unkn0wnwarrior Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Gustavsson can play well. For whatever reason, he didn't this year. Next year, he could be back to the level he was at last year during his win streak. Only time will tell which one we get. And those Oilers wins were a bit surprising, but I knew they'd get one of the two at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Gawd you Leaf fans are a thick lot. I swear. Gustavsson is NOT an NHL goalie. Get it? HE. IS. NOT. AN. NHL. GOALIE. He never will be an NHL goalie. The Leafs don't need a tandem of second-rate goaltending. They need a bona fide starter and a back up. Gustavsson is not even good enough to play back-up. He should be bought out of his contract and sent back packing to the Euro-leagues where his bum ticker can handle playing a 25-game season. End of story. Stop putting faith in this dog. Burke screwed the pooch with this one. Between Gustavsson and the Kessel deal, the Leafs won't be winning a Cup for another decade. At least. Now Reimer MAY be an NHL starting goalie it will all depend on how well he does with a full-season under his belt next season. It's not a lot to see a goalie win 20 games in 34 especially during the latter half of the season. The question is whether or not that same goalie can win 40 games in 68 starts. THAT is the determinator. If not - then he's just another back up tender. As such, the Leafs are still left with the dilemma do they pursue a bona fide "starter", or a solid back up? - OR - Do they spend one of their draft picks this season and pick up a potential starter and keep "rebuilding"? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 i know everything Ok. The wise course of action is definitely to give up on a goalie who's played only 65 nhl games in his career. I don't know what team you cheer for but I doubt they do that with all their prospects. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Lol...yguy: justin pogge called, apparently he doesn't agree with what you just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 i know everything Ok. The wise course of action is definitely to give up on a goalie who's played only 65 nhl games in his career. I don't know what team you cheer for but I doubt they do that with all their prospects. http://www.goaliesarchive.com/leafs/index.html Clemmenson played 6 games. They didn't re-sign him. Pogge played 7 NHL games. They traded him. Cousineau played 15 games. They let him go. Aubin played 31 games. They let him go. Peter Ing played 59 games. They let him go. Tim Bernhardt played 61 games. They let him go. Shall I continue? Really? I can if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 missing my pointMy point is that that is NOT a good idea. Lets give Gustavsson a real chance, like we should have done with all the others. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 There's a difference between gustavvson though and many of the others. In the case of the others, many of them only played their games during 1 season, and were let go before toronto really saw their potential (especially clemmenson). Gustavvson's been there for 2 seasons, which, although it may be small, is still enough time to showcase his abilities, or 'lack of'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 There's a difference between gustavvson though and many of the others. In the case of the others, many of them only played their games during 1 season, and were let go before toronto really saw their potential (especially clemmenson). Gustavvson's been there for 2 seasons, which, although it may be small, is still enough time to showcase his abilities, or 'lack of'.I agree, to an extent. Many players have terrible second seasons and come into their own in the third. That's why for cautions sake I'd prefer to not give up on players before three. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 True, but many of those players tend to have at least decent first seasons. Gustavvson has had 2 back-to-back mediocre seasons. And with goalies being easy to get/cheap, it's usually better to get rid of a mediocre goalie for another rather than putting faith in the slim chance of him changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 True, but many of those players tend to have at least decent first seasons. Gustavvson has had 2 back-to-back mediocre seasons. And with goalies being easy to get/cheap, it's usually better to get rid of a mediocre goalie for another rather than putting faith in the slim chance of him changing.His first season really wasn't that bad though. Not great no, but not bad. The leafs have two other goalies in the farm who might be nhl calibre, they can fall back on one of those if Gustavsson fails. I'd just prefer to be sure this time around. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Prefer to be sure? It's a sure fact that if gustavvson had a .500 record or better, then the leafs would've been in the playoffs both last season and this season. The leafs need a proven number one goaltender. Reimer's only played one season, so he's out. Gustavvson sucks, so he's out. Conklin/vokoun can be obtained in the off-season, as can a bunch of proven number ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Prefer to be sure? It's a sure fact that if gustavvson had a .500 record or better, then the leafs would've been in the playoffs both last season and this season. The leafs need a proven number one goaltender. Reimer's only played one season, so he's out. Gustavvson sucks, so he's out. Conklin/vokoun can be obtained in the off-season, as can a bunch of proven number ones.You seem very confident Conklin will solve their problems...he was placed on waivers by STL and nobody took him. Once again, I don't believe we can know Gustavsson isn't good enough yet. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I seem confident because everyone knows he's good. The reason that noone took him is because with the way the playoff races were, the teams not in the playoffs either already had good number ones (in the case of carolina/calgary), or have good prospects (in the case of edmonton, minny, and atlanta). In the case of gustavvson, it isn't a matter of keeping him to see if he pans out, it's getting rid of the pooch that screwed your team's playoff hopes two years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Bad game. Not really suprised, probably resting now. Although, as an aside, Phil Kessel, the worst player on the leafs, talentless, and destined for the AHL next year sets a new high in assists and points this year, not to mention a personal record for goals as a leaf, all while playing with Tyler Bozak as his center. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Personal record for goals as a leaf? It was his first season with them. Should be interesting how the off-season goes, seeing as jersey/atlanta only really need minor changes to make their teams the best in the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Personal record for goals as a leaf? It was his first season with them. Should be interesting how the off-season goes, seeing as jersey/atlanta only really need minor changes to make their teams the best in the east.It was his second season with them. Don't see atlanta being anywhere close to being best in the East. NJ has a rapidly approaching goalie dilemma but other than that sure. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Atlanta has a bunch of young rookies, a bunch of picks, and did pretty well during the middle of the season. Provided jersey picks up a rookie goalie, then they should be fine too. Kessel, big woop, he sets a 'personal record'. He's still a semi-good player on a team that's had no past, present, or future playoff hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Atlanta has a bunch of young rookies, a bunch of picks, and did pretty well during the middle of the season. Provided jersey picks up a rookie goalie, then they should be fine too. Kessel, big woop, he sets a 'personal record'. He's still a semi-good player on a team that's had no past, present, or future playoff hopes. This is getting ridiculous. Atlanta was good at the beginning. By January they started to fall off. You realize you basically just described toronto, right? Atlanta has a bunch of young rookies, a bunch of picks, and did pretty well during the middle of the season. Toronto: Rookies: Kadri, Reimer, Aulie. Prospect wise the list is too long to bother writing here.Toronto has the more picks in this upcoming draft then any other team. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 I just described toronto? Really? Because from what I remember seeing, toronto and atlanta were the complete opposite teams. Toronto may have more picks, but they're still waaaay behind the rebuilding/playoff progress of atlanta. That and atlanta has actually seen the playoffs in the last few years. Furthermore, I'd be up for moving all this 'tml' talk to a completely new thread. The constant fights in this thread between blyaunte and yguy are getting too annoying, not to mention ludicrous. If we want to discuss every little pebble/problem in toronto, then let's open a new thread and take all of it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Yguy - it's abundantly clear that either: 1. You know sweet [bleep] all about hockey; and/or2. You're trolling. You're either NOT listening or you're reading IMPAIRED. Considering the fact that you're a die-hard leafs fan, I'd wager on one over the other. Gustavvson's an albatross around Burke's neck. Right now, he's making $1.35M a year to play minor league hockey. He was a .500 NHL goalie last season – THIS season he stunk the league out with a 6/13/2 record and a GAA of 3.29. His save percentage was under .900. ... and you're completely overlooking the fact that Gustavvson's got a "ticky" heart. He's had FOUR surgeries in the past two years alone. Hell – no sooner was he sent down to the Marlies that they had to do MORE surgery. He's not only a poor goaltender, but a poor health risk. Given his on-going health issues, he is NEVER going to be able to provide you the 61+/- starts that you need from a #1 tender. Nor will he likely EVER be able to provide you with sufficient QUALITY starts to even be a decent back up. You don't need three seasons to know that he's a piece of crap costing you too much money that you don't need to be spending. –===-- Oh and gratz to Phil Kessel on his bestest season ever. Playing on the Leaf's second line against other team's secondary defensive pairings and matchups, he managed a whopping 60+ points this season – while amassing the 869th WORST +/- rating in the NHL. 869th against secondary level players. Wow! You're right Yguy – Kessel is a [bleep]ing superstar! What a maroon ... :rolleyes: 869th worst +/- ... Seriously – do you even understand what that means? It means that every time Kessel steps on the ice he is a LIABILITY. Period. A $5.4M per season cap-hit liability. It means that, despite amassing 60+ points this year – he still managed to give-up MORE goals against him than he GENERATED. There's 868 guys in the NHL, the vast majority of them making less money, who aren't as big a LIABILITY as Phil Kessel. ... and you know what's hilarious? Truly hilarious? Kessel's stats are, career-wise so far, not even a GOOD as the greatest wash-out in NHL history: Alexander Daigle. ... and somehow, you can sit there and pretend that we "cannot" know if three top picks would pan out as better hockey players than the 869th liability in the NHL this season ... Seriously? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 And the weirdest part is that if he had a .500 record, then the leafs would've made the playoffs. Blyaunte, congrats, you summarized the past 4 pages of useless arguing into one wall of (yguy is an idiot-insults) text... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 And the weirdest part is that if he had a .500 record, then the leafs would've made the playoffs. Blyaunte, congrats, you summarized the past 4 pages of useless arguing into one wall of (yguy is an idiot-insults) text... Yes, I am sorry that I am getting insulting, but this is literally like trying to lead a horse to water and making him drink. I've never seen anyone so obviously blind and ill-informed about the team and players he claims he supports. MOST Leafs fans will concede that Gustavvson and Kessel were bad moves -- it takes a particularly dense one to ignore all the obvious facts staring them in the face. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Naw, I'm not mad at you blyaunte. I just find this entire thing funny. There's been a huuge playoff race in the west going on for the past month, and all this thread has focused on is a cruddy non-playoff contending team. Let's continue this talk with the islanders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blyaunte Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Naw, I'm not mad at you blyaunte. I just find this entire thing funny. There's been a huuge playoff race in the west going on for the past month, and all this thread has focused on is a cruddy non-playoff contending team. Let's continue this talk with the islanders! Well, the Islanders went to hell in a handbasket when ... Oh, wait, I see what you did there. :shame: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foursideking Posted April 7, 2011 Share Posted April 7, 2011 Bazinga! /sheldon cooper/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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