Scimys, Baxes, 2Hs, Longswords (not saying that theyre all good...) but I think the players are fine with how the weapons are.



Personally, I love to bring a Rune Dagger with me when Im in PvP Worlds (I only go F2P PvP, avoiding D Claws PJers as much as possible...) and they own when I find a person in a chainbody or if I no arm people.




Rune shortsword is better stab then dagger.




but i still use dagger because of the speed


That's a terrible idea. Scimitar will outhit dagger 3 to 2 on any armor.




but on no armour? iunno, i am a noob lol


No armor, armor, whatever. Scimmy takes all.
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My favorite weapon is the highest non-degrading stab item in the game, and the fastest powerful crush weapon in the game. I suppose that's use.



Of course, if you're talking about f2p, you're right. The scimitar's pretty much the only thing anyone uses... Not necessarily because if it's slashing attack but because it's fast and strong.

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I train with the obby weapons + void melee.

>_>



And if you happened to go to waterfiends, you'll see that only crush weapons are used.
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I train with the obby weapons + void melee.

>_>



And if you happened to go to waterfiends, you'll see that only crush weapons are used.


Waterfiends are the single exception (duly noted in the first post). Whip destroys obby weapons.
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apparently, they changed it form the transition to rs2 from rsc so that weapons would have speed, in the hope that more people would use the other weapons that were being ignored (everything except baxe and 2h). I never played rsc, I read it in an archive when I asked this question to someone who gave me a link. I don't have the link myself, but im pretty sure it was detailed in a 2004 update.



Instead, everyone uses the perfect balance of speed and power, schimmy, and ignores everything else.



The schimmy either needs to be nerfed somehow, or the other wepons need to get faster (in the case of weak ones) or stronger(in the case of slow ones) so that they can all generate decent melee exp. Also, the whip is too much of a juggernaut. It needs a decent competitor that can be acessed by an average player.
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I train with the obby weapons + void melee.

>_>



And if you happened to go to waterfiends, you'll see that only crush weapons are used.


Waterfiends are the single exception (duly noted in the first post). Whip destroys obby weapons.


Only use obby weapons when strength training and dont have a ss or want to use a shield.

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I train with the obby weapons + void melee.

>_>



And if you happened to go to waterfiends, you'll see that only crush weapons are used.


Waterfiends are the single exception (duly noted in the first post). Whip destroys obby weapons.


Only use obby weapons when strength training and dont have a ss or want to use a shield.


"don't want to use a shield"? :?
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I train with the obby weapons + void melee.

>_>



And if you happened to go to waterfiends, you'll see that only crush weapons are used.


Waterfiends are the single exception (duly noted in the first post). Whip destroys obby weapons.


Only use obby weapons when strength training and dont have a ss or want to use a shield.


"don't want to use a shield"? :?


Well obby knifes are 1h so if you use thoes you can use a shield.

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Whoever uses anything but a scimmy\whip for PVP or training is stupid. Scimitar will outhit any other weapon of its class against ANY outfit. And yes, that should be fixed. The only people currently using them (see the above 2 posters) are people that don't know or haven't bothered testing them.


Waterfiends. ;)

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Whoever uses anything but a scimmy\whip for PVP or training is stupid. Scimitar will outhit any other weapon of its class against ANY outfit. And yes, that should be fixed. The only people currently using them (see the above 2 posters) are people that don't know or haven't bothered testing them.


Waterfiends. ;)


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Whoever uses anything but a scimmy\whip for PVP or training is stupid. Scimitar will outhit any other weapon of its class against ANY outfit. And yes, that should be fixed. The only people currently using them (see the above 2 posters) are people that don't know or haven't bothered testing them.


Waterfiends. ;)


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apparently, they changed it form the transition to rs2 from rsc so that weapons would have speed, in the hope that more people would use the other weapons that were being ignored (everything except baxe and 2h). I never played rsc, I read it in an archive when I asked this question to someone who gave me a link. I don't have the link myself, but im pretty sure it was detailed in a 2004 update.



Instead, everyone uses the perfect balance of speed and power, schimmy, and ignores everything else.



The schimmy either needs to be nerfed somehow, or the other wepons need to get faster (in the case of weak ones) or stronger(in the case of slow ones) so that they can all generate decent melee exp. Also, the whip is too much of a juggernaut. It needs a decent competitor that can be acessed by an average player.




I believe scimitar will not be nerfed, and the specs of the current weapons will not be changed, unless there is a new RS release, like RS3. That is to say that Jagex will only add in weapons with different stats, to try and balance their game more. I think a weapon as fast as a whip, and as strong as a whip, but can train strength is needed. There needs to be some downside to this weapon though, it has to degrade, need sharpened, etc. Then the base will split between this weapon and the scimitar.

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apparently, they changed it form the transition to rs2 from rsc so that weapons would have speed, in the hope that more people would use the other weapons that were being ignored (everything except baxe and 2h). I never played rsc, I read it in an archive when I asked this question to someone who gave me a link. I don't have the link myself, but im pretty sure it was detailed in a 2004 update.



Instead, everyone uses the perfect balance of speed and power, schimmy, and ignores everything else.



The schimmy either needs to be nerfed somehow, or the other wepons need to get faster (in the case of weak ones) or stronger(in the case of slow ones) so that they can all generate decent melee exp. Also, the whip is too much of a juggernaut. It needs a decent competitor that can be acessed by an average player.




I believe scimitar will not be nerfed, and the specs of the current weapons will not be changed, unless there is a new RS release, like RS3. That is to say that Jagex will only add in weapons with different stats, to try and balance their game more. I think a weapon as fast as a whip, and as strong as a whip, but can train strength is needed. There needs to be some downside to this weapon though, it has to degrade, need sharpened, etc. Then the base will split between this weapon and the scimitar.

How bout a weapon as fast and strong as a whip, but incapable of training defense. It also hits crush instead of slash.

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