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[Hedgehog]

What countries do you control?

 

And a lightsaber? Really? No.

 

Its just a prototype.

 

And I control Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and The Canary Islands. I still have some influence in Tunisia, even though Germania controls it now. If necessary, I could cause them to start a revolution.

[Guest]

Well, Burma has done it. We have finished our project - we can now breathe underwater.

 

 

 

First of all, the diver wears a special mask. The mask slowly gathers water, while seperating the oxygen and hydrogen molecules. This slowly accumulates liquid oxygen, which is carried into a tank on the divers back, where it is processed so that it can be breathed normally. The only problem is it can take long periods of time to process the oxygen, so it feels like your breathing through a straw. The mask cannot be used in excess of 30 minutes.

[Hedgehog]

Well, Burma has done it. We have finished our project - we can now breathe underwater.

 

 

 

First of all, the diver wears a special mask. The mask slowly gathers water, while seperating the oxygen and hydrogen molecules. This slowly accumulates liquid oxygen, which is carried into a tank on the divers back, where it is processed so that it can be breathed normally. The only problem is it can take long periods of time to process the oxygen, so it feels like your breathing through a straw. The mask cannot be used in excess of 30 minutes.

 

You would need nitrogen and other things in the air so you don't go crazy. Also, the only way I know of to separate hydrogen and oxygen is through electrolysis. This could be a bit dangerous and expensive. And if you've ever watched Pokemon, you would know that things like that exist.

 

Here's a real-life image of one:

 

[Wisp]

100 million is also completely, completely ridiculous.

 

If you look at the predicted populations for those countries in 2045, you'd end up with a total of about 28 950 000 people.

 

No matter how much propoganda you put out for people to reproduce, no country could possibly have 75 million people in that amount of time. Even if you did somehow do that, your population breakup would be something like this:

 

13 million adults under 40

 

15 million adults over 40

 

75 million kids under 18

 

So in other words, you would be able to pull a few million for an army. Max. But you don't have 100 million, that's ridiculous. with your actual population, which if you did a lot of promoting having kids would be a max of 35 million, you could pull maybe a million troops. If you did anymore, everyone would starve, and if your army was that big, everyone would already have starved, your cities would have fallen into disrepair, no one would do basic tasks, you wouldn't have any exports, you wouldn't be able to pay your soldier, you would get no money whatsoever from taxes, and you would be overthrown.

 

 

 

And hedgehog is right, you'd need nitrogen and all. In reality, I think 3/4 of what we breath is nitrogen, but I could be wrong.

[a_bert]

Japanese citizens are concerned with the size of it's rivals armies and an unexpected boom has increased our national army size to 3.2 million. Training schemes have been initiated in the Philippines and New Guinea which projections indicate will swell our army by up to 500,000 in 2 years.

 

 

 

Our naval fleet has been upgraded, and our ships now move at up to 60 knots. Same goes for our airforce, we've got 120 high tech aircraft that we've recently designed.

[Hedgehog]

100 million is also completely, completely ridiculous.

 

If you look at the predicted populations for those countries in 2045, you'd end up with a total of about 28 950 000 people.

 

No matter how much propoganda you put out for people to reproduce, no country could possibly have 75 million people in that amount of time. Even if you did somehow do that, your population breakup would be something like this:

 

13 million adults under 40

 

15 million adults over 40

 

75 million kids under 18

 

So in other words, you would be able to pull a few million for an army. Max. But you don't have 100 million, that's ridiculous. with your actual population, which if you did a lot of promoting having kids would be a max of 35 million, you could pull maybe a million troops. If you did anymore, everyone would starve, and if your army was that big, everyone would already have starved, your cities would have fallen into disrepair, no one would do basic tasks, you wouldn't have any exports, you wouldn't be able to pay your soldier, you would get no money whatsoever from taxes, and you would be overthrown.

 

 

 

And hedgehog is right, you'd need nitrogen and all. In reality, I think 3/4 of what we breath is nitrogen, but I could be wrong.

 

I redid my calculations, and excluding Tunisia, and still including the Italian refugees from when Germania captured Italy, I came up with: 62 million. This seems a bit more realistic.

 

After recalculating my military, I came up with 5.75 million. Thats subtracting 14 million people under the age of 18, then dividing by 8. This is a fairly good number, but still, if need be, I could pull most of my population into the war and try to kill as many Germanians and Russians before my country falls in ruins.

 

Also, many CN1's are in production in anticipation for war.

[Grim_]

They have also developed a prototype for the worlds first light saber.

 

1. That would be extremely ineffective for anything aside form demolition etc.

 

2. How do you control the laser part of it because it would most likely just go on forever.

 

3. A machine gun would mow down any troops carrying it.

 

4. It would require tremendous amounts of power to have it capable of cutting for just a second.

 

5. Why would you even want that?

[Hedgehog]

They have also developed a prototype for the worlds first light saber.

 

1. That would be extremely ineffective for anything aside form demolition etc. Its a light saber

 

2. How do you control the laser part of it because it would most likely just go on forever. It has something floating at the end to hold the laser in place

 

3. A machine gun would mow down any troops carrying it. I don't intend on equiping my armies with it

 

4. It would require tremendous amounts of power to have it capable of cutting for just a second. So what?

 

5. Why would you even want that? Its a light saber... Why wouldn't I want it?

[Grim_]

Japanese citizens are concerned with the size of it's rivals armies and an unexpected boom has increased our national army size to 3.2 million. Training schemes have been initiated in the Philippines and New Guinea which projections indicate will swell our army by up to 500,000 in 2 years.

 

 

 

Our naval fleet has been upgraded, and our ships now move at up to 60 knots. Same goes for our airforce, we've got 120 high tech aircraft that we've recently designed.

 

Now that people are telling their army sizes I may as well do mine My total population is roughly 350 million people(I love south east asia) of which 5 million is in the infantry/tank army.

 

My Walker forces consist of 350 HAW's and 150 TAW's(each loaded with 2 ICBM's).

 

My Navy consists of 5 aircraft carriers 10 frigates 40 destroyers and 11(non nuclear) submarines.

 

My airforce consists of 10,000 UnMannedRocketFighters with 10,000 accompanying pilots.

 

I have a missile defense system as well which consists of SAM's interceptory ICBM's good old fashioned AA guns Specially modified UMRF's designed to shoot down either ICBM's or enemy aircraft,and finally some "return fire ICBM's"

 

That is my military The only things we have going on is a space project(7 years left)

 

Buying a ship from Doom(How many years left depends on when he decides to start building)

 

Basic production and training of army,navy,and air-force.

 

And most haven projects...

 

@ hedge Exactly What would you use it for?

[Hedgehog]

 

@ hedge Exactly What would you use it for?

 

There is only 1 faulty prototype, so not much now. But when they are completed in around 50 million years, I would probably use it for death matches and pretending to be a jedi.

[frakir_staer]

Still looking for a ship.

[The Dark Lord]

Britannian news:

 

 

 

We have recorded large seismic activity in northern Canada.

 

 

 

The HAV training programme has been successful, and we have people that can pilot these machines.

 

 

 

Canada has anti-missile capabilities around its major cities and bases.

 

 

 

HAV units are continuing to be mass-produced. We are closing in on 800,000 units.

 

 

 

The navy and airforce have been mobilised and are patrolling our airspace and borders.

 

 

 

Scientists on Haven are bored out of their [bleep]ing minds, but they will continue to collaborate with other teams.

[Wisp]

All of our 65 military satellites, and our 12 manufacturing stations are being modernized with new technology. Each of the stations will now house a smaller version of our a-neutronic fusion reactor, providing them with power. All excess power will go into plasma shielding, which will cover an area of a few hundred feet around each station. Also, the stations exteriors are being redesigned to incorporate highly heat resistant reflective materials. This will provide them with a good deal of protection against lasers.

 

Construction of bomb shelters is going well, in two more years it will be complete enough that most people will have a place to go should the need arise.

 

 

 

Our new tank type is still in it's early stages, and our assault rifle, and new line of infantry weapons will be ready in two-three years.

 

New types of countermeasures which will be used for our new tank are also in research stages.

 

 

 

In response to the findenlanders (I think) of weaponizing the h1n1 virus, pandemic preparation is also underway. The h1n1 virus was full mapped years ago, since it's first major outbreak in 2009 sparked a panic, so even a weaponized version of the virus isn't much of a threat.

[Nero]

Alright, I'm just going to ignore the majority of Findenland's post since they're completely ridiculous (19.7 million recruits in a year? Okay...). I have also retracted my offer of compensation for Findenland, since its quite obvious that Findenland wants a war with me for some bizarre reason.

 

25 more Scorpions have been produced, as well as 30 more MAASs. My colony ships are complete, and have been loaded to the brim, and are on their way to Gisele D. The escort ship is staying close by, should its weapon systems be needed for Germania's defense.

 

The bunkers constructed across Germania have been completed, and Germania have reinforced the positions across the coast, in the event of an amphibious assault. The missile shield has also been added to, and now completely covers Germania. AA and SAM batteries are also dotted across Germania (these were built a looong time ago), and the passive radar has been improved again, setting stealth detection rate at nearly 75%.

 

Preperations have also been made in the event of chemical/biological attacks on Germania, and hazmat suits and gas masks have been provided to active units.

[Wisp]

Oh and guys, a lot of people's tank/air force production numbers are ridiculous. Someone said they made 10,000 unmanned fighters. Ok, think of it this way, a Raptor costs 122 million. Unmanned fighters are undoubtedly more advanced, but let's just say they cost a mere 100 million each.

 

10,000 *100 million is a trillion dollars. Throwing that amount around would mean your country would be severely in debt.

 

The USA had only 7500 or so planes in the air force, iirc.

 

And tanks each take about 3 weeks to produce, and you only have so many factories, so you can't pump out 100,000 in a year. Hell, the US only had about 10,000 tanks. Also, making robotic suits (ie: HAW's) would take even longer than tanks, and cost way more, and sere made like 800,000 in a few years. That would bankrupt your country, or throw you so far into debt that you would never get out.

[Grim_]

Oh and guys, a lot of people's tank/air force production numbers are ridiculous. Someone said they made 10,000 unmanned fighters. Ok, think of it this way, a Raptor costs 122 million. Unmanned fighters are undoubtedly more advanced, but let's just say they cost a mere 100 million each.

 

10,000 *100 million is a trillion dollars. Throwing that amount around would mean your country would be severely in debt.

 

The USA had only 7500 or so planes in the air force, iirc.

 

And tanks each take about 3 weeks to produce, and you only have so many factories, so you can't pump out 100,000 in a year. Hell, the US only had about 10,000 tanks. Also, making robotic suits (ie: HAW's) would take even longer than tanks, and cost way more, and sere made like 800,000 in a few years. That would bankrupt your country, or throw you so far into debt that you would never get out.

 

okay i admit that my fighter numbers are ridicules and have been cut down respectively to 2500

 

EDIT: Anyways my production of HAW's take 6 months each but i have 13 factories \

[Seraphi]

I no longer produce tanks, and have a rather small airforce/navy.

 

I also harvest materials and most energy myself, so I don't think I'm going too overboard with my drones, considering 4/5 of all my military factories are dedicated solely to producing and weaponising them.

 

 

 

I'm gearing up for war, should one occur and spill into Aether.

 

I don't like biological warfare, either :|

[Grim_]

I no longer produce tanks, and have a rather small airforce/navy.

 

I also harvest materials and most energy myself, so I don't think I'm going too overboard with my drones, considering 4/5 of all my military factories are dedicated solely to producing and weaponising them.

 

 

 

I'm gearing up for war, should one occur and spill into Aether.

 

I don't like biological warfare, either :|

 

Ross how much do each of your A-2 suits cost?

[The Dark Lord]

tanks. Also, making robotic suits (ie: HAW's) would take even longer than tanks, and cost way more, and sere made like 800,000 in a few years. That would bankrupt your country, or throw you so far into debt that you would never get out.

 

 

 

They aren't HAWs. They are HAVs (Humanoid Assault Vehicles). They cost roughly 80,000 each unit to produce, and I have invested 100 billion over a time-frame of multiple years to produce them, which definitely will not bankrupt my country. They are also much smaller than HAWs since they aren't tanks, but rather a humanoid vehicle that is controlled by humans (one per) inside them. Three years might be a pretty short time-frame to produce them in, yes, but most other countries produce something far-out or ridiculous each year/every few years. I have to exaggerate a little bit to keep up.

 

 

 

To further clear up confusion, HAVs are exo-suits.

[Nero]

Germania has created 2 million new uniforms, which will be revealed at a later date (where's the "muwahaha" emoticon?).

[Wisp]

tanks. Also, making robotic suits (ie: HAW's) would take even longer than tanks, and cost way more, and sere made like 800,000 in a few years. That would bankrupt your country, or throw you so far into debt that you would never get out.

 

 

 

They aren't HAWs. They are HAVs (Humanoid Assault Vehicles). They cost roughly 80,000 each unit to produce, and I have invested 100 billion over a time-frame of multiple years to produce them, which definitely will not bankrupt my country. They are also much smaller than HAWs since they aren't tanks, but rather a humanoid vehicle that is controlled by humans (one per) inside them. Three years might be a pretty short time-frame to produce them in, yes, but most other countries produce something far-out or ridiculous each year/every few years. I have to exaggerate a little bit to keep up.

 

 

 

To further clear up confusion, HAVs are exo-suits.

 

I meant HAV's, I couldn't remember which abbreviation is which.

 

But for reference on how much 80,000 is in military spending, look at this.

 

1 Javelin missile costs 80,000. The launcher costs 125,000. For a shoulder mounted rocket. I find it hard to believe a full exosuit would cost that price.

 

And rocco, the resources to build them would still cost the same or more, and since no one has invested in more efficient production for tanks and the like, no there isn't. And how exactly is your moon base supporting so many people, since there is no air, other than whats inside the buildings.

[Wisp]

Ah ok, it just kind of seemed like more.

 

 

 

And another argument for costs of things being a bit ridiculous is this:

 

As production technology advances, so does the things were making. If I wanted to build a f22 in the game now, it might be cheaper, but if I wanted to build one of my HISF planes (One of the most advanced planes in the game) it would take a lot of money still, even though production tech has improved. In 20 years it might cost less to build a hisf, but to build whatever is new then would still cost a lot.

[RpgGamer]

20 million? Finland and Sweden combined have around 18 million people total. Germania has like 700 million people, and they're army is 35 million. I have around 900 million and my army is about 13 million.

 

Even if you somehow had even 200 million people, 20 million would be about half of those fit for military service, your entire country would starve, basic order would collapse becuase there would be no where near enough people to farm, or do basic necessary jobs. Your national gdp would plummet to nothing, and you wouldn't be able to afford an army. And that's if you had 10x as many people as you actually do.

 

Within my whole country I have almost 100 million people (around 86 million to be more exact). If I had to, I could recruit around 80 million of them into service. If you don't remember, with in my first year of office I made basic military knowledge and training completely mandatory. Most of my 20 million army is in reserves, so I don't have to pay too much. I have around 1 million active.

 

I only intend on using around 5 million, hopefully not that many casualties though.

 

If it makes you happy, I will reduce the number to 10 million.

 

My gdp has always been low because of my mandatory military stuff, but I got a lot more from my Baltic states and the tolls for my bridge. Last time I calculated my gdp I was saddened by the low number, but we have plenty to get by. We sold the plans for the CN1, so we earned a few hundred billion off that deal. That money has since been exhausted, but it got us started in foreign trade, which boomed, and put us in a better position, but still not good. We managed to get a single verde soylante seed before most of them died, so we have many green houses in Helsinki, Terku, and Stockholm to feed around 30 million people for very little. Parts of Lapland are able to grow crops due to the experiments on Haven, so we should have enough to get by.

 

 

 

Also, Finden scientists have altered H1N1 into a very deadly virus. It may or may not end up in shipments to Germania. They have also developed a prototype for the worlds first light saber.

 

 

 

Lightsabers are about as possible as multi-matter teleportation. Not gonna happen. We can't just make energy into a sword, it's not possible. And don't call me out on "realism" because we need to keep some ties to the laws of physics.

 

 

 

Also, if your population is 86mil and you're recruiting 80mil into your army, does that mean you're giving toddlers and infants hand grenades and throwing them into the front lines?

 

 

 

Not that all of that hasn't been resolved anyway...

 

 

 

Luxembourg has established more cloning fascilities and a department of conditioning, to ensure that the people will serve their respective purposes to the fullest extent. Project TerrAvenger will continnue, however little money is being sent to it. I shouldn't have to do it myself if it's an international project.

 

 

 

There was never a rule against biological warfare, so like it or not it's still legal. I'm sure more than one country has a few virus infused weapons up their sleaves.

 

 

 

Alpha human production has increased in favor of Beta production.

 

 

 

Someday I'll profit from my cloning proscess, turing my country into that of Kamino (sort of). This is not open to the public yet, but someday hopefully in the near future.

[Grim_]

Malaysia update: We are beggining the invasion of thailand and diplomatic talks with Laos (both should take 3 years before they come under our grip) Also we have begun outfitting HAW's with rocket launchers capable of launching SAM's anti tank missiles and anti personnel rockets as well as creating a covering for the joints on the HAW that would cover the joints with a layer of steel like a shell but have a gap in the very bottom to allow for movement(This is mainly to protect against incendiary rounds/SED's) It should take 2 years to fully outfit all of my HAW's with those 2 upgrades. Also malaysia has donated 300 billion to project terravenger

[RpgGamer]

Also malaysia has donated 300 billion to project terravenger

 

 

 

I thank you for your generosity! If only other nations would pitch in...

 

That was seriously a lot of money to dump into an international project though. I'm sure it'd be possible if every Haven nation donated like 75bil. Just add water (and wait like a decade) and presto! instant super ship!

 

 

 

(besides we still have to pay for producing these bad boys)