Jernlov Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Progressive rock. Generally regarded as a genre of music that you dad likes. However, recently, I've been listening to more progressive stuff (in particular, Yes and King Crimson) and I love the genre. For me, no other genre can spark off the same sense of awe that progressive rock does. Now, if you're wondering what progressive rock is, I have a little chart: [hide=][/hide] Progressive rock originated in the 60s - its roots come from bands such as The Beatles and The Mothers of Invention. However, in 1969, King Crimson released the now widely-acclaimed In the Court of the Crimson King: An Observation by King Crimson - which is now regarded as the first progressive rock album ever. Also, in 1969, Yes released their self-titled debut. However, it is debatable whether that album is progressive rock or proto-prog. From 1969 to 1974, bands such as Genesis, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Van der Graaf Generator and the aforementioned King Crimson and Yes released a flurry of intriguing, enigmatic, pretentious and dynamic records that defined the genre. In my opinion, King Crimson started and ended prog rock with In the Court of the Crimson King in 1969 and Red in 1974. Also of note are the first 6 Yes albums and the first 3 Van der Graaf Generator albums. I find Genesis a little boring, but that shouldn't stop you from checking them out. Same with ELP. What I don't want to see in this thread: - Progressive metal (Dream Theater, Queensryche, etc) - Muse - Mathcore/Progressive metalcore (Between the Buried and Me, Dillinger Escape Plan, Disillusion) - Tool (not prog) This was intended for the discussion of progressive rock, not its heavier deviations and mislabelled bands. Discuss. Edit: Sorry about the chart - I use a wide resolution so I didn't notice it being potentially large for some users. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoonson Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Lets see... I have Rush,Genesis,ELP,King Crimson (And a King Crimson cover),of Montreal and Yes. Yup. so i herd u liek devarts?If you look at me and feel offended by my 666-ism,think.I could be just as offended by your "cross".[hide=This's why I'm hot]The Eleventh Commandment:Thou Shalst only say "Amen,brother".Amen, brother :lol:Amen, brudda (referring to the 10th commandment)amen Bruder! (german ftw)I'm invulnerable to everything, except Lenin and Dragoonson.That's impossible. I love people.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 According to that map, progressive rock is mostly what I listen to. Yes and Genesis have been a couple of my favorite bands ever, Jethro Tull is great when you feel like Southern'ing it up, and Rush, Kansas, Styx, and Asia are just ROCKING. Quite often. Thanks for the chart. I never really knew how to classify a lot of my music, I just thought of it as rock. Now I can get as complicated about it as metal :lol: catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Pink Floyd, Procol Harum, Rush, and Kansas, according to that chart... Should listen to King Crimson some time... I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 *Opens up google and starts looking up bands*. I don't really have much prog rock right now actually. I need to get some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSxqPowerx Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Ehh... way to much genre classifying for me. I like a lot of progressive bands... maybe not neccessarilly prog rock or the bands you mentioned though. Anyway... The Mars Volta probably fit in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 According to that map, progressive rock is mostly what I listen to. Yes and Genesis have been a couple of my favorite bands ever, Jethro Tull is great when you feel like Southern'ing it up, and Rush, Kansas, Styx, and Asia are just ROCKING. Quite often. Thanks for the chart. I never really knew how to classify a lot of my music, I just thought of it as rock. Now I can get as complicated about it as metal :lol:You're welcome. Most of those tiny little subdivisions are unnecessary (apart from symphonic prog, zeuhl and krautrock). It's cool that you listen to prog though (aren't you quite young? The world needs more young people enjoying prog) Speaking of zeuhl, you should all check out Koenjihyakkei - Angherr Shisspa and Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh. The latter is probably one of the most important prog albums of all time, but it's obscure and inaccessible due to the nonsensical nature of both the music and lyrics. That said, it's worth a listen. Koenjihyakkei is an amazing band - masters of Japanese avant-prog. @Sxq: Loads of bands are classified as progressive rock nowadays, but to me it all seems too structured to be prog. Porcupine Tree and Tool are good examples of this misclassifcation. I used to believe that Porcupine Tree was a progressive rock band - but they're more like modern rock that uses some metal elements and sometimes extended compositions. Same goes for Tool - alternative metal with some influences of progressive music, but they aren't a progressive band. The aforementioned Muse isn't prog either - Wikipedia has them labelled as new-prog, but seriously, Anglagard is new-prog (symphonic prog made after the 1970s) and Muse is a britpop band in my opinion. Also, Mars Volta is new-prog, so they count. In before angry Tool fans claiming that Tool is the most progressive and esoteric band ever. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champion Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I actually just did a 12 page research report about different genres of rock music. That chart would have been quite helpful, but it wasn't focused that much on Prog :P (I also interviewed the current drummer of Styx which is classified as Prog I guess.) Really I just listen to Art Rock and "Pomp Prog". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenticular_J Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Whoa, what was that report for, Pie? That sounds awesome. catch it now so you can like it before it went so mainstream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champion Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Whoa, what was that report for, Pie? That sounds awesome. Just our English class, actually. We had to do a somewhat big research report on nearly anything we wanted, but there were quite a few requirements for things we needed accomplished, like two interviews, 3 different sections of the paper with different elements, things like that. I just chose something I liked to make it tolerable. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azvareth Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Anglagard is new-prog (symphonic prog made after the 1970s) Haha wow, you listen to Änglagård? Kung Bore is such a fantastic song. Their CDs are basically impossible to get a hold of though... I think they just released a couple of hundred copies or something. A friend of mine is good friends with the bass player. I'm not very well-versed in what exactly constitutes prog rock, and it doesn't particularly interest me either - but according to that list I listen to quite a bit of it. Rush, Atomic Rooster, Camel, Van der Graaf Generator, Birth Control, Wishbone Ash (?) Roxy Music, Magnum, Fates Warning, The Mars Volta (they're prog, right?) and of course Porcupine Tree. I suppose Grand Funk Railroad is more funk hard-rock, but I'll mention them anyway. I tend not to obsess with genres much, though. Good job on the OP, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Adam Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Prog is my favorite : (and I'm 14) Although, I'll classify tons of stuff as prog, even if I'm sort of unsure, like Opeth (which I've only heard a few of) and An Endless Sporadic (answer me on those btw thanks) Dream Theater got me into it, but I had already loved Pink Floyd. Top 2 fav bands <-. I listen to Rush, DT, Pink Floyd, I've listened to the Court of the Crimson King (and I like it, but is Moonchild (I think) supposed to sound so empty?), Deep Purple (is prog, right?) etc. And I consider Tool (judged by Lateralus, the only album I have) to be prog-metal. There are so many prog bands out there :shock: it surprises me, because prog isn't really the same expansive genre as metal or rock. Maybe expand to all sorts of prog, rather than just prog rock... Btw, suggestions for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordanFreeman Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I've listened to the Court of the Crimson King (and I like it, but is Moonchild (I think) supposed to sound so empty?) It just depends on your own personal observations I guess, but I thought the exact opposite of Moonchild. To me it's like a little picture story playing in my head along with the music, so maybe that's what kind of "fills it in" for me. If I'm going to listen to King Crimson though, I'll sit/lay down and listen to this whole album. It's quite an experience, each time it seems like there's something new to it. I'd say that progressive is my favorite genre of rock, but lately I've been trying not to label the music I listen to so much as just listen to bands that I like. I'm a huge fan of Yes, Tales and Close to the Edge are a couple of albums I listen to on a daily basis, at least one song off of each probably. Lately I've fallen in love with Pink Floyd's Meddle. Fearless is my new favorite song of theirs, seems like such a powerful song. And Echoes, of course. I like quite a few of the others you've mentioned, like Jethro Tull, ELP, Moody Blues, Supertramp...and some others that weren't in there. I don't know if anyone's heard of Klaatu or Crack the Sky, but they're some really great bands that I'd consider "prog". I think Azvareth mentioned Wishbone Ash, Argus is just an amazing album any way you look at it...I'm not sure if that'd be put into the progressive category. But yea, it's all what I mainly listen to. "El que no arriesga no gana" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Anglagard is new-prog (symphonic prog made after the 1970s) Haha wow, you listen to Änglagård? Kung Bore is such a fantastic song. Their CDs are basically impossible to get a hold of though... I think they just released a couple of hundred copies or something. A friend of mine is good friends with the bass player. I'm not very well-versed in what exactly constitutes prog rock, and it doesn't particularly interest me either - but according to that list I listen to quite a bit of it. Rush, Atomic Rooster, Camel, Van der Graaf Generator, Birth Control, Wishbone Ash (?) Roxy Music, Magnum, Fates Warning, The Mars Volta (they're prog, right?) and of course Porcupine Tree. I suppose Grand Funk Railroad is more funk hard-rock, but I'll mention them anyway. I tend not to obsess with genres much, though. Good job on the OP, btw.Anglagard is an amazing band indeed. Probably one of my best discoveries in prog rock since I started listening to it last May. Yeah, can't say I've seen any CDs for sale anywhere but I do keep my eye out for things like that. It is pretty surprising when people realise the influences that prog bands draw from - and to tell you this, I don't think there is any real consititution for prog rock apart from a willingness for adventure and diversion from the norm of the verse-chorus. That's not to say that progressive bands can't have verse-chorus songs too: if it were to be all in one style, the 'progressive' element gets distorted and the listener loses sight due to the lack of variety, and variety in the music is what fascinates me most about progressive rock, and to a lesser extent, progressive metal. (However, progressive metal from my experiences is traditional metal structures combined into extended compositions rather than music that gives you food for thought. The trouble with many prog metal bands is that they don't really let you wander off into your own meanings of the music.) And as for the OP - I was getting a bit tired of the lacklustre threads really. Prog is my favorite : (and I'm 14) Although, I'll classify tons of stuff as prog, even if I'm sort of unsure, like Opeth (which I've only heard a few of) and An Endless Sporadic (answer me on those btw thanks) Dream Theater got me into it, but I had already loved Pink Floyd. Top 2 fav bands <-. I listen to Rush, DT, Pink Floyd, I've listened to the Court of the Crimson King (and I like it, but is Moonchild (I think) supposed to sound so empty?), Deep Purple (is prog, right?) etc. And I consider Tool (judged by Lateralus, the only album I have) to be prog-metal. There are so many prog bands out there :shock: it surprises me, because prog isn't really the same expansive genre as metal or rock. Maybe expand to all sorts of prog, rather than just prog rock... Btw, suggestions for me?1. Opeth was progressive death metal in their early days, and now they're progressive metal with a huge influence from the 70s British prog movement. An Endless Sporadic reminds me of Liquid Tension Experiment, so they are a progressive band. 2. Good that you liked Courts. Moonchild is my favourite from that album actually, and I don't really think it sounds empty. 3. Progressive rock isn't really rock at all. It's nowhere near as defined its younger brother, progressive metal. The 'rock' part is simply there because 'progressive' on its own is meaningless. It's called rock because it uses rock instrumentation but it goes beyond what we know rock to be. When I think of progressive rock I tend to think of elaborate soundscapes rather than power chords, if you get what I mean. 4. I would suggest you listen to all the King Crimson albums up to 1974, and then get Discipline by them. Discipline is a foray into beautiful, relaxing, guitar-driven soft rock. Matte Kudasai [see here] is an absolutely beautiful song. Also, get Tales From Topographic Oceans, Close to the Edge and Fragile by Yes. Tales is probably my most favourite album ever; some call it self-indulgent [bleep]ery but I call it a masterpiece. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'd definitely call some of Tool's newer material prog rock/metal (just listen to a song like "The Patient") and I'd even go so far as to call some Porcupine Tree songs prog rock as well. Anesthetize is a good example of a prog-rock Porcupine Tree song. Having said that, I'm not that well versed in the majority of the bands on that chart and I'd expect many of them to be more progressive than Tool or Porcupine Tree. From the chart, I have heard some Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Yes, Rush and a few others. Of those, I probably like Pink Floyd the best, having a few of their albums. I definitely need to look into a few of these bands more. Any recommendations for a good King Crimson album other than In the Court of the Crimson King? Edit: Checking out King Crimson's Red. Excellent so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Adam Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I've listened to the Court of the Crimson King (and I like it, but is Moonchild (I think) supposed to sound so empty?) It just depends on your own personal observations I guess, but I thought the exact opposite of Moonchild. To me it's like a little picture story playing in my head along with the music, so maybe that's what kind of "fills it in" for me. If I'm going to listen to King Crimson though, I'll sit/lay down and listen to this whole album. It's quite an experience, each time it seems like there's something new to it. Ah, I guess it's cuz I listen to it on my computer, so I'm usually doing something else too rather than just taking it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 I definitely need to look into a few of these bands more. Any recommendations for a good King Crimson album other than In the Court of the Crimson King?Larks' Tongues in Aspic is amazing. I fanboy Discipline quite a lot too. Oh, and some Porcupine Tree is prog-influenced but the majority of it is modern rock. In my opinion: really overrated, but still decent. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megakiller32 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Where did you get that cool looking graph from? :shock: Anyway. My mum has alot of progressive rock on vinyl. I don't like it too much, but Electric Light Orchestra are fairly good. Quit Runescape 30th May 2006.Thanks to Hawkxs for my signature :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordanFreeman Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I gave Anglagard a listen, and I really like it. Very reminiscent of Yes. The melodies are great, seem like they're really talented musicians. Can you download their MP3's from anywhere? "El que no arriesga no gana" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadril Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Well I gave King Crimson a listen. :thumbup: I'll be checking out more prog rock in the next few days I think. :) This is a lot better than the mindless [bleep]ery of a lot of progressive metal bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Porcupine is faux prog, so they aren't really classified as prog, although they're similar to the genre. Nevertheless they are a great band with a great headman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erk02 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Whoever just classified Deep Purple as prog just totally blew my mind. Anyways, one of the best things I own is the King Crimson discography; I could listen to it for so long. I do English to Japanese and Japanese to English translation for free! Just keep it under 5 sentences, and PM me to use my fluency in Japanese to your advantage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Adam Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Whoever just classified Deep Purple as prog just totally blew my mind. Anyways, one of the best things I own is the King Crimson discography; I could listen to it for so long. I had heard Deep Purple was prog, I forget where. I have the Machine Head album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
How2PK Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 Van Der Graaf Generator. H to He, Who Am the Only One The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other is good stuff, I haven't heard anything else. I think. There's a really cool Dutch progressive rock group as well, they're called Supersister. They are kind of obscure, I found them trough the soundtrack of the Ian Curtis movie Control. They are from the late sixties. Here's a clip of a live preformance. They play She Was Naked (the song from Control). Good stuff. [yt]3Zn-xIx9EFQ[/yt] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn-xIx9EFQ The albums Present for Nancy and To the Highest Bidder are worth checking out. :) Saw some King Crimson records recommended. Larks' Tongues is very good, but I was missing the King Crimson classic Red! I'm not really very well known with the genre. It gets a bit tedious after a while. But something by Van Der Graaf Generator or King Crimson once a month isn't bad. And I've got a strong love for Rock Bottom by Robert Wyatt. Come on boys, impress your father and take this record home from your local record store. :thumbup: Signature by Maurice SendakWhen the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool, that's amore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jernlov Posted March 25, 2009 Author Share Posted March 25, 2009 Thanks for that How2, I'll check them out. Steam | Soup | Last.fm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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