Zierro everyone hates you.

I know, I know. You don't have to rub it in.

 

Because when you say they can't you're saying that they never can. No one said they will always be mature. He only said that they can.

 

 

 

Can't = impossible, can never do

 

Can = possible, can do at least once

 

But I wasn't simply referring to thinking things through in my response, so that's irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

The point of his post was to divide the two different types of maturity, hence the mentioning that there are several meanings for the word. If this wasn't what he meant, then mind telling me what else he implied by bringing up two different meanings?

 

His point wasn't to split them up, his point was to continue the discussion on the differences once the connection had been established.

But I wasn't simply referring to thinking things through in my response, so that's irrelevant.

 

 

 

But he was... He agreed with you about physical maturity and brought up thinking things through - a different kind of maturity. Then, going by chronological order, you disagreed.

 

 

 

His point wasn't to split them up, his point was to continue the discussion on the differences once the connection had been established.

 

 

 

You are just rewording things to make them sound different. It's the same thing. He brought up the kind that, like I showed you from Wiki, does not have to do with age.

 

But he was... He agreed with you about physical maturity and brought up thinking things though - a different kind. Then, going by chronological order, you disagreed.

 

 

You are just rewording things to make them sound different. It's the same thing. He brought up the kind that, like I showed you from Wiki, does not have to do with age.

 

He wasn't. Read through the previous posts; it was established that the two were related and tied to brain maturity.

He wasn't. Read through the previous posts; it was established that the two were related and tied to brain maturity.

 

 

 

So you're just gonna cherrypick and ignore my Wikipedia article that says that age doesn't have to do with psychological maturity (the one he's talking about), but you still go by your article that says age has to do with physical maturity (the one we're not talking about)?

 

 

 

Just answer me one question. Can kids act mature? (Same exact question as, "Can kids think carefully.")

 

So you're just gonna cherrypick and ignore my Wikipedia article that says that age doesn't have to do with psychological maturity (the one he's talking about), but you still go by your article that says age has to do with physical maturity (the one we're not talking about)?

 

 

Nope. Your wikipedia article says that maturity isn't dependent on age, not that it doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

 

 

 

Just answer me one question. Can kids act mature? (Same exact question as, "Can kids think carefully.")

 

Depends. Are you referring to brain development or responses that seem mature?

Why do you keep taking the same things, rewording them, and making them appear different? It's seriously getting annoying and making it impossible to even make any sense out of your posts. You did it twice in that post alone. Debating is used for discovering truth, not distorting it.

 

 

 

Nope. Your wikipedia article says that maturity isn't dependent on age, not that it doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

 

 

If it doesn't depend on it, then it doesn't have to do with it, in that context. Don't take things out of context like what you're accusing me of. They mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Depends. Are you referring to brain development or responses that seem mature?

 

 

 

Appropriate responses are the same as thinking carefully, in that context. Don't take things out of context like what you're accusing me of. They mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Let me show you another definition of mature:

 

 

 

-based on slow careful consideration

1.) "Thinking something out fully and carefully"

 

 

 

2.) "Responding in an appropriate manner"

 

 

 

These two statements are not synonymous. Many people all over the world think through complex situations fully and carefully and still fail to respond in the appropriate manner. My brother for instance has thought through fully and carefully all the health problems with smoking, as well as thinking about the fact that he could get kicked out of the school he is currently enrolled in for doing it. Despite 5 years in D.A.R.E. when he was in grade school (meaning he knows that smoking is not healthy) and the fact that it could end is college career, he still chooses to smoke. He thought it out fully and carefully, and responded in an inappropriate manner.

 

 

 

I could come up with a dozen more situations like this if you want me to.

 

 

 

Thinking something through does not make you mature, and responding appropriately doesn't make you mature, a combination of the two is a part of being mature. Thinking something through is a part of intelligence. Responding appropriately can be luck or a decision based on logic and reason.

 

 

 

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Just because a variable does not depend on the other doesn't mean that they are not related. It's called a correlation.

Jac, here is a link for mature.

 

 

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mature

 

 

 

Look at number 1.

 

 

 

Careful consideration = Mature = Thinking carefully

 

Responding appropriately = Mature

 

 

 

Webster: based on slow careful consideration

 

Wikipedia: Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner

 

 

 

Stop denying the true definitions!

 

Why do you keep taking the same things, rewording them, and making them appear different? It's seriously getting annoying and making it impossible to even make any sense out of your posts. You did it twice in that post alone. Debating is used for discovering truth, not distorting it.

 

I'm not distorting truth, I'm trying to find a way to keep responding to your continuous use of the exact same questions.

 

 

 

 

If it doesn't depend on it, then it doesn't have to do with it, in that context. Don't take things out of context like what you're accusing me of. They mean the same thing.

 

Again, not true. Just because something doesn't depend completely on it doesn't mean it has no relation to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Appropriate responses are the same as thinking carefully, in that context. Don't take things out of context like what you're accusing me of. They mean the same thing.

 

I go back to what I said earlier. A kid can be afraid of parents punishment (short term, hardly even applicable) or the long reaching health consequences 40 years down the road. One indicates maturity, one indicates a lack thereof - yet both have the same response. Responses are not the end all, be all indicators of thought processes.

Again, not true. Just because something doesn't depend completely on it doesn't mean it has no relation to it.

 

 

 

Whoa, where did you get "completely depend on" from? No one said that. Stop distorting. The article just says it isn't determined by age.

 

 

 

I go back to what I said earlier. A kid can be afraid of parents punishment (short term, hardly even applicable) or the long reaching health consequences 40 years down the road. One indicates maturity, one indicates a lack thereof - yet both have the same response. Responses are not the end all, be all indicators of thought processes.

 

 

 

Look at the Wikipedia and Webster definitions. They know what maturity is more than you think you do.

 

 

 

Webster: based on slow careful consideration

 

Wikipedia: Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner

Jac, here is a link for mature.

 

 

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mature

 

 

 

Look at number 1.

 

 

 

Careful consideration = Mature = Thinking carefully

 

Responding appropriately = Mature

 

 

 

Webster: based on slow careful consideration

 

Wikipedia: Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner

 

 

 

Stop denying the true definitions!

 

 

 

Two different kinds of maturity. Careful consideration is intellectual maturity, linked to brain development. The second is a maturity that comes with learning the appropriate actions that are a result of your logical reasoning. You can't say your reasoning and your actions are the same thing. Your reasoning causes your actions. It's like saying that reading sheet music is the same thing as the note you hear when you play it. You can easily misread the music, but press the right key out of luck and still produce a melody.

 

 

 

 

 

If it doesn't depend on it, then it doesn't have to do with it, in that context. Don't take things out of context like what you're accusing me of. They mean the same thing.

 

 

 

That is where I got my comment on variables.

No, they are not. Stop making up your own definitions and go by the book. If you fail to comply to simple logic, then what is the point of reasoning with you people at all? Stop denying what the dictionary says.

 

 

 

I could understand where you guys were coming from when things were cloudy and there were lots of misunderstandings. But now it seems like you guys are disagreeing just for the sake of it, as you're both denying what the dictionary says.

 

 

 

There are not millions of types of maturities! There are two: physical and psychological. Stop making new ones up out of the blue just to make it seem like you have an argument.

 

 

 

These are the psychological:

 

 

 

Webster: based on slow careful consideration

 

Wikipedia: Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner

No, they are not. Stop making up your own definitions and go by the book. If you fail to comply to simple logic, then what is the point of reasoning with you people at all? Stop denying what the dictionary says.

 

 

 

You talk about not responding to simple logic and yet you say that your thought processes are the same thing as your actions? What is the point of reasoning with you at all? I am not denying what the dictionary says, I read all of the definitions for maturity in your link and the one you specified me to look at can also be categorized as intellectual maturity.

 

 

 

Your webster's definition does not say that maturity is slow careful consideration, it says that it is based on that consideration, meaning it is an action.

No, they are not. Stop making up your own definitions and go by the book. If you fail to comply to simple logic, then what is the point of reasoning with you people at all? Stop denying what the dictionary says.

 

 

 

I could understand where you guys were coming from when things were cloudy and there were lots of misunderstandings. But now it seems like you guys are disagreeing just for the sake of it, as you're both denying what the dictionary says.

 

 

I'm completely agreeing with what the dictionary says. Perhaps you could get more specific on which part you think I disagree on.

 

 

 

 

There are not millions of types of maturities! There are two: physical and psychological. Stop making new ones up out of the blue just to make it seem like you have an argument.

 

Unfortunately for your argument, the two of them aren't completely separate unrelated categories.

You talk about not responding to simple logic and yet you say that your thought processes are the same thing as your actions? What is the point of reasoning with you at all? I am not denying what the dictionary says, I read all of the definitions for maturity in your link and the one you specified me to look at can also be categorized as intellectual maturity.

 

 

 

Read the whole paragraph:

 

 

 

Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner. This response is generally learned rather than instinctual, and is not determined by one's age. Maturity also encompasses being aware of the correct time and place to behave and knowing when to act in serious or non-serious ways.

 

 

 

See the end part? Ah! What do you know? Behaving (acting) and knowing (thought) what to do are both cases of psychological maturity!

My problem is not that they both are components of maturity, it is you saying that they are the same thing in and of themselves. And it does not say that both are pyschological maturity, it says that maturity is a psychological term that you can use to define two different things.

My problem is not that they both are components of maturity, it is you saying that they are the same thing in and of themselves.

 

 

 

No I'm not. Stop accusing me of things I never did when you yell at me for "accusing Comp of things he never did". That's complete hypocrisy.

 

 

 

And it does not say that both are pyschological maturity, it says that maturity is a psychological term that you can use to define two different things.

 

 

 

By saying this you agree with me. I don't know what drives you to pretend like you don't agree with me. :lol:

 

 

 

Read the whole paragraph:

 

 

 

Maturity is a psychological term used to indicate that a person responds to the circumstances or environment in an appropriate manner. This response is generally learned rather than instinctual, and is not determined by one's age. Maturity also encompasses being aware of the correct time and place to behave and knowing when to act in serious or non-serious ways.

 

 

 

See the end part? Ah! What do you know? Behaving (acting) and knowing (thought) what to do are both cases of psychological maturity!

 

Really! That's wonderful! Thanks for letting me know that! Except that I already agreed with and acknowledged that in the first place!

 

 

 

Now, how does that tie into the argument again?

Really! That's wonderful! Thanks for letting me know that! Except that I already agreed with and acknowledged that in the first place!

 

 

 

No, actually you said, "No, they can't" to "kids can behave and think mature".

 

 

 

Does denying what's right in front of your face really make you think you have any argument? This is a serious question. I want to know. Why do you contradict yourself so much? Why can't you admit one stupid little mistake?

Note: This is dragging out longer that I intended, so let's work together to clear it up. Teamwork gets things done - rivalries just distracts us by making us only care about hating on each other.

 

 

 

Not sure about 1. I would say they probably can't in most circumstances, but I haven't given it enough thought

 

 

 

As for 2, it depends on the circumstances. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Whether or not they do so is determined in part by their brains physical maturity.

 

 

 

They are the same. Thinking carefully and responding appropriately both mean the same as "doing the right thing" in simpler terms. If you don't think they have the capability to think carefully or respond appropriately, then you are saying they never do the right thing. This is not true. It is nearly impossible to always do the wrong thing (always be immature).

 

 

 

And like I said, it is supported by Wiki.

 

 

 

This is where you said that they are the same thing.

They are but not "in and of themselves". In the context of maturity, they mean the same thing.

 

 

 

Are you guys unconditional friends or something? Cause I'm seriously wondering 1. why you care 2. why you are making the same exact mistake he's making.

 

And it does not say that both are pyschological maturity, it says that maturity is a psychological term that you can use to define two different things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By saying this you agree with me. I don't know what drives you to pretend like you don't agree with me. :lol:

 

 

 

Saying that does not mean I agree with you, saying that two different things can be grouped under the same heading does not mean that they are the same thing.

Saying that does not mean I agree with you, saying that two different things can be grouped under the same heading does not mean that they are the same thing.

 

 

 

In the context we're talking about (psychological maturity), they are. They are both psychological maturity. Wikipedia points that out. Case closed.

 

 

 

For people who cry about taking things out of context, you sure do it a lot. Plus I didn't even take things out of context. Comp said 10-year-old's can't be sensible and can't think carefully (can't have psychological maturity). I disagreed with him, and now I'm getting bombarded by attempts to justify his bad logic.