n64jive Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great_one Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? I can't watch the video now, as I'm at work and youtube is blocked, however the head of my department at my university(who is from China) always talks about how the US has to compete with the Chinese in terms of becoming a technological power. I've never been over there myself, but he makes it seem like they have more advanced technology then we do. (btw, I'm going to trust a credible primary sources as opposed to some documentary) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warren211 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 The only reason i'm unhappy that gold farming was stopped was because I used to love to pk them at green drags when all wildy was pvp. I have no sympathy for the companies although I do feel sad that the citizens are out of a job. But thay doesn't mean i was reluctant to pk them. On the contrary, I loved the thrill of the hunt on those poor people at green drags, it was even more fun when they begged me in broken english to stop. I sound kind of heartless but hey, there's nothing wrong with pking someone in any situation. I'm not a villian. [hide=]tip it would pay me $500.00 to keep my clothes ON :( :lol:But then again, you fail to realize that 101% of the people in this universe hate you. Yes, humankind's hatred against you goes beyond mathematical possibilities.That tears it. I'm starting an animal rebellion using my mind powers. Those PETA bastards will never see it coming until the porcupines are half way up their asses.[/hide]Apparently a lot of people say it. I own. http://linkagg.com/ Not my site, but a simple, budding site that links often unheard-of websites that are amazing for usefulness and fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great_one Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? I can't watch the video now, as I'm at work and youtube is blocked, however the head of my department at my university(who is from China) always talks about how the US has to compete with the Chinese in terms of becoming a technological power. I've never been over there myself, but he makes it seem like they have more advanced technology then we do. (btw, I'm going to trust a credible primary sources as opposed to some documentary) goodluck finding it on youtube meaning it is a documentary by Ted Koppel and is actually available for purchase and was featured on the discovery channel. It is the first look at the modern China, the first American documentary that was allowed by the government to be shot there. And i'm talking about the general population btw, do you think all of those over a billion ppl have office jobs? But it is your choice to trust a worldly accredited source or your head of department . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexek Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 *cancels flight to China* PoetryIndexed Picture 1Indexed Picture 2 Killed my maxed Zerker pure April 2010 Rebooting Runescape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? I can't watch the video now, as I'm at work and youtube is blocked, however the head of my department at my university(who is from China) always talks about how the US has to compete with the Chinese in terms of becoming a technological power. I've never been over there myself, but he makes it seem like they have more advanced technology then we do. (btw, I'm going to trust a credible primary sources as opposed to some documentary) goodluck finding it on youtube meaning it is a documentary by Ted Koppel and is actually available for purchase and was featured on the discovery channel. It is the first look at the modern China, the first American documentary that was allowed by the government to be shot there. And i'm talking about the general population btw, do you think all of those over a billion ppl have office jobs? But it is your choice to trust a worldly accredited source or your head of department . I meant the didyouknow video. And trust me, I'm sure I could find the documenatary on the net if I wanted to, and btw just because someone made a video about it, doesn't make it legit. And I never said they all have office jobs, I just implied that it's not a third world country, which is how this thread portrays it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenkana Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? I can't watch the video now, as I'm at work and youtube is blocked, however the head of my department at my university(who is from China) always talks about how the US has to compete with the Chinese in terms of becoming a technological power. I've never been over there myself, but he makes it seem like they have more advanced technology then we do. (btw, I'm going to trust a credible primary sources as opposed to some documentary) goodluck finding it on youtube meaning it is a documentary by Ted Koppel and is actually available for purchase and was featured on the discovery channel. It is the first look at the modern China, the first American documentary that was allowed by the government to be shot there. And i'm talking about the general population btw, do you think all of those over a billion ppl have office jobs? But it is your choice to trust a worldly accredited source or your head of department . I meant the didyouknow video. And trust me, I'm sure I could find the documenatary on the net if I wanted to, and btw just because someone made a video about it, doesn't make it legit. And I never said they all have office jobs, I just implied that it's not a third world country, which is how this thread portrays it.True, it's not a third world country. But it is a dictatorship which, furthermore, keeps most of the money in only the ruling class- even if the nation itself is wealthy, the majority are impoverished with a standard of living much, much lower than free nations. If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system. Yeah, it is a pking minigame, so any arguments anybody makes will probably be biased.The best way this will end :Everybody just says,"I'm not arguing with you anymore, goodbye."The worst way this will end: I don't really know, psychological warfare? Worldwide thermonuclear war? Pie eating contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MstrMonopoly Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Why are people acting like China is a third world country? Althrough you can't compare RWT and Drug sales, this is a similiar style of market, yet we don't feel sorry for those making money off selling drugs because the government is trying to stop it... China has more money than the US, and a large population. There is a lot of poor people in China, but the ratio of poor/total population is probably a smaller number for china than the U.S. As to Great_one...you should check out a video on youtube called "Did you know". I feel like people just make [cabbage] up for fun these days.... have you watched the documentary "peoples republic of socialism"? because if you have you would understand what im talking about. and i watched that video, tell me what i made up that that goes against? I can't watch the video now, as I'm at work and youtube is blocked, however the head of my department at my university(who is from China) always talks about how the US has to compete with the Chinese in terms of becoming a technological power. I've never been over there myself, but he makes it seem like they have more advanced technology then we do. (btw, I'm going to trust a credible primary sources as opposed to some documentary) goodluck finding it on youtube meaning it is a documentary by Ted Koppel and is actually available for purchase and was featured on the discovery channel. It is the first look at the modern China, the first American documentary that was allowed by the government to be shot there. And i'm talking about the general population btw, do you think all of those over a billion ppl have office jobs? But it is your choice to trust a worldly accredited source or your head of department . I meant the didyouknow video. And trust me, I'm sure I could find the documenatary on the net if I wanted to, and btw just because someone made a video about it, doesn't make it legit. And I never said they all have office jobs, I just implied that it's not a third world country, which is how this thread portrays it.True, it's not a third world country. But it is a dictatorship which, furthermore, keeps most of the money in only the ruling class- even if the nation itself is wealthy, the majority are impoverished with a standard of living much, much lower than free nations. Wait, do you know anything about China, at all? I piety the fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 yeah, I urge all the posters here to read something on China (even if it's wikipedia) before posting. Sometimes I forget that a large portion of this forums users are uneducated. [hide=Originally Posted by "Great_One"] there is really no reason to be worried about the Chinese peoples' jobs. unlike in the united states or the uk the Chinese government chooses not to use new innovations in technology. That is what is causing the job loss in america(and foreign cheap labor and taxes and osha etc etc). when a machine bought and maintained for the salary of 1 worker can do the job of 10, people are going to be out of work. in China they just take all of their unemployed and use them in giant state protects as manual labor.[/hide] I was mainly arguing the fact that he said the chinese government refuses to use new innovations in technology, which I know is false. Edit:I just looked it up on wikipedia. The people's Republic of China(the communist one) has the 2nd largest budget for R&D(Research and Development).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 China is NOT a poor country. I've been there myself, and most of my family lives there. It's not the socialist/communist place you all seem to think it is. There are clearly signs of capitalism there, and there are limits to them much like the US. So China is only so much of a "poor" country as the US is. Both have poor people, which is the unfortunate and inevitable result of any form of free-market economy. Both have rich people. Both have middle classes. The difference is: since China's population is so much bigger, there are a lot more people who are poor, and a lot more people who are rich. 5% of 100 is only 5, but 5% of 10000 is 500, but it's still 5%. Half a century ago, was China impoverished? Yes it was. Back then, it was a much darker place. But since then, much of China has improved. China is not a technologically backward country, and many of you imply. Many of the things you can get in the US you can buy in China. My cousin has a blu-ray DVD player, if you desire an example, and many of my relatives enjoy the same gaming consoles we do here (although many more people use the Wii than in the US). "First world", "Second world" and "third world" are outdated terms. They were made during the COLD WAR by NATO nations. Guess who was first world? That's right, democratic nations. Guess who was second world? That's right, communist nations. Guess who was third world? Anyone who didn't side with either group. You may be lead to believe that they describe economic situations, but they don't. The reason why first worlders are so much richer than the others are because of the governments they live under. Any democratic nation would have received rich US and NATO aid, and soon would become rich itself. Communist nations generally could not rely on Communist and the USSR to do that for them. And of course, countries that received no aid at all struggled to keep up and became poor. However, many of the "second world" and "third world" nations have turned the tables. Examples are China and Russia, second worlders who are now in the same tier as "first world" nations. The better term would have been "developed nations", "developing nations" or "underdeveloped nations" (although many people do not use the last). China is not underdeveloped, as any nation with that strong a military and with nuclear capabilities cannot be underdeveloped. China is not developing. Chinese cities are very much like US cities. There are factories, malls, and mass transit. China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. So if you call China "third world" or "developing nation", then you might as well called the US and Western Europe the same. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Double post is my bad ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great_one Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 yeah, I urge all the posters here to read something on China (even if it's wikipedia) before posting. Sometimes I forget that a large portion of this forums users are uneducated. [hide=Originally Posted by "Great_One"] there is really no reason to be worried about the Chinese peoples' jobs. unlike in the united states or the uk the Chinese government chooses not to use new innovations in technology. That is what is causing the job loss in america(and foreign cheap labor and taxes and osha etc etc). when a machine bought and maintained for the salary of 1 worker can do the job of 10, people are going to be out of work. in China they just take all of their unemployed and use them in giant state protects as manual labor.[/hide] I was mainly arguing the fact that he said the chinese government refuses to use new innovations in technology, which I know is false. Edit:I just looked it up on wikipedia. The people's Republic of China(the communist one) has the 2nd largest budget for R&D(Research and Development).... what about that big state project they got going(i dont remember if it was a bridge or a tunnel) but all i know is that it will be record breaking. they have thousands of people digging foundations by hand bucket by bucket, they dont buy machinery because what they already have is labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great_one Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. if they are fully developed why are they still opening up coal burring power stations and coal mines all over the place. and why is Mcdonalds still expanding at a much faster rate than in the US. if they are developed this assumes that they are already done developing and are simply expanding with the population, witch they are not. China is still trying to catch up to it's population unlike Europe or the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n64jive Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 ...I've never heard of a country that just quits developing. After the Sino-Soviet split, China started to develop its own nuclear weapons and delivery systems, successfully detonating its first surface nuclear test in 1964 at Lop Nur. A natural outgrowth of this was a satellite launching program, which culminated in 1970 with the launching of Dong Fang Hong I, the first Chinese satellite. This made the PRC the fifth nation to independently launch a satellite. In 1992, the Shenzhou manned spaceflight program was authorized.[107] After four tests, Shenzhou 5 was launched on 15 October 2003, using a Long March 2F launch vehicle and carrying Chinese astronaut Yang Liwei, making the PRC the third country to put a human being into space through its own endeavors.[108] With the successful completion of the second manned mission, Shenzhou 6 in October 2005, the country plans to build a Chinese Space Station in the near future and achieve a lunar landing in the next decade.[109] China has the world's second largest research and development budget, and is expected to invest over $136 billion this year[when?] after growing more than 20% in the past year[when?].[110] The Chinese government continues to place heavy emphasis on research and development by creating greater public awareness of innovation, and reforming financial and tax systems to promote growth in cutting-edge industries. President Hu Jintao in January 2006 called for China to make the transition from a manufacturing-based economy to an innovation-based one, and this year's[when?] National People's Congress has approved large increases in research funding. Stem cell research and gene therapy, which some in the Western world see as controversial, face minimal regulation in China. China has an estimated 926,000 researchers, second only to the 1.3 million in the United States.[111] China is also actively developing its software, semiconductor and energy industries, including renewable energies such as hydro, wind and solar power.[112] In an effort to reduce pollution from coal-burning power plants, China has been pioneering the deployment of pebble bed nuclear reactors, which run cooler and safer, and have potential applications for the hydrogen economy.[113] China presently has the most cell phone users in the world, with over 600 million users in June 2008. Please just quit posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarong911 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This will put millions of families out of jobs! Oh, I don't care if people lose their jobs btw. I really don't. you know if they go out of business the better the economy for all mmporpg's and we will have less drug trader like people in our world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenkana Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 China is NOT a poor country. I've been there myself, and most of my family lives there. It's not the socialist/communist place you all seem to think it is. There are clearly signs of capitalism there, and there are limits to them much like the US. So China is only so much of a "poor" country as the US is. Both have poor people, which is the unfortunate and inevitable result of any form of free-market economy. Both have rich people. Both have middle classes. The difference is: since China's population is so much bigger, there are a lot more people who are poor, and a lot more people who are rich. 5% of 100 is only 5, but 5% of 10000 is 500, but it's still 5%. Half a century ago, was China impoverished? Yes it was. Back then, it was a much darker place. But since then, much of China has improved. China is not a technologically backward country, and many of you imply. Many of the things you can get in the US you can buy in China. My cousin has a blu-ray DVD player, if you desire an example, and many of my relatives enjoy the same gaming consoles we do here (although many more people use the Wii than in the US). "First world", "Second world" and "third world" are outdated terms. They were made during the COLD WAR by NATO nations. Guess who was first world? That's right, democratic nations. Guess who was second world? That's right, communist nations. Guess who was third world? Anyone who didn't side with either group. You may be lead to believe that they describe economic situations, but they don't. The reason why first worlders are so much richer than the others are because of the governments they live under. Any democratic nation would have received rich US and NATO aid, and soon would become rich itself. Communist nations generally could not rely on Communist and the USSR to do that for them. And of course, countries that received no aid at all struggled to keep up and became poor. However, many of the "second world" and "third world" nations have turned the tables. Examples are China and Russia, second worlders who are now in the same tier as "first world" nations. The better term would have been "developed nations", "developing nations" or "underdeveloped nations" (although many people do not use the last). China is not underdeveloped, as any nation with that strong a military and with nuclear capabilities cannot be underdeveloped. China is not developing. Chinese cities are very much like US cities. There are factories, malls, and mass transit. China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. So if you call China "third world" or "developing nation", then you might as well called the US and Western Europe the same.Thanks for the perspective. But you must admit that neither Russia or China are Communist nations- the USSR failed and China adapted to a more free market. And you do gloss over the fact that China restricts the freedoms of its citizens far more than the classic free nations, as shown by the way they restrict internet usage, news, and family size. Furthermore, cities are not all of China. Of course they're going to look nice and free- after all, they do support tourism. Places where tourists do not go are probably far, far worse. Admittedly, you could say the exact same thing of the U.S., but the difference is the government doesn't force tourists to only visit certain places. If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system. Yeah, it is a pking minigame, so any arguments anybody makes will probably be biased.The best way this will end :Everybody just says,"I'm not arguing with you anymore, goodbye."The worst way this will end: I don't really know, psychological warfare? Worldwide thermonuclear war? Pie eating contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hvid Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 China is NOT a poor country. I've been there myself, and most of my family lives there. It's not the socialist/communist place you all seem to think it is. There are clearly signs of capitalism there, and there are limits to them much like the US. So China is only so much of a "poor" country as the US is. Both have poor people, which is the unfortunate and inevitable result of any form of free-market economy. Both have rich people. Both have middle classes. The difference is: since China's population is so much bigger, there are a lot more people who are poor, and a lot more people who are rich. 5% of 100 is only 5, but 5% of 10000 is 500, but it's still 5%. Half a century ago, was China impoverished? Yes it was. Back then, it was a much darker place. But since then, much of China has improved. China is not a technologically backward country, and many of you imply. Many of the things you can get in the US you can buy in China. My cousin has a blu-ray DVD player, if you desire an example, and many of my relatives enjoy the same gaming consoles we do here (although many more people use the Wii than in the US). "First world", "Second world" and "third world" are outdated terms. They were made during the COLD WAR by NATO nations. Guess who was first world? That's right, democratic nations. Guess who was second world? That's right, communist nations. Guess who was third world? Anyone who didn't side with either group. You may be lead to believe that they describe economic situations, but they don't. The reason why first worlders are so much richer than the others are because of the governments they live under. Any democratic nation would have received rich US and NATO aid, and soon would become rich itself. Communist nations generally could not rely on Communist and the USSR to do that for them. And of course, countries that received no aid at all struggled to keep up and became poor. However, many of the "second world" and "third world" nations have turned the tables. Examples are China and Russia, second worlders who are now in the same tier as "first world" nations. The better term would have been "developed nations", "developing nations" or "underdeveloped nations" (although many people do not use the last). China is not underdeveloped, as any nation with that strong a military and with nuclear capabilities cannot be underdeveloped. China is not developing. Chinese cities are very much like US cities. There are factories, malls, and mass transit. China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. So if you call China "third world" or "developing nation", then you might as well called the US and Western Europe the same.Thanks for the perspective. But you must admit that neither Russia or China are Communist nations- the USSR failed and China adapted to a more free market. And you do gloss over the fact that China restricts the freedoms of its citizens far more than the classic free nations, as shown by the way they restrict internet usage, news, and family size. Furthermore, cities are not all of China. Of course they're going to look nice and free- after all, they do support tourism. Places where tourists do not go are probably far, far worse. Admittedly, you could say the exact same thing of the U.S., but the difference is the government doesn't force tourists to only visit certain places. I agree with zaaps1 more or less. You have not been to China, you do not know China. Please do not piblish further assumptions. If your country have 1.3 billion people, and you want the freedom. OK, then you will double to 2.6 bil. in a short time. Do we on the earth have enough resources for that? I can see that in big cities, young people get married much later than before and more people do not want to have child. It is a result of industrialization. Same all over the world. Who tell you that you can only stay in cities not to the countryside in China? If you do not know, quit please. Every country has something people do not like. I am in a rich country, we still have a lot of things we do not like. We do not pay a cent to go to doctor. However, we have to wait for a long time to have the operation, even it is cancer. Some of us have to go Germany and pay buy ourselvs. So, I would say it is a good thing that Chinese government banned on Goldfarming. Most of those goldfarmers are not from the poor countryside people, but young people from cities. I have not heard any family that their all income are from goldfarming. No one will go hungry. They just lose their jobs on goldfarming. So many chances in China. They will pick up another one. If I lose my current job, I will have trouble since very few chances here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. if they are fully developed why are they still opening up coal burring power stations and coal mines all over the place. and why is Mcdonalds still expanding at a much faster rate than in the US. if they are developed this assumes that they are already done developing and are simply expanding with the population, witch they are not. China is still trying to catch up to it's population unlike Europe or the US. If the US is fully industrialized, why is it still trying to find new reserves of coal and oil? McDonald's isn't an industry, it's a corporation. It would be like any new store expanding in the US. It's irrelevant. China is NOT a poor country. I've been there myself, and most of my family lives there. It's not the socialist/communist place you all seem to think it is. There are clearly signs of capitalism there, and there are limits to them much like the US. So China is only so much of a "poor" country as the US is. Both have poor people, which is the unfortunate and inevitable result of any form of free-market economy. Both have rich people. Both have middle classes. The difference is: since China's population is so much bigger, there are a lot more people who are poor, and a lot more people who are rich. 5% of 100 is only 5, but 5% of 10000 is 500, but it's still 5%. Half a century ago, was China impoverished? Yes it was. Back then, it was a much darker place. But since then, much of China has improved. China is not a technologically backward country, and many of you imply. Many of the things you can get in the US you can buy in China. My cousin has a blu-ray DVD player, if you desire an example, and many of my relatives enjoy the same gaming consoles we do here (although many more people use the Wii than in the US). "First world", "Second world" and "third world" are outdated terms. They were made during the COLD WAR by NATO nations. Guess who was first world? That's right, democratic nations. Guess who was second world? That's right, communist nations. Guess who was third world? Anyone who didn't side with either group. You may be lead to believe that they describe economic situations, but they don't. The reason why first worlders are so much richer than the others are because of the governments they live under. Any democratic nation would have received rich US and NATO aid, and soon would become rich itself. Communist nations generally could not rely on Communist and the USSR to do that for them. And of course, countries that received no aid at all struggled to keep up and became poor. However, many of the "second world" and "third world" nations have turned the tables. Examples are China and Russia, second worlders who are now in the same tier as "first world" nations. The better term would have been "developed nations", "developing nations" or "underdeveloped nations" (although many people do not use the last). China is not underdeveloped, as any nation with that strong a military and with nuclear capabilities cannot be underdeveloped. China is not developing. Chinese cities are very much like US cities. There are factories, malls, and mass transit. China is fully industrialized (explain the environmental problem another way?), so it cannot be developing. So if you call China "third world" or "developing nation", then you might as well called the US and Western Europe the same.Thanks for the perspective. But you must admit that neither Russia or China are Communist nations- the USSR failed and China adapted to a more free market. And you do gloss over the fact that China restricts the freedoms of its citizens far more than the classic free nations, as shown by the way they restrict internet usage, news, and family size. Furthermore, cities are not all of China. Of course they're going to look nice and free- after all, they do support tourism. Places where tourists do not go are probably far, far worse. Admittedly, you could say the exact same thing of the U.S., but the difference is the government doesn't force tourists to only visit certain places. Russia and China WERE Communist (and China, in name, still is). That's what I meant. Decades ago, they were only considered "inferior" to the West because they were Communist. Since then, both nations have released their tight Communist hold and are no longer fully Communist. That's what I mean when I say "first world" and the like are outdated terms. Restriction of freedoms has nothing to do with China's economy and industry, which is the focus. You're right in that second paragraph, but that doesn't make China less industrialized. All it means is that it is POLITICALLY more harsh, not ECONOMICALLY. There isn't a restriction to places you can visit in China, as far as I know. (Ofc, excluding off-limits places such as Nuclear Plants, etc.) Plus, the US has poor countrysides as well. There's not much difference except for the amount of people, and that is explained by China's greater population. ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomy Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 shut up. I MAKE NO SENSE XD Doomy edit: I like sheep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Just epic lol at people trying to argue China refuses to use technological innovations. Yeah China the big huge country that is renowned for leading the world in technology and being known as crazy about it and being the leading ppl working on thing such as androids etc. CLEARLY refuse to use technology. What you mistaking is mass workforce for refusal to use technology. China is VASTLY overpopulated. Therefore there are millions - billions of unemployed. Therefore they will take lower wages. Therefore an employer can employ 5 - 10 workers to do the work of maybe 2 workers with a machine, but at like half the cost. It's not china refusing to use technology, its simply why pay for 1 person and a machine to do a job when you can employ like 10 people for the same amount and get twice the output? Answer you don't because the 10 workers = more profit. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis_42 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This will put millions of families out of jobs! Oh, I don't care if people lose their jobs btw. I really don't. you know if they go out of business the better the economy for all mmporpg's and we will have less drug trader like people in our world Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I never stated in my post that I didn't care about people losing their jobs. All I stated was that this law wasn't going to cause any sort of dramatic change in Gold Farming, much like how the laws against things like prostitution or drug dealing don't stop the people involved with either of those. Simply put, the Chinese government aren't going to put massive amounts of money towards stopping the exchange of virtual currency with real money. This law is more or less a formality. And I'm not going to get involved in the dabate about China's state of development other than to say that China has good things going for it, but it also has its fair share of problems. And this whole thread seems to have gotten off topic anyways. "Those who know nothing, can understand nothing" - Ansem, Kingdom Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkmutt Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I mean... laws get broken all the time, people need to eat people to make money... Misquoted for lulz. But on topic: China's population is so large that it would take a rather large police/military force to enforce the goldfarming ban. Anyways the people who were doing the goldfarming in the first place weren't the most lawful businessmen/women to begin with so what will it take for them to stop doing what they are doing? [hide=Drops]Dragon: Spear x1, Med helm x3, legs x2, pickaxe x1, skirt x3, scimitar x1Barrows: DH helm x1, Verac Brassy x2, Karil Skirt x1, Ahrim Hood x2, Guthan SpearGWD: Arma Helm x1Other: Handcannon x4, Leaf Bladed Sword x3[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demby123 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Soooo.... Nobody thinks the PRC could simply monitor suspicious websites or programs as they download,then cut there ISP or go after a physical address? Thats how it could be done with limited resources. :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenkana Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Soooo.... Nobody thinks the PRC could simply monitor suspicious websites or programs as they download,then cut there ISP or go after a physical address? Thats how it could be done with limited resources. :idea:Also when you're citizens have limited rights... If the CORPORAL beast is this hard, imagine how hard a GENERAL or COLONEL beast would be. a corporal is not even an admirable rank in armies that use that ranking system. Yeah, it is a pking minigame, so any arguments anybody makes will probably be biased.The best way this will end :Everybody just says,"I'm not arguing with you anymore, goodbye."The worst way this will end: I don't really know, psychological warfare? Worldwide thermonuclear war? Pie eating contest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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