insane Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Just the fact that I can do whatever I want without any "upper creature" stopping me makes it more obvious that there is no god! Ever heard of free will? Just watch all the stupid things that happen everyday: religious murders, terrorism, men that kill their wives and children coz they suffer a depression, American soldiers torturing Iraqi civilians, nature disasters, gangfights, drug victims, drunk drivers that kill others, people who kill for fun, students who kill their schoolmates and teachers, etc etc etc... If there is a god, he must be a freaking sadist if you ask me! Ever heard of free will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssalreaper Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 no disrespect but that what i put in the post before yours oh well maybe he will understand it if 2 people tell him oh and i havea a question i belive adam and eve existed but i also belive dinosaurs existed. Those two theories clash dramaticaly because of it being written in teh bible the earth was created in 7 days. The only solution to this clash i can think of is if those days were not human days but god days which for all we know could of been an eon ( a trillion years not quite sure but its above abillion i know that) does anyone agree or have there own theories? p.s. srry for thread hi jacking Proud Acolyte of the Ooc Cmon Steve you can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 no disrespect but that what i put in the post before yours oh well maybe he will understand it if 2 people tell him oh and i havea a question i belive adam and eve existed but i also belive dinosaurs existed. Those two theories clash dramaticaly because of it being written in teh bible the earth was created in 7 days. The only solution to this clash i can think of is if those days were not human days but god days which for all we know could of been an eon ( a trillion years not quite sure but its above abillion i know that) does anyone agree or have there own theories? p.s. srry for thread hi jacking http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevester77 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 I belive that all of our lives are a test that will determine what happens with our soul God gave us freee will and 1. its up to us to decide to use that to our advantage in a good way or a bad way when Armagedon happesn those who used there free will to live a good life will go to heavan while 2. the rest have to suffer through the Rapture but hey thats how ilook at it if udont want to belive in God even though u ur self is proof of his existence fine. 1. Salvation through faith not works. 2. The rapture is when believers are taken to heaven in an instant and will (what most scholars believe), prelude the tribulation. There is no suffering in the rapture. Just here to clarify some things.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssalreaper Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me ididnt know iwas giving false information edit: and thanks runesmithie for the link it helped me clear things up Proud Acolyte of the Ooc Cmon Steve you can do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_By_Pod Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Wasn't Michael Behe's book more about disproving evolution's certainty using irreducible complexity than about his belief in a Christian God? Seems like a straw man to me. Yes but when Behe's books replaced the words creationism with intelligent design and creationist with intelligent design proponent shows his intentions. The fact the word creationism appeared in any form of his writing shows something fishy going on and the words are interchangeable in Behe's mind. Here is an article http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8061 you can find more info and the transcript by googling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me ididnt know iwas giving false information edit: and thanks runesmithie for the link it helped me clear things up Do you ever plan on learning to type?....any day now.... Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralinre Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Forgive me for not understanding, but if the universe is isotropic, then how come our laws of physics wouldn't work in some areas of space? If they apply to one section of space, wouldn't they apply to them all? You mentioned background radiation - how long have we had the tools to detect that? Imagine if we didn't have the tools to detect it, but we explored a significantly large area of space with the tools we did have. We wouldn't detect the background radiation, but that wouldn't disprove it's existence. We may have explored all the space, but we didn't explore every level of existence. You misunderstood me; the first paragraph was me rambling on about what I would like to imagine, not what the case actually is. As it is, the universe is apparently isotropic and it would be safe to assume the laws of physics is indeed the same everywhere. Also the whole discussion is hypothetical, obviously a pre-requisite for knowing if god exists is a device to actually measure god. Whole sections of science (such as statistics, astronomy, physics, mathematical induction etc) all go on the assumption of an isotropic situation and my question was why god detection couldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be any different. Ok, that's for clarifying. I basically agree with you then - in that case, it would be possible to disprove God's existence. oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me ididnt know iwas giving false information edit: and thanks runesmithie for the link it helped me clear things up Do you ever plan on learning to type?....any day now.... I already sent him a PM warning him about that and linking him to Rick's grammar guide. ;) "In so far as I am Man I am the chief of creatures. In so far as I am a man I am the chief of sinners." - G.K. Chesterton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yummy_kids Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 If you belive god made man in the image of himself, and all the bible stories you're an idiot. Sorry but it's true. :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 If you belive god made man in the image of himself, and all the bible stories you're an idiot. Sorry but it's true. :? If you believe the earth is round you're an idiot... Might want to back up your statements ;) I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 If you belive god made man in the image of himself, and all the bible stories you're an idiot. Sorry but it's true. :? Leave now.... This is ridiculously rude and offensive. Please explain to me how I am an idiot, because I would really like to know. ...although...I'm sure everything you say will be handed back to you with a full response of how I am not an idiot, and how my beliefs are not idiotic. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 Wasn't Michael Behe's book more about disproving evolution's certainty using irreducible complexity than about his belief in a Christian God? Seems like a straw man to me. Yes but when Behe's books replaced the words creationism with intelligent design and creationist with intelligent design proponent shows his intentions. The fact the word creationism appeared in any form of his writing shows something fishy going on and the words are interchangeable in Behe's mind. Here is an article http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8061 you can find more info and the transcript by googling. That article doesn't mention Behe or Darwin's black box. Can intentions really fallacize logic? I fail to see how Behe using creationism and ID interchangably (which isn't even said in the article) would void the logic he uses to prove irreducible complexity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yummy_kids Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 If you belive god made man in the image of himself, and all the bible stories you're an idiot. Sorry but it's true. :? Leave now.... This is ridiculously rude and offensive. Please explain to me how I am an idiot, because I would really like to know. ...although...I'm sure everything you say will be handed back to you with a full response of how I am not an idiot, and how my beliefs are not idiotic. Because it's true, if you think the world was flooded or angles destroyed some cities you're an idiot. It was just people who had no science trying to not be scared of natural stuff. read this for some agruments about god. Now you will say well there are no arguments about my evolution in that. Fine lets say there is a god who created the universe. There is still no afterlife because of the clear logical arguments. You're just afriad to die and not exist anymore you would waste your time studying a relgion and making your brain so messed up with idiotic views your life is worthless. Oh btw, i'm not one of those lame athiests that try and ruin people who belive in a gods time by taking the word god out of everything. I just like making stupid arguments. I also don't try n spread atheism i just argue back with people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pur304 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yummy_kids Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pur304 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. :roll: Go to the eye hospital then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Yes, but if Hinduism is right they both become pigs in their next life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pur304 Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Do they believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Scratch that. Buddists have the caste system with the social tier structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Thats the worst reason to become religious i ever heard. Its laughable. Imagine betting all your money (life) on a horse (christianity). What if it loses? Its your entire fortune (life) wasted away for nothing. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Thats the worst reason to become religious i ever heard. Its laughable. Imagine betting all your money (life) on a horse (christianity). What if it loses? Its your entire fortune (life) wasted away for nothing. That's a bad analogy, because I've experience so much fullness and satisfaction in my life as a result of my relationship with Christ, be it a figment of my imagination or not. And the end of my life, if this turns out to be false (which I am sure won't happen), I don't think I'd have any regrets tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Thats the worst reason to become religious i ever heard. Its laughable. Imagine betting all your money (life) on a horse (christianity). What if it loses? Its your entire fortune (life) wasted away for nothing. That's a bad analogy, because I've experience so much fullness and satisfaction in my life as a result of my relationship with Christ, be it a figment of my imagination or not. And the end of my life, if this turns out to be false (which I am sure won't happen), I don't think I'd have any regrets tbh. Yeah...exactly how I feel. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GhostRanger Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Thats the worst reason to become religious i ever heard. Its laughable. Imagine betting all your money (life) on a horse (christianity). What if it loses? Its your entire fortune (life) wasted away for nothing. Well then properly using your analogy...being an athiest would be like betting on a horse that you are 100% certain will not win. You're living your life knowing that even if one religion is real, you don't have a shot at winning at all. Seems worse to me... I don't feel like I miss out on much being a Christian either so don't try that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runesmithie Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Its probably been said before on this topic, but Christianity isnt a "religion". It's a relationship with God. And another thing, from a philosophical view its bets to be a christian. Say there were 2 people, an athiest and a christian. They both die and the atheist is right. Neither suffer damnation or experience Heaven. But if the christian was right, he gets to stay in Heaven and the atheist suffers. Thats the worst reason to become religious i ever heard. Its laughable. Imagine betting all your money (life) on a horse (christianity). What if it loses? Its your entire fortune (life) wasted away for nothing. Well then properly using your analogy...being an athiest would be like betting on a horse that you are 100% certain will not win. You're living your life knowing that even if one religion is real, you don't have a shot at winning at all. Seems worse to me... I don't feel like I miss out on much being a Christian either so don't try that one. Seems to me more like betting on the horse that won't win unless all the others die :P I just posted something! ^_^ to the terrorist...er... kirbybeam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOV Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 I have my faith but I have never wanted it delivered to me through any form of organized religion. I know the price. I pay it gladly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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