I'm sure you all agree... SURPRISING ANALYSIS - 4TH LINK

[stonewall337]

Sorry, but the 26k trick is not illegal. However, steps DO need to be taken to limit a few things. 1.) No more striking in in Hot Zones. 2.) Increased EP rates for non-HZ training, but only in place where you are actually training, such as killing cave horrors or training agility in Dorg. 3.) Ability to attack people who are battling with bronze weapons/striking. 4.) Making some of the higher end PvP drops only gain able from target kills or from people who lose more than 150k. (This later would still keep RWT out, as you are still just as likely to gain a lower end drop instead of a Zaros Stat. You will however be able to still profitably PK.)

[Needaname]

I don't agree.

 

 

 

Pvp shouldn't become a money sink as you put it. Rather Jagex should just find a way to stop the 26k'ers.

 

 

 

People who enjoy PVP shouldn't be chastised because of a few non-PVPers who found a get rich quick scheme. Rather Jagex should be making a way to stop these people without harming the players who are finally being able to pk again.

 

 

 

I kind of agree with this statement. You have a lot of people who have no interest in PVP, but are 26king. Find a way to stop the 26king abuse, and you stop a lot of those problems.

 

 

 

However, PVP never used to generate brand new items and wealth into the game, and I think that's the point Ts was trying to make. Should this be stopped as well? I don't PK so I don't know.

 

 

 

MMORPGs always have a problem with inflation. The ways Jagex typically deals with it is by introducing ways to draw money out of the economy with things like Construction. I don't think inflation itself is bad. We've always experienced inflation in Runescape. It only becomes a problem if the inflation increases too fast. I'm sure they will put an end to 26king soon, and then I could see the next skill being a moneypit skill along the lines of Construction.

 

 

 

Also the new armor from PVP was a good idea from stop inflation, maybe make more items like this? Something that you can sell anytime but soon will disapear, also making construction, herblore, summoning and magic more atractive becouse they are there for stop the inflation.

[Earth_Poet]

Also the new armor from PVP was a good idea from stop inflation, maybe make more items like this? Something that you can sell anytime but soon will disapear, also making construction, herblore, summoning and magic more atractive becouse they are there for stop the inflation.

 

 

 

Magic, for years, has been one of the greatest causes of inflation with the high alching spell.

[Needaname]

Also the new armor from PVP was a good idea from stop inflation, maybe make more items like this? Something that you can sell anytime but soon will disapear, also making construction, herblore, summoning and magic more atractive becouse they are there for stop the inflation.

 

 

 

Magic, for years, has been one of the greatest causes of inflation with the high alching spell.

 

 

 

Sorry forgot to add something #-o

 

''Make more people use other spells aren't alchemy becouse you acutally use the runes and sometimes you get less than the runes wasted''

 

Better?

[toast647]

PVP should be turned back into a money sink rather then stay a method of quick cash for thousands of people,

 

 

 

You mean breaking even, or making a little bit.

 

 

 

I did 25 or so 26k kills at 0% ep, got 10m worth, including three double statuette drops, and two brawlers in a row. Each one I got at least 100k. Then I went pking afterwards, got 50% ep twice, pked a statue, then 26ked the rest of my EP. I got a double statuette drop.

 

 

 

This is really ridiculous, and should be fixed.

[Lordjake]

most prices are just returning to the point where they were awhile ago. i don't see the problem with that.

 

 

 

when old-style pking and staking were removed, prices plummeted. Now, some prices are getting back to the point where they used to be.

[stonewall337]

Those who are doing 26K heavily and think "I don't care about everyone else, i earn good cash" remind me of republicans in US.

 

 

 

Correct me if i am wrong, but isn't republicans goal to have a more private society where everyone looks after themself?

 

 

 

Private schools, Private healthcare and so on?

 

 

 

If so then yes 26kers remind me of them, because they don't care about those hardworkers who don't do PvP.

 

 

 

Whereas Liberals/Democrats want the government to run your life, with a "cradle to the grave" mentality. Especially in the US, the Government does not have the constitutional right to run certain things, such as nationalized healthcare.

 

 

 

Typical Democrat response. They blame everyone but themselves, when they are the root of the problem. (Yes it may be an "inconvenient truth", but just as the Polar Bear population is on a massive rise, while "global warming" still persists...) You are the typical democrat. Blame others for your own inability to rectify a problem. If you don't want to 26k, go MH or skill. Those rare drops are rising rapidly for MH'ers, while the price of raw materials is rising as well. Jeez...

[Needaname]

most prices are just returning to the point where they were awhile ago. i don't see the problem with that.

 

 

 

when old-style pking and staking were removed, prices plummeted. Now, some prices are getting back to the point where they used to be.

 

 

 

Umm that i remember whip was 1.5-1.7m when Old pk was out, but i must agree with your statement, but still some items have no explication for the increment, like dragon bones, sience when pures train pray?

[Sir_Kurity]

But i want my decent PVP drops or i burn down jagex building.

 

 

 

:thumbsup:

 

 

 

I already have to waste time getting EP when i could be killing, why make it a goldsink AND wasting my time getting EP.

 

 

 

No, i don't 25k trick (much) and when i have i hardly get any decent drops, i think your all blowing it out of proportion because SOME people get good drops, when realistically its not that easy.

[Veryhyper]

Why you two started to argue about republicans and democrats is beyond me.

[Needaname]

But i want my decent PVP drops or i burn down jagex building.

 

 

 

:thumbsup:

 

 

 

I already have to waste time getting EP when i could be killing, why make it a goldsink AND wasting my time getting EP.

 

 

 

No, i don't 25k trick (much) and when i have i hardly get any decent drops, i think your all blowing it out of proportion because SOME people get good drops, when realistically its not that easy.

 

 

 

But still you aren't helping economy, why you dont train mining or wc or i don't know meanwhile you get EP and you actually helping economy, by the way we not talking about how rare and common, we talking about this price changes.

[stonewall337]

Another reason many people play RS is to achieve goals. If I have to work a few extra hours to pay the 5-10 million a AGS went up, I honestly am fine with that. The achievement is that much greater, and the item can be resold for a high price still. I don't believe this will "break the game"

[n64jive]

Everyone on this forums already thinks they're always right, please don't introduce politics into this.

 

Here is a wiki about real world inflation:

 

 

 

[hide=Negative]Negative

 

 

 

An increase in the general level of prices implies a decrease in the purchasing power of the currency. That is, when the general level of prices rises, each monetary unit buys fewer goods and services.[17] The effect of inflation is not distributed evenly, and as a consequence there are hidden costs to some and benefits to others from this decrease in purchasing power. For example, with inflation lenders or depositors who are paid a fixed rate of interest on loans or deposits will lose purchasing power from their interest earnings, while their borrowers benefit. Individuals or institutions with cash assets will experience a decline in the purchasing power of their holdings. Increases in payments to workers and pensioners often lag behind inflation, especially for those with fixed payments.[8]

 

 

 

High or unpredictable inflation rates are regarded as harmful to an overall economy. They add inefficiencies in the market, and make it difficult for companies to budget or plan long-term. Inflation can act as a drag on productivity as companies are forced to shift resources away from products and services in order to focus on profit and losses from currency inflation.[8] Uncertainty about the future purchasing power of money discourages investment and saving.[18] And inflation can impose hidden tax increases, as inflated earnings push taxpayers into higher income tax rates.

 

 

 

With high inflation, purchasing power is redistributed from those on fixed incomes such as pensioners towards those with variable incomes whose earnings may better keep pace with the inflation.[8] This redistribution of purchasing power will also occur between international trading partners. Where fixed exchange rates are imposed, rising inflation in one economy will cause its exports to become more expensive and affect the balance of trade. There can also be negative impacts to trade from an increased instability in currency exchange prices caused by unpredictable inflation.

 

 

 

Cost-push inflation

 

Rising inflation can prompt employees to demand higher wages, to keep up with consumer prices. Rising wages in turn can help fuel inflation. In the case of collective bargaining, wages will be set as a factor of price expectations, which will be higher when inflation has an upward trend. This can cause a wage spiral.[19] In a sense, inflation begets further inflationary expectations.

 

 

 

Hoarding

 

People buy consumer durables as stores of wealth in the absence of viable alternatives as a means of getting rid of excess cash before it is devalued, creating shortages of the hoarded objects.

 

 

 

Hyperinflation

 

If inflation gets totally out of control (in the upward direction), it can grossly interfere with the normal workings of the economy, hurting its ability to supply.

 

 

 

Allocative efficiency

 

A change in the supply or demand for a good will normally cause its price to change, signalling to buyers and sellers that they should re-allocate resources in response to the new market conditions. But when prices are constantly changing due to inflation, genuine price signals get lost in the noise, so agents are slow to respond to them. The result is a loss of allocative efficiency.

 

 

 

Shoe leather cost

 

High inflation increases the opportunity cost of holding cash balances and can induce people to hold a greater portion of their assets in interest paying accounts. However, since cash is still needed in order to carry out transactions this means that more "trips to the bank" are necessary in order to make withdrawals, proverbially wearing out the "shoe leather" with each trip.

 

 

 

Menu costs

 

With high inflation, firms must change their prices often in order to keep up with economy wide changes. But often changing prices is itself a costly activity whether explicitly, as with the need to print new menus, or implicitly.

 

 

 

Business cycles

 

According to the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, inflation sets off the business cycle. Austrian economists hold this to be the most damaging effect of inflation. According to Austrian theory, artificially low interest rates and the associated increase in the money supply lead to reckless, speculative borrowing, resulting in clusters of malinvestments, which eventually have to be liquidated as they become unsustainable.[20][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Positive]Positive

 

 

 

Labor-market adjustments

 

Keynesians believe that nominal wages are slow to adjust downwards. This can lead to prolonged disequilibrium and high unemployment in the labor market. Since inflation would lower the real wage if nominal wages are kept constant, Keynesians argue that some inflation is good for the economy, as it would allow labor markets to reach equilibrium faster.

 

 

 

Debt relief

 

Debtors who have debts with a fixed nominal rate of interest will see a reduction in the "real" interest rate as the inflation rate rises. The real interest on a loan is the nominal rate minus the inflation rate. (R=n-i) For example if you take a loan where the stated interest rate is 6% and the inflation rate is at 3%, the real interest rate that you are paying for the loan is 3%. It would also hold true that if you had a loan at a fixed interest rate of 6% and the inflation rate jumped to 20% you would have a real interest rate of -14%. Banks and other lenders adjust for this inflation risk either by including an inflation premium in the costs of lending the money by creating a higher initial stated interest rate or by setting the interest at a variable rate.

 

 

 

Room to maneuver

 

The primary tools for controlling the money supply are the ability to set the discount rate, the rate at which banks can borrow from the central bank, and open market operations which are the central bank's interventions into the bonds market with the aim of affecting the nominal interest rate. If an economy finds itself in a recession with already low, or even zero, nominal interest rates, then the bank cannot cut these rates further (since negative nominal interest rates are impossible) in order to stimulate the economy - this situation is known as a liquidity trap. A moderate level of inflation tends to ensure that nominal interest rates stay sufficiently above zero so that if the need arises the bank can cut the nominal interest rate.

 

 

 

Tobin effect

 

The Nobel prize winning economist James Tobin at one point had argued that a moderate level of inflation can increase investment in an economy leading to faster growth or at least higher steady state level of income. This is due to the fact that inflation lowers the return on monetary assets relative to real assets, such as physical capital. To avoid inflation, investors would switch from holding their assets as money (or a similar, susceptible to inflation, form) to investing in real capital projects. See Tobin monetary model[21][/hide]

 

 

 

I post this to show that Inflation isn't the devil(as many people on this forum seem to think)...Rapid inflation is very bad, but slight inflation, especially for runescape, isn't a terrible thing.

[Carl]

Inflation like this is ruining RuneScape, I couldn't agree more with Ts Stormrage.

 

 

 

People are saying, it is okay considering money is easier to get now so won't bother many people. I personally hate Pvp, I've gained 100% Ep twice, and used it. I admit to that, both times gaining ~300k, I rather socialise in Edgeville than ruin the economy anymore. Folks are also saying now that doing things for raw materials is now more profitable, eh, no it isn't. And really was Never profitable. What good is something if it has rose, yet, everything you wish to achieve in this game that are items have also rose? Sharks etc are down, why? Because people don't need food to gain Ep. All the Pk'ers that would once consume 100's of these per day, are now just "26k'ing", or "Farming brawlers" (Just another way to say you're 26k'ing). It's pathetic.

 

 

 

If I wish to get more Gp than I already have, I will have to return to merchanting/manipulation, which I once used to do on a large scale, I don't want to do that. We all know how messed up RuneScape is because of this, I don't wish to contribute to it anymore. I've played my part, and regret it (Somewhat).

[Sir_Kurity]

Yea, but gotta do it without ruining PVP or encouraging RWT.

 

 

 

When you think about it, inflation dosent affect you much, sure you might have to pay an extra few mill for some of the more expensive items, but its hardly "ruining" the game.

[n64jive]

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

[Earth_Poet]

Everyone on this forums already thinks they're always right, please don't introduce politics into this.

 

Here is a wiki about real world inflation:

 

 

 

[hide=Negative]Negative

 

 

 

An increase in the general level of prices implies a decrease in the purchasing power of the currency. That is, when the general level of prices rises, each monetary unit buys fewer goods and services.[17] The effect of inflation is not distributed evenly, and as a consequence there are hidden costs to some and benefits to others from this decrease in purchasing power. For example, with inflation lenders or depositors who are paid a fixed rate of interest on loans or deposits will lose purchasing power from their interest earnings, while their borrowers benefit. Individuals or institutions with cash assets will experience a decline in the purchasing power of their holdings. Increases in payments to workers and pensioners often lag behind inflation, especially for those with fixed payments.[8]

 

 

 

High or unpredictable inflation rates are regarded as harmful to an overall economy. They add inefficiencies in the market, and make it difficult for companies to budget or plan long-term. Inflation can act as a drag on productivity as companies are forced to shift resources away from products and services in order to focus on profit and losses from currency inflation.[8] Uncertainty about the future purchasing power of money discourages investment and saving.[18] And inflation can impose hidden tax increases, as inflated earnings push taxpayers into higher income tax rates.

 

 

 

With high inflation, purchasing power is redistributed from those on fixed incomes such as pensioners towards those with variable incomes whose earnings may better keep pace with the inflation.[8] This redistribution of purchasing power will also occur between international trading partners. Where fixed exchange rates are imposed, rising inflation in one economy will cause its exports to become more expensive and affect the balance of trade. There can also be negative impacts to trade from an increased instability in currency exchange prices caused by unpredictable inflation.

 

 

 

Cost-push inflation

 

Rising inflation can prompt employees to demand higher wages, to keep up with consumer prices. Rising wages in turn can help fuel inflation. In the case of collective bargaining, wages will be set as a factor of price expectations, which will be higher when inflation has an upward trend. This can cause a wage spiral.[19] In a sense, inflation begets further inflationary expectations.

 

 

 

Hoarding

 

People buy consumer durables as stores of wealth in the absence of viable alternatives as a means of getting rid of excess cash before it is devalued, creating shortages of the hoarded objects.

 

 

 

Hyperinflation

 

If inflation gets totally out of control (in the upward direction), it can grossly interfere with the normal workings of the economy, hurting its ability to supply.

 

 

 

Allocative efficiency

 

A change in the supply or demand for a good will normally cause its price to change, signalling to buyers and sellers that they should re-allocate resources in response to the new market conditions. But when prices are constantly changing due to inflation, genuine price signals get lost in the noise, so agents are slow to respond to them. The result is a loss of allocative efficiency.

 

 

 

Shoe leather cost

 

High inflation increases the opportunity cost of holding cash balances and can induce people to hold a greater portion of their assets in interest paying accounts. However, since cash is still needed in order to carry out transactions this means that more "trips to the bank" are necessary in order to make withdrawals, proverbially wearing out the "shoe leather" with each trip.

 

 

 

Menu costs

 

With high inflation, firms must change their prices often in order to keep up with economy wide changes. But often changing prices is itself a costly activity whether explicitly, as with the need to print new menus, or implicitly.

 

 

 

Business cycles

 

According to the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, inflation sets off the business cycle. Austrian economists hold this to be the most damaging effect of inflation. According to Austrian theory, artificially low interest rates and the associated increase in the money supply lead to reckless, speculative borrowing, resulting in clusters of malinvestments, which eventually have to be liquidated as they become unsustainable.[20][/hide]

 

 

 

[hide=Positive]Positive

 

 

 

Labor-market adjustments

 

Keynesians believe that nominal wages are slow to adjust downwards. This can lead to prolonged disequilibrium and high unemployment in the labor market. Since inflation would lower the real wage if nominal wages are kept constant, Keynesians argue that some inflation is good for the economy, as it would allow labor markets to reach equilibrium faster.

 

 

 

Debt relief

 

Debtors who have debts with a fixed nominal rate of interest will see a reduction in the "real" interest rate as the inflation rate rises. The real interest on a loan is the nominal rate minus the inflation rate. (R=n-i) For example if you take a loan where the stated interest rate is 6% and the inflation rate is at 3%, the real interest rate that you are paying for the loan is 3%. It would also hold true that if you had a loan at a fixed interest rate of 6% and the inflation rate jumped to 20% you would have a real interest rate of -14%. Banks and other lenders adjust for this inflation risk either by including an inflation premium in the costs of lending the money by creating a higher initial stated interest rate or by setting the interest at a variable rate.

 

 

 

Room to maneuver

 

The primary tools for controlling the money supply are the ability to set the discount rate, the rate at which banks can borrow from the central bank, and open market operations which are the central bank's interventions into the bonds market with the aim of affecting the nominal interest rate. If an economy finds itself in a recession with already low, or even zero, nominal interest rates, then the bank cannot cut these rates further (since negative nominal interest rates are impossible) in order to stimulate the economy - this situation is known as a liquidity trap. A moderate level of inflation tends to ensure that nominal interest rates stay sufficiently above zero so that if the need arises the bank can cut the nominal interest rate.

 

 

 

Tobin effect

 

The Nobel prize winning economist James Tobin at one point had argued that a moderate level of inflation can increase investment in an economy leading to faster growth or at least higher steady state level of income. This is due to the fact that inflation lowers the return on monetary assets relative to real assets, such as physical capital. To avoid inflation, investors would switch from holding their assets as money (or a similar, susceptible to inflation, form) to investing in real capital projects. See Tobin monetary model[21][/hide]

 

 

 

I post this to show that Inflation isn't the devil(as many people on this forum seem to think)...Rapid inflation is very bad, but slight inflation, especially for runescape, isn't a terrible thing.

 

 

 

What happened to not using real world examples? I thought that was your criteria. I agree that inflation itself is not a bad thing in Runescape, but rapid inflation is (even said that earlier). I agree with you, but maybe we should explain why inflation itself isn't bad (without using real world examples).

[Carl]

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

 

 

Simply looks to me like merchants pushed it to the limit. :roll: (Which, I am 100% sure that they did..)

 

 

 

Edit: That going so cheap is of benefit to many people, it's not causing harm. People don't hunt the monsters in Tzhaar purely for the drops, they range them because they may get some profit from it.

 

 

 

Not only that, but merchants AND the fact that was a pvp drop is why it has dropped so much.

[Reztral]

A good way of getting rid of the 26k trick is to just raise the amount of money that needs to be risked. I say it should be 200k.

[Carl]

A good way of getting rid of the 26k trick is to just raise the amount of money that needs to be risked. I say it should be 200k.

 

 

 

That'd be a good idea, considering 100% ep gets you = 4 kills which would be 800k. However, most of the time (For many people, anyway), it's far over 1Mgp from 100% Ep.

[newge4]

My question is, honestly, who is this harming? The whole economy is inflating at around the same rate, so, to me at least, it seems to be a "zero sum game". All areas of moneymaking are seeing rises: wood, ores, fish, slayer drops, GWD drops, barrows drops.

[cruzaar]

I support, I myself have got legit pk's of 2 zaros and they were off like 250k gear... It just isn't right. As for merching clans :wall:

[Sir_Kurity]

I have to agree with newge.

 

 

 

Also, raising it to 100k would be a good idea, but then what happens to f2p.

 

 

 

Hardly any f2p pures risk more than 50k, infact, half the people in full rune don't even risk 100k.

[newge4]

Don't take my earlier post wrong, though. I consider 26k'ing to be wrong, and can't stand merchant(price manipulator) clans. I believe that the pvp statuette issue is only one reason that prices are going up. Add in summertime(already mentioned), Jagex's new macro detection system, and even the recent Chineese government ban on goldfarming, and you'll see that there are a myriad of possible contributing factors to the recent across the board price rises.

[n64jive]

I also agree that 26king is a problem, however, if Jagex introduces a way for higher levels to make money(say a dungeon that drops these statues from high combat monsters or some way allows skillers to trade an object for currency), I wouldn't be opposed to it causing inflation...because inflation isn't the devil...

 

 

 

As for 26king, I'll continue to make money off it untul jagex fixes it...