Sir_Kurity Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Whips superior in damage per second sure, but for KO's its not that great. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1reatalot Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 And you wear a platebody? Sure. Trust me; you'd see alot of hits with a dagger. Lol? Drag dagger vs. whip? Dagger will be out hit 2 to 1. Trust me, I have more PVP experience then you have overall RS playing time... By stab, you can use another variety of weapons, i.e obby weapons, and so on, not just dagger can stab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 By stab, you can use another variety of weapons, i.e obby weapons, and so on, not just dagger can stab. And ALL of those are vastly inferior to whip + defender. Your point? Whips superior in damage per second sure, but for KO's its not that great. So a dragon dagger has better KOs? Use a second speccing weapon like claws for KOs. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1reatalot Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 By stab, you can use another variety of weapons, i.e obby weapons, and so on, not just dagger can stab. And ALL of those are vastly inferior to whip + defender. Your point? I don't think obby weapons are that bad, specially with a berserker necklace, I hit very well on torsos, platebodies and mostly any other plate, I don't see why whip is a hell lot better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I don't think obby weapons are that bad, specially with a berserker necklace, I hit very well on torsos, platebodies and mostly any other plate, I don't see why whip is a hell lot better? Because it deals far more damage per minute. It out hits obby roughly 1.7 to 1. As you gain experience you will learn. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3hitm4g3u Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 By stab, you can use another variety of weapons, i.e obby weapons, and so on, not just dagger can stab. And ALL of those are vastly inferior to whip + defender. Your point? Whips superior in damage per second sure, but for KO's its not that great. So a dragon dagger has better KOs? Use a second speccing weapon like claws for KOs. Yes, a dragon dagger is better for KOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Yes, a dragon dagger is better for KOs. That's interesting. I never knew that. Perhaps you could explain why? Obviously we are discussing non specials, specials are a separate issue that have already been discussed as anyone who has followed the thread knows. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted February 27, 2009 Author Share Posted February 27, 2009 Drag dagger spec hits 2 times. D claws spec hits 3 times. Period. Back to topic, I know dragon dagger isnt the only weapon that can stab, but other stabbing weps are also as useless. I don't know about obby weapons but they seem to be quite weak based on their stats. BTW claws are slashing weapons... see my point? Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s1reatalot Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 BTW claws are slashing weapons... see my point? Yeah, I agree on this one, shoulden't they be stabbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDayRsDied Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 They should either use the Crush/slash/stab system for something, or remove it from the game. There is not a simmilar situation for mage or range. Disgruntled, Ignorant, Rude, Obnoxious, over-the-top, unreasonable Ex-PKerDrops: Abby Whips:13/ Black Mask: 38/ Dark Bow:3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted February 28, 2009 Author Share Posted February 28, 2009 exactly. Either they make the system more worth it, or thrash the thing totally. I mean, most mage spells would be crushing if there were such things, apart from slayer dart which probably would be stabbing. For range, almost everything would be stabbing, except for throwing axes which would be slashing. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 A sword will do lesser damage while slashing compared to a mace against heavily armored opponents. This is because a slashing sword is lighter than a mace, therefore it has lesser momentum because of its weight. Sure, slash owns crush if the opponent is not very prepared with heavy armor since it is faster and does more damage to the body. Stab is usually only for sneaky and fast attacks to vulnerable areas/when opponent is not alert because of its general fast speed. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyarcherX Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Stab weps are VERY useful for corp beast, same goes with crush weps for waterfiends :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 How rare are those monsters compared to the normal monsters that slash weps are the best for? Like 1:100 or more??? Of course, every weapon has a specific use(except for some crap like maces), but it depends on how common and advantageous that use is. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 BTW, a spear is a versatile weapon, but in real life, a versatile weapon can be EXTREMELY useful whereas in runescape, where crush and stab weapons suck, there's no point for a versatile weapon. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pureprayer Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? :| How did Romans wield shields with their spears OMG WTF HAX. Pureprayer, you're awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? Thats the stuff. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 I should rephrase that to their most used weapons or "general weapons". Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustPokemon Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? :| How did Romans wield shields with their spears OMG WTF HAX. I LOLed IRL at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 Don't be stupid. The spears are light and the soldiers are highly trained and very strong. Not like you could hold a spear even with 2 hands IRL. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 As you can see, warhammers/maces are supposed to be deadly against plate armored opponents whereas swords/battleaxes/other slashing weapons were technically useless against plate armor unless they hit a weak spot. This is totally not present in Runescape, even though the weapons sections in RS says that warhammers are "good" for crushing plated opponents. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(club) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hammer Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yea, an obvious fault. But armor is not damage reducing, only accuracy reducing, so you CANT make it do additional damage to plate armor compared to scimitar, only make it hit more. IF you can already hit properly, a warhammer will sadly never have an advantage. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmesh Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I think they should update the warhammer, hopefully that would make use of a crush option. :geek: Shout to LowFatMilk for the sig! Doin your body and sig good :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 The problem is plate armor having an extremely minor difference in stats in crush accuracy and slash accuacy. This should change totally. The slash/stab defence should increase greatly and the crush defence should reduce a lot. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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