Very Intersting Find...

[Outsanity]

I'd think that they may have accidentally stumbled upon the Wizard of Oz effect. I'm pretty sure they were focusing more on developing moralistic stories and spoofing popular media films like "mission impossible"

 

 

 

Nonetheless, nice find. If they did plan this out in the bigger picture, good for them. But honestly, I think the best evidence to find if this was an accident is within the credits of who developed what quest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the offtopic discussion regarding Jagex's updates, it's offtopic...so I'll TRY to limit what I will say lol. I'm just going to say that some of the small fixes and recent updates have been really helpful to me. Run update, off-line grave preservation, and the Enhanced Excalibur has all been great additions to Runescape. You can't please the world, some people will be purists and say they would rather have restore run potions, loss of graves through disconnection, and the original Excalibur.

 

 

 

This is how the world is. When one person is satisfied, another person is not. I also have to mention that happy people usually do not feel the need to express their happiness while the upset have every reason to rant about every tidbit in their lives. Thus the supposed disproportionate ratio between the Satisfaction and the Complaint.

 

 

 

While this is true, the amount of fatal glitches and the number of times updates have had to be "taken back and revamped," is enormous this year.

[magzar]

lulz, amusing concept. I'll be very amused if they take it somewhere.

 

 

 

As for this year, they said it would be an update year with less content updates and more work on existing things. Altering code is always trickier than adding new code, and glitches are to be expected. I will admit I've been less than thrilled with some of the updates this year, but that's ok. It's one year out of the 8 since I've joined. Why don't we wait until next year and see what they do with it before we blow things out of proportion.

 

 

 

If you look at the sheer size of the Runescape player base it's totally understandable that there will be a sizable portion of it that doesn't like any update that's made. That portion will rant, while those who are content will most likely be busy playing. That's just how things work. It's nothing to get all in a tiff over. There have been some great updates, and there have been some crap updates. I think a lot of people just fail to remember that that's always been the case with runescape, as well as any other game which receives frequent updates.

 

 

 

If you're unsatisfied with the game at the moment, you could always take a break until something you like comes out. The probability that something will eventually strike your interest and draw you back is always there.

[spooferfish]

Clever. I don't think Jagex is smart enough to have been thinking this all along though. Though, it would be cool if they would follow this train of wizard of oz references. I'd like to see a quest with a man behind a curtain or a witch with flying monkies. =-p

 

 

 

You'd be surprised how clever they really are ;)

 

 

 

If they're so clever they should make an update that isn't either really lame or doesn't send the runescape economy or engine into a downward spiral. lol.

 

 

 

Look up the definition of clever.

 

 

 

I love all the hidden references. :D

[No_99_Melee]

Wizard of Oz was about the Gold Standard. But I guess it could apply to video games as well lol. Jagex is very sneaksy.

 

 

 

[hide=Some History]From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story

 

 

 

Some scholars have theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road). Many other characters and story lines represent identifiable people or circumstances of the day. The wicked witches of the east and west represented the local banks and the railroad industry, respectively, both of which drove small farmers out of business. The scarecrow represents the farmers of the Populist party, who managed to get out of debt by making more silver coinage. The return to bimetalism would increase inflation, thus lowering the real value of their debts. The Tin Woodman represents the factory workers of the industrialized North, whom the Populists saw as being so hard-pressed to work grueling hours for little money that the workers had lost their human hearts and become mechanized themselves. (See Second Industrial Revolution) Toto was thought to be short for teetotaler, another word for a prohibitionist; it should be noted that William Jennings Bryan, the fiery popular candidate (possibly the Lion character) from the Populist Party, was a teetotaler himself. Bryan also fits the allegorical reference to the Cowardly Lion in that he retreated from his support of free silver after economic conditions improved in the late 1890s. However, it has also been suggested the cowardly Lion represented Wall Street investors, given the economic climate of the time. The Munchkins represented the common people (serfdom), while the emerald city represented Washington and its green-paper money delusion. The Wizard, a charlatan who tricks people into believing he wields immense power, would represent the President. The kiss from the Good Witch of the North is the electoral mandate; Dorothy must destroy the Wicked Witch of the Westthe old West Coast "establishment" (money) with water (the US was suffering from drought). Moreover, "Oz" is the abbreviation for the measuring of these precious metals: ounces.

 

 

 

Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written solely for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.[/hide]

 

 

 

EWWWWWWWWW APUSH :|

 

 

 

I doubt Jagex is going to change the currency lol.

 

Anyways, probably just another red herring. They mention it now, but will forget about it later...

[Lap]

Wizard of Oz was about the Gold Standard. But I guess it could apply to video games as well lol. Jagex is very sneaksy.

 

 

 

[hide=Some History]From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story

 

 

 

Some scholars have theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road). Many other characters and story lines represent identifiable people or circumstances of the day. The wicked witches of the east and west represented the local banks and the railroad industry, respectively, both of which drove small farmers out of business. The scarecrow represents the farmers of the Populist party, who managed to get out of debt by making more silver coinage. The return to bimetalism would increase inflation, thus lowering the real value of their debts. The Tin Woodman represents the factory workers of the industrialized North, whom the Populists saw as being so hard-pressed to work grueling hours for little money that the workers had lost their human hearts and become mechanized themselves. (See Second Industrial Revolution) Toto was thought to be short for teetotaler, another word for a prohibitionist; it should be noted that William Jennings Bryan, the fiery popular candidate (possibly the Lion character) from the Populist Party, was a teetotaler himself. Bryan also fits the allegorical reference to the Cowardly Lion in that he retreated from his support of free silver after economic conditions improved in the late 1890s. However, it has also been suggested the cowardly Lion represented Wall Street investors, given the economic climate of the time. The Munchkins represented the common people (serfdom), while the emerald city represented Washington and its green-paper money delusion. The Wizard, a charlatan who tricks people into believing he wields immense power, would represent the President. The kiss from the Good Witch of the North is the electoral mandate; Dorothy must destroy the Wicked Witch of the Westthe old West Coast "establishment" (money) with water (the US was suffering from drought). Moreover, "Oz" is the abbreviation for the measuring of these precious metals: ounces.

 

 

 

Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written solely for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.[/hide]

 

 

 

Actually, that is untrue. My professor talked about this very subject, turns out the man who first came up with the idea that The Wizard of Oz was about the gold standard admitted it was to him, just a coincidence, and he used it to teach history to his students.

 

 

 

Anywas, on Topic... funny find.

[Omali]

Bounty Hunter

 

Moblising Armies.

 

Then there's the summoning tab being taken, which they have said is not coming back.

 

 

 

Well I...

 

 

 

Oh, and remember the 150th quest?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Touche. Touche indeed. You have hit me where it hurts. The real 150th was supposed to be While Guthix Sleeps, wasn't it? Or has it even been released?

 

 

 

That being said, the RSOF is still majority run by the insane asylum.

[Big_Stingman]

Wizard of Oz was about the Gold Standard. But I guess it could apply to video games as well lol. Jagex is very sneaksy.

 

 

 

[hide=Some History]From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story

 

 

 

Some scholars have theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road). Many other characters and story lines represent identifiable people or circumstances of the day. The wicked witches of the east and west represented the local banks and the railroad industry, respectively, both of which drove small farmers out of business. The scarecrow represents the farmers of the Populist party, who managed to get out of debt by making more silver coinage. The return to bimetalism would increase inflation, thus lowering the real value of their debts. The Tin Woodman represents the factory workers of the industrialized North, whom the Populists saw as being so hard-pressed to work grueling hours for little money that the workers had lost their human hearts and become mechanized themselves. (See Second Industrial Revolution) Toto was thought to be short for teetotaler, another word for a prohibitionist; it should be noted that William Jennings Bryan, the fiery popular candidate (possibly the Lion character) from the Populist Party, was a teetotaler himself. Bryan also fits the allegorical reference to the Cowardly Lion in that he retreated from his support of free silver after economic conditions improved in the late 1890s. However, it has also been suggested the cowardly Lion represented Wall Street investors, given the economic climate of the time. The Munchkins represented the common people (serfdom), while the emerald city represented Washington and its green-paper money delusion. The Wizard, a charlatan who tricks people into believing he wields immense power, would represent the President. The kiss from the Good Witch of the North is the electoral mandate; Dorothy must destroy the Wicked Witch of the Westthe old West Coast "establishment" (money) with water (the US was suffering from drought). Moreover, "Oz" is the abbreviation for the measuring of these precious metals: ounces.

 

 

 

Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written solely for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.[/hide]

 

 

 

Actually, that is untrue. My professor talked about this very subject, turns out the man who first came up with the idea that The Wizard of Oz was about the gold standard admitted it was to him, just a coincidence, and he used it to teach history to his students.

 

 

 

Anywas, on Topic... funny find.

 

 

 

Yeah if you had read more into Wikipedia they state there is controversy. But seriously, that is a freaking HUGE coincidence.

[Flamingboy52]

I heard a saying once: " you can't do anything in life without pissing a few people off".

 

 

 

But I do agree all the broken updates are BS.

[joke33]

I'd think that they may have accidentally stumbled upon the Wizard of Oz effect. I'm pretty sure they were focusing more on developing moralistic stories and spoofing popular media films like "mission impossible"

 

 

 

Nonetheless, nice find. If they did plan this out in the bigger picture, good for them. But honestly, I think the best evidence to find if this was an accident is within the credits of who developed what quest.

 

 

Copied from KB:

 

For "The Curse of Arrav"

 

Development Team

 

Developer: Paul G

 

Graphics: James W, Alex R, Mark B

 

Quality Assurance: Dan G, Dan O'R, Nicola T, James H

 

QuestHelp: Katie B

 

Audio: Iain H, Adam B

 

 

 

For "Dream Mentor"

 

Development Team

 

Developer: Tim C

 

Graphics: Damian C

 

Quality Assurance: Francis B, Christopher E

 

QuestHelp: Stephen R

 

Audio: Adam B

 

 

 

And for "The Great Brain Robbery"

 

Development Team

 

Developer: Anthony W

 

Graphics: Kavi M, Matt M, Paul B, Eoin McD, Giuseppe G

 

Quality Assurance: Alex P, Nigel P

 

QuestHelp: Stephen R

 

Audio: Adam B

[@Dan3HitU]

Definitely very interesting.

 

 

 

So who will the man behind the curtain be?

 

Zaros.

[Rageman192]

The real 150th was supposed to be While Guthix Sleeps, wasn't it? Or has it even been released?

 

 

 

 

Well they said it's still under development a few months ago... And the reason I said "real" was because they hyped up the 150th as a goblin quest so much,that I doubt they released The Chosen Commander as the 150th quest just because the "real" wasn't done yet...

 

 

 

I mean,after they saw how disappointed the players were about the 150th quest,they surprisingly tell us the "real" 150th quest is still under development,and after a few months everyone has forgot about it,and they can bury the whole subject without anyone remembering the "real" one they promised... #-o

[Behind_you0]

I completely agree with Outsanity. Earlier I was on Jagex' side, and I hated all those complainers. But it's a total mess right now.

 

 

 

We get lame, delayed updates that even need fixing afterwards.

 

 

 

Jagex, how could you let it come this far.

[fat_klutz]

They let it come so far because people keep paying. I bet you their growth is still going up at a pretty high rate. I'm not going to pretend I know what Jagex thinks but I would assume they are saying "We must be doing something right". Companies don't change until they are forced too. RWT? They were forced into making that change by credit card companies and such. Getting out of these bad updates? Something is going to have to force them to do it. If you were Jagex would you put 100% of your effort into an update when you can put in 70% and still make the same amount of money??

[SportsGuy]

Wizard of Oz was about the Gold Standard. But I guess it could apply to video games as well lol. Jagex is very sneaksy.

 

 

 

[hide=Some History]From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz#The_Gold_Standard_representation_of_the_story

 

 

 

Some scholars have theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road). Many other characters and story lines represent identifiable people or circumstances of the day. The wicked witches of the east and west represented the local banks and the railroad industry, respectively, both of which drove small farmers out of business. The scarecrow represents the farmers of the Populist party, who managed to get out of debt by making more silver coinage. The return to bimetalism would increase inflation, thus lowering the real value of their debts. The Tin Woodman represents the factory workers of the industrialized North, whom the Populists saw as being so hard-pressed to work grueling hours for little money that the workers had lost their human hearts and become mechanized themselves. (See Second Industrial Revolution) Toto was thought to be short for teetotaler, another word for a prohibitionist; it should be noted that William Jennings Bryan, the fiery popular candidate (possibly the Lion character) from the Populist Party, was a teetotaler himself. Bryan also fits the allegorical reference to the Cowardly Lion in that he retreated from his support of free silver after economic conditions improved in the late 1890s. However, it has also been suggested the cowardly Lion represented Wall Street investors, given the economic climate of the time. The Munchkins represented the common people (serfdom), while the emerald city represented Washington and its green-paper money delusion. The Wizard, a charlatan who tricks people into believing he wields immense power, would represent the President. The kiss from the Good Witch of the North is the electoral mandate; Dorothy must destroy the Wicked Witch of the Westthe old West Coast "establishment" (money) with water (the US was suffering from drought). Moreover, "Oz" is the abbreviation for the measuring of these precious metals: ounces.

 

 

 

Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written solely for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.[/hide]

 

 

 

Actually, that is untrue. My professor talked about this very subject, turns out the man who first came up with the idea that The Wizard of Oz was about the gold standard admitted it was to him, just a coincidence, and he used it to teach history to his students.

 

 

 

Anywas, on Topic... funny find.

 

 

 

I wouldn't believe everything professors say. In fact, all of history and much of archaeology is simply the most popular interpretations of raw data.

 

 

 

Even if FL Baum "admitted" it to someone, it doesn't mean the circumstances surrounding his admission were such that his own words could be trusted. We don't know. None of us can say with absolute certainty.

[Monkeyanniee]

You can try to ignore it, but the fact is that there are hundreds of threads made daily on the RSOF (and lots here on tip it as well) about how Jagex is blundering left and right with almost every update. It's not that people are being greedy, it's that it's seriously been a long time since we've had an update that truly the majority of runescape can either fall in love with or at least admire from a distance. We got the new agility courses (or should I say, extended old ones) and we got the rest feature...but other than these, I haven't seen too many successes. It's either a hit or miss, and while I don't expect Jagex to hit everytime, I expect a lot less misses than we've been given.

 

 

 

The RSOF is a forum full of trolls, 10 year olds, and other uneducated twits who can't comprehend that the development cycle does not revolve around them, and will call for a riot and boycott if Jagex so much as clips a toenail in a fashion they don't like. The Runescape community, at least the vocal minority, do not know what they want, they will continue to contradict themselves, and they will always look for a reason to whine.

 

 

 

*Small update* OMG JAGEX UPDAET TO SMALL!

 

*big update* OMG JAGAX I CANT DO DIS, 2 BIIGGGGG

 

*small quest* OMG AJDSFJ WAEST OF TIEM, POINTKLESS QEST!

 

*big quest* QWTF JAFGAX I DUN WANNA HAFTA DO BIG QUEST, U SUX!

 

 

 

There is no pleasing the RSOF, because there's no pleasing a massive group of angsty preteen crybabies who literally look for any reason at all that they can complain and look like internet badasses.

 

 

 

+1 to everything he said. End of.

[Monkeyanniee]

I completely agree with Outsanity. Earlier I was on Jagex' side, and I hated all those complainers. But it's a total mess right now.

 

 

 

We get lame, delayed updates that even need fixing afterwards.

 

 

 

Jagex, how could you let it come this far.

 

 

 

 

 

Close the RSOF and things would probably get better, well, tbh, you cant get much worse that this sh*thole updates are in now.

 

 

 

They keep catering the mass, the noobs, and bringing out low level, useless crap. They really need to open their eyes and do something before everyone just like gives up.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I completely agree with Outsanity. Earlier I was on Jagex' side, and I hated all those complainers. But it's a total mess right now.

 

 

 

We get lame, delayed updates that even need fixing afterwards.

 

 

 

Jagex, how could you let it come this far.

 

 

 

They're busy creating Mechscape. Sure they say they have seperate teams, but you have to admit that having a year with less content and more upgrades, which if we're honest, aren't nearly as resourse consuming as new content, and they're getting onto the thick of developing a whole new MMO?

 

 

 

As far as transparency goes, Jagex is pretty much the Bush administration of MMO's.

[Outsanity]

The real 150th was supposed to be While Guthix Sleeps, wasn't it? Or has it even been released?

 

 

 

 

Well they said it's still under development a few months ago... And the reason I said "real" was because they hyped up the 150th as a goblin quest so much,that I doubt they released The Chosen Commander as the 150th quest just because the "real" wasn't done yet...

 

 

 

I mean,after they saw how disappointed the players were about the 150th quest,they surprisingly tell us the "real" 150th quest is still under development,and after a few months everyone has forgot about it,and they can bury the whole subject without anyone remembering the "real" one they promised... #-o

 

 

 

Oh, ok. I get what you were saying now. Yeah, you're totally right, too. It could very well be that the goblin quest WAS the real 150th but since the majority (I'm not saying everyone, note my words) of the players weren't impressed with it or it's rewards Jagex decided that they'd tell us that there really was supposed to be a bigger, better quest in its place in order to calm us down.

 

 

 

Either way, no matter what really happened, it's pretty disappointing on Jagex's part and the updates have become so scarce (with sometimes only 2 real updates in 1 month's time) and lame that I literally have given up all expectations on getting good ones and just stick to the existing game. If a good update comes along, I get excited and am, to say the leasy, shocked.

[acowswrath]

We also have bears but no lions and tigers. :wall:

 

And the gnomes could be those munchkin things...whatever theyre called