compfreak847 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Why? Then the best crushing weapon reigns supreme in PVP. Period. Your having a difficult time with the fact that whatever weapon is best will always be used. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Why are we debating this anyway? havent we already established that RS isnt just all about PvP, that stab and crush weapons do INDEED have a use against various npc monsters in the game? Even in Pvp, it's fun switching things up a little, it's not like you're completely incapable of making kills if you DON'T use a sicmitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 24, 2009 Author Share Posted March 24, 2009 They indeed have a use against certain npc monsters, but how RARE are they??? And BTW, you can make the weapons equal in dps on a unarmored person, but having different dps on different kinds of armor types. Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniels911 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? Ok then lets remove everything better then steel like mithril, adamant, rune, barrows, etc. because it doesnt exist in real life....? Really games are not the same as real life. [/bads] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cacmypants Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 More proof: How come spears are crap if huge and famous empires like the Romans and Chinese infantry used them as basic weapons? Ok then lets remove everything better then steel like mithril, adamant, rune, barrows, etc. because it doesnt exist in real life....? Really games are not the same as real life. Why doesn't my POKEBALL work on my cat? :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Loads of people use sara swords in PVP, it has a better spec than whip =D. Though, its sort of more slashing than crushing =D. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Sara sword isn't common at all in PVP, and its special - to put it lightly - stinks badly. 9 extra damage, with a high miss rate, one time use? No thanks, I'll stick to my extra defence or attack bonuses from a shield and use a dd++ to dish out the KOs. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orioles8 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Speak for yourself. I find both the Dragon Dagger (p++), which is a stabbing weapon, and the Granite Maul, which is a crushing weapon, to be extremely useful in certain scenerios, specifically the reduction of the other player's HP to zero. *~72,749th to 99 Attack on 9 September 2009~* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Speak for yourself. I find both the Dragon Dagger (p++), which is a stabbing weapon, and the Granite Maul, which is a crushing weapon, to be extremely useful in certain scenerios, specifically the reduction of the other player's HP to zero. Both far less effective then other weapons. Yeah, I can kill people with a bronze two hander. Does that mean it's the best weapon out there? Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 You say yourself in another thread that whip, though a great weapon, can't really KO, dds, gmaul and stuff can, and yes, i see lots of sara swords in PVP, and I'm pretty sure its more than 9 extra damage. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 And I'm pretty sure it isn't. What's the average of 2 and 16? Spoiler: 9. Also, that's only if you hit - and you probably won't in PVP. 9 damage ONCE in a fight isn't likely to KO you - 40-40 dd++ specs are. G maul is terrible, and I DON'T see many sara swords. Where do you PVP? I've gotten well over 100 kills, including a DFH and other goodies, and I don't ever recall a successful PKer using a ss, outside of the first few weeks - or even in PK videos for that matter. Your sacrificing almost a quarter of your attack bonus, plus some defence, plus some strength for a potentially 8 higher hit once during a fight. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I fight around Varrock -.- Though, that was about a month back, anyway notice how i never said sara sword was strong, only that i saw quite a few of them, i said dds and gmaul were strong, though gmauls only really good in low level pking. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 And I'm saying that not only is it weak, NO PKers use it by now. Based on over a hundred hours from when PVP worlds came out to earlier today. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Ok, ok. Anyway, thats beside the point, its not even a crushing weapon -.-. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Simply responding to "Loads of people use sara swords in PVP, it has a better spec than whip =D. ", in that loads of people DON'T use it in PVP. Making sure you had your facts straight :P Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quelmotz Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 So, compfreak, you're actually supporting the fact that slashing weapons (aka ye olde whip and scimitar) are overpowered but you don't believe that they can be changed so stab/slash/crush weapons all have a specific use in certain situations? Click here for an awesome suggestion to revive smithing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Depends which arguement your talking about. From a "overpowered vs. underpowered" argument, yes, I believe that the power creep has gone too far and our high end weapons are overpowered. But from the slash vs. stab vs. crush argument, there's only going to be ONE best weapon. That happens to be whip at the moment, and if you make another weapon the best for a certain situation, it's going to be that way period. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I'm sure jagex could find a way (if you wanted to) to balance it out. But they seem fine with making crushing and stabbing weapons suck. Similar to the way they seem fine with making combat familiars suck. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Waiting to hear the brilliant way to balance them out. Every way has design flaws or is far too complex to be easily programmed. Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Why not make weaknesses count then? I mean on more than a handful of monsters that apparently nobody fights. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Make better stabbing and crushing weapons, and make weaknesses count, there are few monsters that seriously require a crushing or stabbing weapon. For example, dragons are SOPOSE to be weak to stab, but that makes no real difference dose it. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
compfreak847 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 For example, dragons are SOPOSE to be weak to stab, but that makes no real difference dose it. Actually, it dose. Leaf bladed spear is best for steel\mith, but no one kills them anyway and the few who do range :lol: Drops: 1x Draconic Visage, 56x Abyssal Whip, 5x Demon Head, D Drops: 37, Barrows Drops: 43, DK Drops: 29GWD drops: 14,000x Bars, 1x Armadyl Hilt, 2x Armadyl Skirt, 4x Sara Sword, 1x Saradomin Hilt, 8x Bandos Hilt, 8x Bandos Platebody, 9x Bandos Tassets, 4x Bandos Boots, 43x Godsword Shard, 82x Dragon BootsDry streak records: Saradomin 412 kills Bandos 988 kills Spirit Mages 633 kills - Slayer Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kurity Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I sort of meant the weaker dragons -.-. O.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadukar123 Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I sort of meant the weaker dragons -.-. Zamorakian Spear/Leaf bladed Sword works very well on weaker dragons as well, but if you have a Whip there really is no point in them. Except the Zamorakian Spear, it's better since it's stab is higher than Whip's slash, but using it is a lot ot hassle. Drops: Misc: Abyssal Whip x28 , Dark Bow x5, Beserker Ring x3, Warrior ring x1 Dragon: Dragon Platelegs x2 , Dragon Plateskirt x2, Dragon Boots x38, Dragon Med Helm x4, Shield left half x3 Godwars: Godsword shard x13, Bandos Hilt x3, Bandos Chestplate x6, Bandos Tassets x4, Bandos Boots x5, Saradomin Sword x1, Zamorakian Spear x1,. Armadyl Helm x2, Armadyl chestplate x2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 For example, dragons are SOPOSE to be weak to stab, but that makes no real difference dose it. Actually, it dose. Leaf bladed spear is best for steel\mith, but no one kills them anyway and the few who do range :lol: I'd think that's because most higher levels for whom it would be efficient to melee them have them blocked and only train with slayer. Most others are lower level slayers (up to 110) who probably don't know about the LBS, or are lower level visage hunters (my observation tends to show a lot of people around the 70-100 range just there for visages, I could be wrong though) If you're not on task, meleeing metals isn't too efficient. You don't have the mask boost and still have to use p-pots and antifires. If you're hunting for visages, it'd be best to keep costs down, with just antifires (cheap) and bolts (often cheap, reusable). I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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