Ralph Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Well, I've seen lots of different views on things in the clan world. Some see good things, bad, and ugly. I want to see the opinion of the people here on Tip.It. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CLAN WORLD? View 1: The clan world is shrinking. After the wilderness went away in 08 I believe, the clan world basically ended until the Clan Wars Arena came into play. Now here is where the disagreement starts. The clan world came back somewhat to this, but it was no alternative to most people. The clan world was at an all-time low with only CWA to sit in. View 2: The clan world is now growing. Not all clans like the wilderness. The clan world is growing due to us now having a safe clan wars arena, free for all portals, and the wilderness to boot. New clans can train in CWA until they are ready to set forth into the wilderness. The clan world has never been as propserous. Personally I agree with View 2, except on a small matter. The clan world isn't so prosperous, because of the relatively new amount of BH/PvP Worlds. If they added some more, I could deffinitely say that the Clan World would prosper enormously, as clans could fight there without being picked off by Massive Opts clans and Top 10's. New clans would survive a lot more then they do now, and the clan world would thrive. Basically I'm wondering what your view on this is and also why is there such a little amount of respect in the clan world, compared to before. Even in the 7 Years War (I believe it's called) Military Commanders would stand and congratulate the other army on their "performance" regardless of whether they won or lost. What happened to the respect in the Clan World, and is it growing or shrinking? I have lived my life to the best of my ability, but I have not been able to escape fate, anger, or pain. Bring me the answers, and the road that leads to truth, reveal to me once and for all, how all of this will end.Shadows cannot exist without the light. But without the shadows, the light has no meaning.[Downfall Forums][Downfall YouTube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_TeamDan Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 The clan world has lost a lot of people. Due to them growing up and moving on in life. Also lack of pvp worlds and the cwa. CWA didn't really shrink it. Infact there are tons of cwa clans in f2p and p2p. But just about anyone can make a clan and the quality lacks. In pvp if you were to make a clan with lacking quality you'd die out easily. Also clan requirements were a lot lower back in the day. This brough more people into the clan world. They learned to love clans and lvl'd up and helped lower lvls do the same. Now days you have the opposite. High lvl requirements to get in. So people who are low lvl'd have little experience/knowledge of the clan world. Infact some people prolly don't know anything about clans and never intend to join one. When I was first playing out I loved seeing clans mass up in edge. Just the sheer mass and organization of them put me into a state of awe. I'm sure I'm missing some points here and there that i have somewhere in my head but for now that's my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizi Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 theres more clans so that means theres smaller weaker clans which we dont know about, which are stuck in clw, fighting 10v10 wars. becuse of clans hunting smaller clans like ni/ph have been doing alot arent able to set foot into pvp. http://rs-downfall.com Join the Community, if you're already in a clan register and become a clan friend!Downfall Since September 6, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 theres more clans so that means theres smaller weaker clans which we dont know about, which are stuck in clw, fighting 10v10 wars. becuse of clans hunting smaller clans like ni/ph have been doing alot arent able to set foot into pvp. Good point Dandaman, and I have to contradict this. Ni/Ph hunt DK for the most part, because DK just crashes. I've no love for any of those clans, but DK's motive has been the worst of all. Clans need to learn to grow themselves into higher opts clans, merging even becomes neccessary sometimes. I have lived my life to the best of my ability, but I have not been able to escape fate, anger, or pain. Bring me the answers, and the road that leads to truth, reveal to me once and for all, how all of this will end.Shadows cannot exist without the light. But without the shadows, the light has no meaning.[Downfall Forums][Downfall YouTube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_TeamDan Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 theres more clans so that means theres smaller weaker clans which we dont know about, which are stuck in clw, fighting 10v10 wars. becuse of clans hunting smaller clans like ni/ph have been doing alot arent able to set foot into pvp. Good point Dandaman, and I have to contradict this. Ni/Ph hunt DK for the most part, because DK just crashes. I've no love for any of those clans, but DK's motive has been the worst of all. Clans need to learn to grow themselves into higher opts clans, merging even becomes neccessary sometimes.I disagree. Merges aren't nescisary. People need to realize there are plenty of clans to join and instead of making one join one. Because there are so many clans like tizi stated all that happens is 10v10s we need more people to join a stable clan. Merges would only create unstable clans and they'd have internal problems. Although it can be done it'd be very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 I don't think the sized has really changed it's just the numbers of clans that's changed. Respect has been lost as clans don't hold themselves to the same standards they used to leading to lower and lower standards of respect. With love to one, friendship to many, and good will to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decebal Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I started clanning in 08, so I don't know much about the "old days". But, imo, right now, the clanning world is stable. Unlike the olden days, as mentioned before, it looks as if back then there were mostly powerhouse clans, and now there are many more clans, with less people in each one. Tbh, CWA helped in getting a few recruits in.... they aren't that good, but it helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_TeamDan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I started clanning in 08, so I don't know much about the "old days". But, imo, right now, the clanning world is stable. Unlike the olden days, as mentioned before, it looks as if back then there were mostly powerhouse clans, and now there are many more clans, with less people in each one. Tbh, CWA helped in getting a few recruits in.... they aren't that good, but it helped.In the old days you could like walk up to someone and start talking to them and get them to join. I don't think CWA helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipwnage4lyfe Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The clan world is pretty bad nowadays, hardly anybody pk's for the fun of it anymore. The wilderness is mostly planned fights now. It's highly likely that you can walk from spiders to greaters and not find a single person. Compared to the amount of ops people used to pull the clan world is a far cry from what it used to be pre-cwa era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaldesor Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The clan world is pretty bad nowadays, hardly anybody pk's for the fun of it anymore. The wilderness is mostly planned fights now. It's highly likely that you can walk from spiders to greaters and not find a single person. Compared to the amount of ops people used to pull the clan world is a far cry from what it used to be pre-cwa era.If your bored of planneds you should join ni. the clan world shrinked from 05 till now , but after CWA/pvp updates it stabilized,imo, it looks like while alot of people are quitting for real life, 141 is bringing alot of people and clans, look at tipit. the wilderness is nothing compared to the old days,that has no discussion tho. person who won the most awards: GeneraldesorRETIRED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix1099 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hmm, The clan world is shrinking because all the people who made clans back in the day are going off to college or realizing "REAL LIFE". Just happened to SE. Our leaders voted and saw that even though there were strong individuals below our main leaders all of them were planning to retire soon because of college or getting bored ect. This left a huge gap in the top 10 and gmt. So basically unless a strong form of players form who step out to Pvp and make new clans that prosper its going to be a rough ending to what was an amazing run for the clan world of runescape. !!!!FUZZY BEAR! THE NEW DEFINITION OF A FACEPALM HAS ARRIVED TO TIP.IT FORUMS BE READY FOR THE BEAR!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyw3000 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 as long as PKM exists, there will be a clan that's alive. we'll outlast the entire clan world, and remain as the one strong clan still standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thiesje Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I have to agree with Jimmy here. Also, the Dutch clanworld has been shrinking lately, but that's because more people move from Dutch clans to international clans. We also get less newcomers because there are less low leveled clans who actually have potential. Animum debes mutare, non caelum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyk47 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 jagex never liked clans b4, they hated the whole pvp warring scene imo. it has changed now they brought clan wars arena in but its still dying. we were without wildy for wat year and half, alot of people who were interested in clanning then would have hated cwa and not liked bh so much, so they quit. back then people grew up on the principles wear full rune to pks, if your 90+ range you range if your 85+ mage you mage, it was alot stricter which led to closer fights. now new people, those who never experienced the old wilderness are told risk full rune or dont come, alot of them dont see the hype of the wilderness and therefore dont come. the older people leave/quit/retire new people dislike the risk casue since they been playing when there was no risk. not sayin all new people dont like wildy, but majority. So alot old school players, whos needs arent being met by cwa will decide to quit and leave for one's that do, as they do, the clans they join get stronger, which effectively makes the previous clans who could match them no longer match them, then the process will be ill join a clan dat wins. which is why there is such a gap between the top 10 and then what would be ranked say 15, pull from those in top 10 would be 70+ people, pull from 15ish would be 30-40 people all this is combined with the fact that there are like 5 worlds to pk on, so pkin with clans is dead, as half the time dere are wars when you wanna pk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmyk Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 How can the clan world advertise itself? The main clans with the most publicity do regular PKRIs and if we ask someone 'Want to voluntarily give up your Saturdays for the next few months?', it's obvious that they will say no. Recruits won't enter into the clan world unless it's profitable and fun. However, with the amounts of flaming and crashing, it's no surprise that new people are electing to stay clear of clans. Proud Retired Council of The GladiatiorzClick here for our website - 110+ F2P Combat Requirements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhotshot Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I don't think its dieing. Just changing in a lot of ways. Now i could right a few paragraphs why, but I won't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Key Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I think thbe PvP aspect is becoming less popular, there are alot of people who play this game for fun and enjoy a win but really don't want to finish things off as quickly as possible or gain every little advantage so as to give themselves the best opportunity whether or not the tactics are distinctly dodgy and then there are people who will do those things to win, cape switching, sending masses of snipers to overwhelm the other clan as soon as possible, crashing their rival clans to try to make them weaker outside of wars between them. I think what is happening is that the people who play for fun are being forced out of PvP, with these tactics the focus is now completely competitive, if you don't win then you get nothing, there is no fun and there is very little pride. Clan wars seems to be the sanctuary from that, it is for people who aren't interested about making other people lose their stuff and are more interested in having a good fight and enjoying having a good fight. I used to love PKRI's but with this change of focus I can no longer stand them. Anyway what has happened to the clan world is that it has split. The PKing clans on RSC get all the exposure and so people notice that there are less clans about that are doing PKRI's and think "wow the clan world is dieing" and then you have the people on tipit which is based around CWA who realise that there are still alot of very decent clans about who aren't so well known but are thriving in CWA. Do you want to love me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I've had this on my mind for a while now. The future of the clan world seems quite bleak in my eyes. It's quite true that the number of members in the clan world are shrinking. Look at when SE closed, for example. Almost 40 high leveled top clannners retired immediately. This poses a serious problem. For quite some time now, more members have been retiring than new members coming in.With the current attitude of the top clans, It's unsuprising. All the crashing, hacking, scamming, ddosing, flaming, and uncapped pk run-ins hardly make the world of top clans appealing to those just starting out. Compound that with the fact that most top clans won't accept members without previous clan experience and it makes for quite the problem.I really wonder how much longer the clan world can survive - I don't see things getting better, and with Jagex starting to focus more and more on Stellar Dawn things are looking bleak. Many clan members say they won't go to SD from RS, but its inevitable that some will go, and that will only serve to put the clan world in a slump more and more. Good luck rebuilding clan world ;) "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plazaskater Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The clan world is coming to an end as we know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 I'm really enjoying the posts I'm seeing here. People putting in lots of effort to there answers. Now I have a new question for you, gonna put it in big letters so people see it.WHAT CAN JAGEX DO TO HELP AND REBUILD THE CLAN WORLD? WHAT ARE JAGEX DOING WRONG RIGHT NOW FOR THE CLAN WORLD? Answer these questions too now please :D I have lived my life to the best of my ability, but I have not been able to escape fate, anger, or pain. Bring me the answers, and the road that leads to truth, reveal to me once and for all, how all of this will end.Shadows cannot exist without the light. But without the shadows, the light has no meaning.[Downfall Forums][Downfall YouTube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhotshot Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 WHAT CAN JAGEX DO TO HELP AND REBUILD THE CLAN WORLD? Nothing, they're the ones who ruined it. WHAT ARE JAGEX DOING WRONG RIGHT NOW FOR THE CLAN WORLD? Updating Runescape wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I've had this on my mind for a while now. The future of the clan world seems quite bleak in my eyes. It's quite true that the number of members in the clan world are shrinking. Look at when SE closed, for example. Almost 40 high leveled top clannners retired immediately. This poses a serious problem. For quite some time now, more members have been retiring than new members coming in.With the current attitude of the top clans, It's unsuprising. All the crashing, hacking, scamming, ddosing, flaming, and uncapped pk run-ins hardly make the world of top clans appealing to those just starting out. Compound that with the fact that most top clans won't accept members without previous clan experience and it makes for quite the problem.I really wonder how much longer the clan world can survive - I don't see things getting better, and with Jagex starting to focus more and more on Stellar Dawn things are looking bleak. Many clan members say they won't go to SD from RS, but its inevitable that some will go, and that will only serve to put the clan world in a slump more and more. Good luck rebuilding clan world ;) WG has no problems with those issues that's an issue of Top 10 not smaller clans so maybe the Top 10 is the one shrinking and the members of the clan world will be more spread out so a weaker top 10. And what is Stellar Dawn and where does it come in to Jagex? Thought Mechscape was the next big thing. With love to one, friendship to many, and good will to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhotshot Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I've had this on my mind for a while now. The future of the clan world seems quite bleak in my eyes. It's quite true that the number of members in the clan world are shrinking. Look at when SE closed, for example. Almost 40 high leveled top clannners retired immediately. This poses a serious problem. For quite some time now, more members have been retiring than new members coming in.With the current attitude of the top clans, It's unsuprising. All the crashing, hacking, scamming, ddosing, flaming, and uncapped pk run-ins hardly make the world of top clans appealing to those just starting out. Compound that with the fact that most top clans won't accept members without previous clan experience and it makes for quite the problem.I really wonder how much longer the clan world can survive - I don't see things getting better, and with Jagex starting to focus more and more on Stellar Dawn things are looking bleak. Many clan members say they won't go to SD from RS, but its inevitable that some will go, and that will only serve to put the clan world in a slump more and more. Good luck rebuilding clan world ;) WG has no problems with those issues that's an issue of Top 10 not smaller clans so maybe the Top 10 is the one shrinking and the members of the clan world will be more spread out so a weaker top 10. And what is Stellar Dawn and where does it come in to Jagex? Thought Mechscape was the next big thing. Mechspace was only the code name for Stellar Dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGwas Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Only thing Jagex can do is bring back the wilderness. Currently in: Echo Of Silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny_TeamDan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 WHAT CAN JAGEX DO TO HELP AND REBUILD THE CLAN WORLD?See my post on Illusion boards silly. Once it's finished I'll post on fansites. WHAT ARE JAGEX DOING WRONG RIGHT NOW FOR THE CLAN WORLD? They aren't really doing anything wrong they are just focusing on other things which happen to affect us [ the clan world ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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