Random fact:

There's enough gold in the Earth's crust to cover it's surface knee-deep.

Of course not. Who said the hospitals are closing and the police are forced to lay off officers? I sorta didn't read your post when I was all hyped up, since I didn't think it really mattered.

 

Besides, the 1% is completely free according to the system, so it's definitely responsible to spend like crazy with that.

Retech with a smaller overall budget obvouisly things are having to streamline. When you don't spend money it gets spent on other things to keep the economy ticking over.

Japan is still wealthier than before, so even though it was a recession, it doesn't really mean that it's going down. GDP of Japan alone increased a decent amount, and a recessionary period might do some harm, but it doesn't mean that the country is going backwards. It's just stagnant for the moment, which is normal for an industrialised country. After all, how rich can you possibly get?

Errr...People get used to a certain standard...which increases with time because everywhere is always underfunded from perfect...increasing is easy, but decreasing is hard.

 

Example... A hospital might have had 20 doctors in 2009, 28 doctors before the ICBM attack, and 25 now... Its more than it was, but the stress level has gone through the roof because in 2009 they were treating 2000 patients, 3,000 before the ICBM attack and 3,200 now...

 

Its just common sense...

But that still doesn't mean hospitals are closing.

Why would the Japanese state have to pay for the doctors? The Japanese medical system relies on the fact that each procedure costs a certain amount, and that is basically it. The thing is that the Japanese health care system was already good. It didn't need any improvement, and it was cheap. Health care costs would stay about the same in good times and bad times, so why would doctors be laid off? There's plenty of money to pay the doctors that were there in 2009, and the ICBM attack would've been resolved rather quickly. Normally with big things like that, the effects are more immediate than long term. It's been two or three years since the attack?

 

Here's my example: 20 doctors in 2009, 20 doctors before attack, 20 now. In the few months after the attack, the medical system would've been loaded with victims. That's where the government steps in, as do other aid organizations like the Red Cross and Doctors without borders. Then when their injuries are treated, or they die (as so happens as a result of weapons), then they leave the health care system and there's no harm done.

 

Basically, health care system was already good so it didn't need improvement. Sustaining the level of care would've been great already.

Plus I sent over 20,000 relief workers and troops, which helped immediately after the attack.

Plus I sent over 20,000 relief workers and troops, which helped immediately after the attack.

 

Thanks Doom! :D

Right...So you have been increasing trade and production and population, without any increase to the healthcare system, or any other public sector jobs...which means that GDP would not rise, since you would be hoarding that money...

 

 

Lets say that the healthcare budget was something like 50 Billion a year in 2009. Before the ICBM attack it is 65 Billion a year. Now it is 45.5 Billion a year.

So obvouisly, unless it happens that Japan is operating an American style healthcare system, in which case replace healthcare with police service, the level of service has decreased markedly by 19.5 Billion dollars.

If you say that is 50 Hospitals, then its 50 hospitals closed, or 20 hospitals closed and everywhere else loses a couple of doctors.

 

The point is that the level of service provided has decreased by a massive amount, relative to what had been expected. Wait times increase, at the very least, with the laying off of numerous minor members of staff.

 

 

I mean it would be like going into work and being told 'We are giving you a 30% pay cut, now can you polish my new sports car...Oh, its part of my expenses, that has decreased too, but I can still afford it, so its alright...yes, I know you need the money for your sick mother, but if you look at the figures, you can see we have all suffered by the same amount. Oh, and by the way, your salary will be 5% smaller tommrow as well.'

I think I get what Archi is saying.

 

It's like saying, for a while you had a job that paid for £1000 a month, got a promotion, now your at £1750, business goes through a rough patch, now your at £1300, but you were now accustomed to the £1750 budget, and have to make cuts on certain thing.

Right...So you have been increasing trade and production and population, without any increase to the healthcare system, or any other public sector jobs...which means that GDP would not rise, since you would be hoarding that money...

 

 

Lets say that the healthcare budget was something like 50 Billion a year in 2009. Before the ICBM attack it is 65 Billion a year. Now it is 45.5 Billion a year.

So obvouisly, unless it happens that Japan is operating an American style healthcare system, in which case replace healthcare with police service, the level of service has decreased markedly by 19.5 Billion dollars.

If you say that is 50 Hospitals, then its 50 hospitals closed, or 20 hospitals closed and everywhere else loses a couple of doctors.

 

The point is that the level of service provided has decreased by a massive amount, relative to what had been expected. Wait times increase, at the very least, with the laying off of numerous minor members of staff.

 

 

I mean it would be like going into work and being told 'We are giving you a 30% pay cut, now can you polish my new sports car...Oh, its part of my expenses, that has decreased too, but I can still afford it, so its alright...yes, I know you need the money for your sick mother, but if you look at the figures, you can see we have all suffered by the same amount. Oh, and by the way, your salary will be 5% smaller tommrow as well.'

 

Or wealth and trade rise, but population does not. The government keeps the same high level public service it usually has, and pays down the deficit and other expenditures which are optional, like building libraries and museams. Oh yes, and the infrastructure projects.

 

Health care budget, let's say starts at 50 billion. It rises to an impressive high of 50 billion, and after the ICBM attacks, the budget is still 50 billion, since the one time expenditures of the past decade happened to be concluded, and the treasury could afford the budget still.

 

The level of service during the months after the ICBM probaly decreased, considering there were more wounded. That is because there were more wounded, not a decrease in funding. Like I said before, nothing never had to increase and nothing ever had to decrease.

 

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It's like a family of 4 buying food. Then they get richer and buy a sports car because they have money lying around. Then they need some more money, but it's okay because they finished paying off the sports car.

I think I get what Archi is saying.

 

It's like saying, for a while you had a job that paid for £1000 a month, got a promotion, now your at £1750, business goes through a rough patch, now your at £1300, but you were now accustomed to the £1750 budget, and have to make cuts on certain thing.

 

That's true, but it's not about getting a promotion. It's more about the fact that the healthcare was already in tip top shape, and didn't need further improvement. The surplus money from the prosperity went into infrastructure and museums and libraries and music halls and parks and all that nice stuff. So you are already paying for the healthcare that's good, but you had extra. Now you go down a bit, which is like how rich you were three years ago, and you still have all that funding for the healthcare, since Japan didn't suddenly drop a buncha GDP and go back to below 2009 levels.

Oh right...Stagnation it is.

 

Japan doesn't give any promotions, don't have any sort of reward scheme...it just plods along with the same tired people in the same tired jobs with the occational death or retirement to shuffle up the ladder...no new projects to inspire people...Just another library, on another street corner...which has now shut down...

 

Japan's great legacy 'Here we Stand, We Achieved Nothing.'

Oh right...Stagnation it is.

 

Japan doesn't give any promotions, don't have any sort of reward scheme...it just plods along with the same tired people in the same tired jobs with the occational death or retirement to shuffle up the ladder...no new projects to inspire people...Just another library, on another street corner...which has now shut down...

 

Japan's great legacy 'Here we Stand, We Achieved Nothing.'

 

Well Japan's healthcare system is already top of the line, so it's like everyone is driving around in Mercedes-Benz cars and drinking from gold goblets, eating like kings. I thought we were talking about healthcare. What do "projects" have to do anything?

 

The Library thing was about construction, which is much more costly than maintanance. Besides, think about this.

 

GDP of Japan in 2009: 5 trillion

GDP of Japan (only Japan, not Federation as a whole) before ICBM strike: 10 trillion

GDP of Japan after ICBM strike: 9 trillion

Population increase: 2-3% (Not including Immigration from Federation)

 

I'm pretty sure that the 9 trillion is higher than 5 trillion by a considerable amount.

 

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Besides, there's nothing much to improve in Japan. World class infrastructure, health care, education system, cities, you name it. I think what you're talking about is the United States, which actually has things to improve on. Like health care...

Sigh...

Clearly I am never gonna get through to you. I might just impose some rioting or something because I can't be stuffed to do the pointlessly long arguement which gets us nowhere...How would you feel about South Japan declaring independance?

How about this, the number of doctors/hospital goes from 30 to 29. People have to occasionally wait in the ER for a few minutes more.

 

Can we give Retech a break? We get it. He took over Indonesia, and South Korea. Ross, you also wanted Indonesia, you just didn't get it first, and then he gave you part of his land. Rocco, you and Retech just have a mutual feud I guess. Dungeonal, not sure why you even were involved, but I might have missed something. Archi, I know you're the moderator, but considering you have a country that once paid (not sure about now) paid people in buttons, with no noticeable downsides, I think you need to give him a break.

Could it be that retech essentially kicked dungeonal out of the game last round?

Retech was planning an attack on me, so I have the right to be angry and kick up a fuss everytime something happens. Kind of.

Nah, its me getting it out of my system more than anything else.

The problem I have with Retech is that his economy is in recession, and he is throwing around billions of dollars in building spaceship funds, and funds for doing this, funds for doing that and funds for doing the other.

Most people would step down a little bit and just go with an 'Ok, I'll not have a finger in every pie for a while'...Like I did after I lost my P-Jet and was forced to pay my people in buttons because I didn't believe in having an economy any more...But Retech just carries on as though nothing happened, and then says that his economy grows without him investing money in anything except building works, which have somehow amounted to 5 Trillion Dollars a year, and about 64 Trillion Dollars since 2009. The 1% a year system is seriously screwed when he can engage in every research project he can think of without a care in the world...not only that but he can spend money abroad and then get it back in his own country...

The whole thing is just oversimplifed and he takes advantage of it completely.

I don't know how big the pods are. Assuming they are the size of an ocean going supertanker....About .5 Gigatonnes, 550 Megatonnes or 550,000 Tonnes.

 

Now, Britian, in 1990, produced 10,000,000 Tonnes of Steel...So even in a team of 4 those pods will only bring back 1/5th of the Iron for one small scale producer.

Globably:

1,343,000,000 tonnes of steal are produced annually in 2007.

Thus Turkey would have only, at max, .09% of the global output, which is actually .02%, since you would have a shipment every 4 years, not every year.

Of course I'm not carrying on like nothing happened. It's just that the recession isn't nearly as bad as everyone thinks, especially now that the sharp downturn is over and it's mainly stagnant. The GDP drop was equal to the growth for a bit less than 3 years. That's not the super serious recession that you're talking about here, with the slashing of everything. The only slashing would be like asking police officers to only use two cushions on their squad car seats, instead of three.

 

The spaceship funds came from the old spaceship project. There is nothing new there. It's just that you're switching focuses on research. Economies naturally grow over time (like I was saying before, but I guess it's because we have different opinions on economics. However, the massive GDP crunch that you predict has failed to materialize in the real world). Lots of the money also went to deficit reduction, which was a big problem for Japan in 2009. Currenly, the deficits is about 10-20% of GDP, which is a manageable amount. And remember, the government doesn't have a budget of the entire GDP, that would be ridiculous. The government DOES have the money however, for infrastructure projects (the infrastructure was already good, but bridges and things can always be better), and it will maintain its public services, since it has the money.

 

The 1% system is much better than the spreadsheet system, where according to you, Switzerland had a budget surplus greater than that of Japan. That was just bogus. A large country would logically have more things going on in research than a small country. For example, the United States has all these defence contracters working every which way to develop weapon systems that go nowhere.

 

At first I was going at research with, okay, I have to put 10 billion here and 10 billion here, and I'll get good result from that. Then I look over and see Australia and Turkey spending 1 billion at most for a project, and they get it done in the exact same amount of time and the same results as my 10 billion dollar project. So that's where I decided, why not have 10 different billion dollar projects. That would certainly be fair.

 

If you would like to develop a simple and effective system that does not involve people putting numbers into spreadsheets that are not facts, then people can work with that. Until then, I'm going with the 1% system, which undervalues budget. I recall the time when I plugged numbers into the spreadsheet, and I came out with an 800 billion surplus. That just doesn't make any sense at all, and is easily exploitable. With the 1% system, it can be exploited, but everyone can exploit it equally and it will turn out fairer than a spreadsheet.

Of course actually building those will take far more money than you'll get back in the next 1,000 years.

Of course actually building those will take far more money than you'll get back in the next 1,000 years.

Pssh. Efficiency is no object. SPACE EXPLORATION FTW

 

Maybe you'll find the Space Nigerians from the last game. :rolleyes:

Well rather a lot has been going on...

Owing to global warming the world's GDP has begun decreasing, or rather the rate that it is growing is decreasing.

Power consumption is going up in the winter and summer as people try to keep warm/cold.

Deaths from Cancer, Freezing to death and such have increased, leading to an overal increase in the number of deaths per year.

Further more algae fuel is losing its dynamic growth, with decreases in the refining process, caused by a general decrease in quality.

There has been an increase in the number of airplane crashes and freak storms.

Flooding has been reported in many of the Pacific Islands, in Europe, Florida and South East America, Bangladesh, Egypt and other areas which are close to sea level.

Mass Famine as crops across the planet fail

 

 

Simplfied:

All GDP rates decrease by an extra .5(All figures are based on the % growth a nation currently has. So if you had 2% before you now have 1.5% by this rule)

GDPs of nations which border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean, decreases by an extra .5

Britian, France, Germany, Spain, Dutch Territory, Scandinavia, India, and Japan all decrease by an extra .2

America and SATO decreases by an extra .4

Bangladesh and Egypt decreases by an extra 1.2

All nations with a booming trade system decrease by an extra .3

Argent nations increase by .1(Offset by being mostly in land)

Dollar nations decrease by and extra .6(Due to civil war in America, and flooding)

Nations with a PPP above 5,000 decrease by an extra .1

Nations with a population over 12 Million decrease by an extra .3

Nations with a population over 50 Million decrease by an extra .3

Nations with a population over 100 million decrease by an extra .2

Nations with a population over 500 million decrease by an extra .5

Nations with a country in Africa increase by an extra .4

All Pacific Islands are partly submerged(pending a depth map being found).

Population growth rates have been decreased by 1.5

Population growth rates for all countries that border the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean have decreased by an extra .5

All spacecraft, based on Earth, have a 75% chance to being destroyed during takeoff due to atomspheric interference(pending research)

 

This is from now on(sorry for the large increase, I meant to start it in 2020 but got sidetracked), if someone reminds me in 2030 I will crank it up again, same with 2036, 2040, 2045, 2050 and 2056.