I_Alliance

[obfuscator]

Fine so you wanna keep your loot, is it worth destroying an entire clan over?

 

 

 

And do you really think that NH clans will end when Dk, Vr, and Zh are gone? Somebody else will just step up and fill their place.

 

 

 

I don't think Zh DK or Vr specially Vr are going anywhere Today Vr is the strongest clan no one gives them week prep fights they know what will happen.

 

 

 

The "IA" is made for all the noobs who cant go out pvp with there clans and Flame NH clans on Fan site forums for runescape. they get chance all them to go hop in with big clans to fight them off, I don't think IA will last long.

 

 

 

 

 

Well argument can go both ways Its either You like NH tactics Or you Don't.

 

 

 

I don't really think thats fair. I agree that NH isn't going anywhere despite anyone's best efforts but it seems to me that all NH is doing at the moment is flaming IA because they can't keep up. IA isn't made of noobs at all, many many members pvp regularly with their clans.

[Kimberly]

My clan doesn't pvp regularly, but I'd hardly consider myself a noob. :roll:

 

 

 

I'm sure both philosophies have their own little handfuls of noobs, though, if that's what you're driving at.

[obfuscator]

My clan doesn't pvp regularly, but I'd hardly consider myself a noob. :roll:

 

 

 

I'm sure both philosophies have their own little handfuls of noobs, though, if that's what you're driving at.

 

Well what he is driving at is that IA is comprised of people who can't pvp with their main clans because their main clans aren't strong enough. That isn't exactly true.

[generaldesor]

With some alliance members it is, but I would say is more the people that already pk /pkri /war with their clans,they just wanna stop DK from crashing fights.

 

 

 

And remember how looting adds some spice and adds more taste and quality to pvp wars, not because of the cash in items or the rune, but beacause you loot the food, so if ur getting sniped and ur getting low of food if u kill someone u can take on their food and survive longer. You cant get this in CWA.

[Kimberly]

...but beacause you loot the food, so if ur getting sniped and ur getting low of food if u kill someone u can take on their food and survive longer. You cant get this in CWA.

 

 

 

That's actually wrong. If you fight in dangerous mode in CWA, food can be looted.

 

 

 

In such matches, you may be able to collect some of your defeated foes' items - food, potions, runes and other ammunition - assuming you can use them in the current battle (so you can't pick up food if its use has been disabled, for instance). Any such drops will affect your trade limit, as well as your victim's trade limit.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... ing_to_war

 

 

 

Read more here.

 

 

 

So again, I really don't see the hangup with CWA :s

[obfuscator]

...but beacause you loot the food, so if ur getting sniped and ur getting low of food if u kill someone u can take on their food and survive longer. You cant get this in CWA.

 

 

 

That's actually wrong. If you fight in dangerous mode in CWA, food can be looted.

 

 

 

In such matches, you may be able to collect some of your defeated foes' items - food, potions, runes and other ammunition - assuming you can use them in the current battle (so you can't pick up food if its use has been disabled, for instance). Any such drops will affect your trade limit, as well as your victim's trade limit.

 

 

 

http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... ing_to_war

 

 

 

Read more here.

 

 

 

So again, I really don't see the hangup with CWA :s

 

 

 

Well, a few things.

 

 

 

1) Returning. It's infinitely faster in a cwa fight, regardless of safe or not. If you can return too fast, it makes pkris boring.

 

2) Loot. It isn't just about food. You want the other clan to suffer when you are beating them, and they suffer by losing rune. At the same time, it benefits no one to lose rune when it can't be looted.

 

3) Thrill. Pvp worlds are thrilling. As much as we say we despise crashing, it is an integral part of the pvp experience and I think that many like the possibility that anything can happen.

 

4) Tradition. Old schoolers remember the wars of the old wilderness, and pvp comes fairly close.

[123456789why]

First off: keep it on topic. If you've got issues with another clan, go talk to them about it in private. This thread--this forum--is not the place to carry out petty arguments.

 

 

 

IA IS nothing with out top clans helping them with full force like Divine Forces full mass up and Eos And more people from other clans so its like DK vs Clan world.

 

 

 

Well that's the whole idea behind an alliance isn't it? That argument isn't really...a negative one. In fact, I think it's a good thing that big clans, who are normally at eachothers throats, are working together in this.

 

 

 

And in the meantime, people from smaller clans are getting vaulable experience while still helping the cause. It's a win-win in my book, unless you're NH to begin with.

 

 

 

Will IA last forever? Of course not. But while they're at it, you can go and have fun wiping out people who destroy legitimate fights, who sacrifice the community's enjoyment for their own selfish needs.

 

 

 

Well its just a game i don't see Crashing being NH at all first of all i don't even believe in NH Bs its a game some people find crashing being fun some don't.

 

 

 

yes its great experience for little clans to go out and team with others on a clan but thing is that when ever try go have PVp war Dk will be right there to crash them , just watch At TRWF , TR , RE , Nbk when there Next pvp war will be Im positive it will be crashed .

 

 

 

Well Im Vr retired Member If you were wondering :D

 

 

 

Good luck clans who is Helping IA :

 

It's just a game but the fact that it's online doesn't change anything, there are humans playing the game who you are required as a member of civilised society to show a decent level of respect to. I'm quite sure that if I was playing football with with some friends you wouldn't run in with a couple of buddies, steal our ball, beat a few of us up and then run off laughing. There are people who do act like that in real life, but they are social outcasts who not only are viewed highly negatively but are deemed officially unacceptable by society and are punished by criminal law.

 

 

 

Runescape is governed by the same principles: crashing fights is conciously and willingly ruining the fun of others for your own enjoyment and possibly (virtual) financial gain. There is no police in runescape, jagex do ban people but only for the most serious of offenses and even then a large number of rule breakers get away unpunished. Independant Alliance, however, is a kind of vigilante force doing the work of online-police, standing up for those who have had their fun ruined by clans like Dk, Zh and VR and preventing them from doing any more damage to the community.

 

 

 

Whether you believe in calling something 'honour' or 'no honour' is basically irrelevant. You can name it what you want or not name it at all, but that basic level of respect which we each require from another person in order to respect them back is lacking when you crash fights, and that is what I could call 'honour' on runescape. Crashing fights for your own selfish needs, as ninane accurately put it, is a total lack of honour. Jagex themselves agree on this terminology when they renamed their offenses towards other players 'honour offenses' in the new report system in-game.

 

 

 

I think you are probably right that DK will try to fight back by crashing the members of IA even more, recognising that they aren't strong enough to take on the entire alliance and so instead targetting individual member clans. However, the alliance is comprised not only of smaller level clans but also the very top of the clan world such as Divine Forces, Damage Inc, Echo of Silence and even my own clan Corruption joined officially a few days ago. Dk may have grown in numbers from their recent merge but they haven't truly grown stronger as their joining with Vr and ZH was already happening.

 

 

 

No clan will accept a fight with DK, they are riddled with spies, their members are inexperienced and their leadership is sub par. All they can do and all they will do is attempt to crash fights, and while they may succeed every now and then in disrupting a fight this will grow more and more infrequent as IA strengthens. DK has closed/reopened/merged several times already in its short history and I forsee this being forced again very soon. At every fight I've been to with IA, the no honour clans have been pushed from the fight in under 10 minutes. The attention they are getting might feel great, a lot of people have such messed up heads that even the negative attention online feels good to them, but I'm sure it's just a matter of time until it gets very very boring indeed to go out, fail in your goals and die every single day.

 

 

 

Thanks for the wishes of luck but we don't need it :) we have right on our side.

 

Enzock Said it all.

 

Show some respect like you would in real life. i'm sure you won't go up to a random person a beat them up, unless you're mental which is how i see NH clan, Disrespectful Mentals. Thats all there is to say.

 

 

 

i'm sure all of the thrill is in the preparation/war not the crashing of a NH clan. All i'm here to say is that there are People in this world we all live in that are disrespectful and that is a fact, online-wise i am glad that some had the idea to fight back, make an alliance to rid the Clan world of Disrespectful people like NH. For sure IA won't last forever but it will sure Benefit us all by having Clean wars without DK, VR, or ZH crashing. we all Deserve a little respect and IA is helping all of the clan world get it.

 

 

 

And BTW, Enzock Just Verbally KO'ed all the clan in NH. So just soemthign from me: GF.

[sparze]

Like Beck said.

 

 

 

You don't want to be crashed Use CW its Safe , you want to have the Fun and action in Pvp then you should also Take Chances.

 

 

 

Your clan members are not special Its wildy its Made To KILL WHO YOU WANT. I use to be in Non NH clan i'm not going to Name it, and when we went out For Pvp with like 150 ops we saw clan fighting each other with like 100 ops each , and Leader was like O "NO" its planned... I'm like wtf.. who cares we went out for PKri for having fun waisted all this time and cant even fight because its "planned". Thats why i like NH Better they Simply Don't care they go out for Pkri they don't care who you are they will hit your war or planned war.

 

 

 

And we must all Remember its just a GAME Have Fun while you Play it :

[123456789why]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

[sparze]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

 

 

 

Im sure there is no clan that pulls 100 + people and is not on top clans and top clans do pvp fights only well at least 95% of time

[safescott]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

 

 

 

No offence to any Gladz members, but I am pretty sure they are not the most active clan in the clan world and I don't think they've pulled 80+ to a Cwa war in a while.

[mrmyk]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

 

 

 

No offence to any Gladz members, but I am pretty sure they are not the most active clan in the clan world and I don't think they've pulled 80+ to a Cwa war in a while.

 

Nope, we haven't. We pulled ~85 against GK for the Jagex Cup, though, but that was 2 (?) months ago.

[generaldesor]

 

And we must all Remember its just a GAME Have Fun while you Play it :

 

 

 

not if that means ruining the fun of someone else.

 

 

 

And tbh there are plenty of clans that go on pktrips and get unplanned pkris easely without having to crash the planned/oficial ones.

 

 

 

Sure is not againts the games rules, and its allowed, but I find it pretty selfish to go ruin a fight that clans have been waiting for weeks and prepared and made so much effort for.

 

 

 

Its two ways of fighting really, a selfish one where you just dont care about anything, or one where you care about the other.

[obfuscator]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

 

 

 

No offence to any Gladz members, but I am pretty sure they are not the most active clan in the clan world and I don't think they've pulled 80+ to a Cwa war in a while.

 

Nope, we haven't. We pulled ~85 against GK for the Jagex Cup, though, but that was 2 (?) months ago.

 

Wow, I haven't thought of gladz as one of the most active clans in ages.

[generaldesor]

That is completely true, but there is a 100 person limit(soon to be changed to unlimited on a future update). mot top clans that enjoy pvp'ing and pull way more than 100. but you make plenty of sense. But then again, if you're a top clan you're most likely gonna get crashed and if you do CW you can't have everyone in. Lets have gladz as an example, they are probobly the most active clan in the clan world pulling 80+ to CW wars and i even heard the pulled 500 opts to one of their PKRI's they can not go do a war at CW cause of the massive pulls and Activity(thats a good thing Gladz members).

 

 

 

No offence to any Gladz members, but I am pretty sure they are not the most active clan in the clan world and I don't think they've pulled 80+ to a Cwa war in a while.

 

Nope, we haven't. We pulled ~85 against GK for the Jagex Cup, though, but that was 2 (?) months ago.

 

Wow, I haven't thought of gladz as one of the most active clans in ages.

 

 

 

 

 

Indeed infact they seem pretty inactive to me

[Kimberly]

That's part and parcle to their very laid back (and successful might I add) community structure. They're actually very active ingame, but not necessarily in wars.

[Mateusz328]

The "IA" is made for all the noobs who cant go out pvp with there clans and Flame NH clans on Fan site forums for runescape. they get chance all them to go hop in with big clans to fight them off, I don't think IA will last long.

 

 

 

Nope. IA is an organisation that enjoy killing NH clans/teams, and I don't think it's "for noobs who can't go pvp". There are people from Cor/Df/Trwf/Eos/etc/etc, so it's not that CLANS are helping IA. IA will last as long as NH clans like DK/ZH/NI exsist, so don't worry we'll be looking for you every time you decide to go crash.

 

 

 

And we must all Remember its just a GAME Have Fun while you Play it

 

 

 

Agreed. I'm having fun killing NI.

[sparze]

The "IA" is made for all the noobs who cant go out pvp with there clans and Flame NH clans on Fan site forums for runescape. they get chance all them to go hop in with big clans to fight them off, I don't think IA will last long.

 

 

 

Nope. IA is an organisation that enjoy killing NH clans/teams, and I don't think it's "for noobs who can't go pvp". There are people from Cor/Df/Trwf/Eos/etc/etc, so it's not that CLANS are helping IA. IA will last as long as NH clans like DK/ZH/NI exsist, so don't worry we'll be looking for you every time you decide to go crash.

 

 

 

And we must all Remember its just a GAME Have Fun while you Play it

 

 

 

Agreed. I'm having fun killing NI.

 

 

 

Last night IA with 80 ops was hunting Dk's 20 ops LOL was funny i saw some people from clans from this community but shame they didnt last Long after DK got up to 50 Ops there 80 ops had no chance so they just called it off lol and DK Crashed and Made UBH end its war.

 

 

 

Better luck next time IA P.s Brining Binds wouldn't hurt you guys lol Tanked them 3 times with same INv of food 0 deaths 6+ Kills

[bravehero12]

no df no ia

 

no dk no bravehero in pvp??

 

lucky me, looks like dk wont be closing any time soon.

[MrGwas]

well on the plus side DK owns a bit of land in the wilderness now BH AND MOSSIES!!@!@

 

Everyone gtfo mossies that's dk land :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

[generaldesor]

You forgot cwa or any other safe-zone madcat, their very good at safezone camping fights!

[MrGwas]

it's just funny to me how many skill capes Ktv loses every time dk is out. He will run out one day! then I can rest in peace :P

[sparze]

it's just funny to me how many skill capes Ktv loses every time dk is out. He will run out one day! then I can rest in peace :P

 

 

 

He is one of the richest Runescape Players he almost got all stats maxed out he got max cash P hat sets Around 7Bill i Have seen his bank pictures So i think he can return for years an still have money to return.

[generaldesor]

it's just funny to me how many skill capes Ktv loses every time dk is out. He will run out one day! then I can rest in peace :P

 

 

 

He is one of the richest Runescape Players he almost got all stats maxed out he got max cash P hat sets Around 7Bill i Have seen his bank pictures So i think he can return for years an still have money to return.

 

 

 

 

 

Didnt know he was that rich, would be cool to see him wasting god-trimmed sets, after all I doub they drain his bank and you rarely see those in pvp :D

[MrGwas]

it's just funny to me how many skill capes Ktv loses every time dk is out. He will run out one day! then I can rest in peace :P

 

 

 

He is one of the richest Runescape Players he almost got all stats maxed out he got max cash P hat sets Around 7Bill i Have seen his bank pictures So i think he can return for years an still have money to return.

 

at the rate IA is going he will be poor in no time XD