Oh, and I was trying to ease into the new currency over a period of time, but I just misunderstood it because economics is obviously not my strong point and never will be... I thought that the global problems would be immediate.

 

The new currency was supposed to be somewhere between the Pound Sterling and the US Dollar.

 

Oh, and I get enough resources right now to sustain my nation for a while. I was trying to ease more into the European market anyway.

 

Oh, and I'm gone for tonight for real now. I just got finished with a jog and decided to screw around on the net before taking a bath and going to bed. :lol:

Can we just abandon this economic [cabbage] yet? It's getting annoying and is unrealistic.

If America dumped the dollar and adopted a new currency, they would drop to the most dis-trusted nation, and I doubt that the UN would be happy about it. The world market would be [bleep]ed, and the middle east/south america wouldn't sell any oil to the US. Buh-bye transportation, and the military for that matter. With all the environmentalist nutjobs in America, you wouldn't be able to do offshore drilling, and oil reserves would only last for a short time. In the meantime the public is in a mass panic, riots begin, people fight over gas, and you have to deal with some major unrest. Also, all the nations that have US bonds are going to be furious, and I honestly couldn't tell you what they would do. Since many nations have already trade-embargoed you, the wal-mart generation of America is going to be pissed. Yep, Wal-mart, the store that was selected as the best representation of the US. Without the factories and cheap labor overseas, you are going to have to start making your own products. Even I would like to see more US-made goods, but the fact is that many people love their low prices more than who is doing the work. Once you cut out the cheap labor, prices go up, and people become unhappy. You said that you changed currencies because it was the last option due to interest on the federal debt, but Retech and I agreed that it would be lowered so you could eventually re-pay it. Remember that? Huh.

 

Archi I can't possibly understand how a country without a currency would work. What are you going to do, barter? Even if you establish some psuedo-communism, your nation is going to plummet. People will do the bare minimum if the state "provides" for labor. Remember Russia? They had the heaviest cars during the USSR, becuase their labor quota had to deal with the weight. These quotas DONT WORK. If you provide your citizens with a quota of work for whatever they are making, they are going to find the easiest way out of it. No currency = no incentives or entrepreneurs. How are you going to do research for your floating tanks then, or your moon base? People don't give a damn if they don't get their money to spend on products they want! The government can't provide for the wants of the people due to the diversity of what people want.

 

@Rocco: The Arab league doesn't even include Turkey...

On top of that, Turkey has become increasingly secular in the modern times, and has begun to step away from it's muslim roots. If you think you can become a unified middle east because Turkey was once under Islam, you need to check your sources. On top of that, the middle-east is far from unified, and even the muslim nations have their own quarrels. Just look at Iran and Saudi-Arabia.

 

So I ask, can we please stop this game from becoming some economic war? I honestly was more entertained at the annex-fest, because people were witty and doing funny [cabbage] to each other. I want to be nuking Russia, not arguing about who is the leader in the new world market.

Agreed!

Archi I can't possibly understand how a country without a currency would work. What are you going to do, barter? Even if you establish some psuedo-communism, your nation is going to plummet. People will do the bare minimum if the state "provides" for labor. Remember Russia? They had the heaviest cars during the USSR, becuase their labor quota had to deal with the weight. These quotas DONT WORK. If you provide your citizens with a quota of work for whatever they are making, they are going to find the easiest way out of it. No currency = no incentives or entrepreneurs. How are you going to do research for your floating tanks then, or your moon base? People don't give a damn if they don't get their money to spend on products they want! The government can't provide for the wants of the people due to the diversity of what people want.

 

Nationalism was missing in the USSR... Switzerland, being fiercely nationalistic, wants Switzerland to succeed.

Entrepreneurs are useless in this game...no one will ever accept 'A new company springs up, out of nowhere, and creates a new Giga-Corporation' or anything like that...

Researching floating tanks is fairly simple, to be honest...people who have an interest, aka the scientists, will continue the research for the prestigue of being the first as well as for the greater glory of Switzerland.

Moon base has already been built...So...

People will not do the 'bare minimum' because that would cut your nose off to spite your face. "Oooo its so terrible to see Switzerland falling behind" "Well why don't you do something about it..."

Not quotas or crap like that.

For most people, since they are living in semi-arcologies, they will have some sort of a deal with the supplier and know them personally. If they don't get on they can move.

If people don't get on then they die.

Bartering is possible, as is localised currency, but Switzerland itself has no currency.

People will get what they are given, if they want something else then they can damn well think of a way to get it.

 

Aside from everything else the economic system in game(even without Sere's attempts) is seriously screwed because we can't be bothered to work out who we are trading with or to fluctuate the GDP or whatever...So I am just cutting all the crap out.

Especially since this game is based more on how long something should take to not be game breaking, than on how much something would actually cost.

 

Key Phrases:

Individuals strive for self-betterment rather than fiscal remuneration.

A pervasive altruistic philosophy of self-improvement and helping others provides most labor.

 

In any case, whether you force me to have a currency or not, my style of play will not alter...so.

So we send in 50K troops, and you reply with 200K? I'm not sending anymore in, but We begin air strikes on large squads of your troops, if AA guns get deployed we use artillery to take them out from afar, any large attack on any of our forces will be defended off as we will be creating bunkers and such. Your going to lose more troops than I am

 

 

Ok can someone actually mod this war? I vote for either Sere or Archi to mod the mongolia war, as they aren't involved and are at least smart enough to mod it, and they aren't currently trying to actually f my [cabbage] up (dusty)

 

Anyway, forces in Mongolia are as followed

 

50 K infantry

500 heavy tanks

1k artillery

750 mortars

 

50 Tupolev Tu-22M

10 Tupolev Tu-160

10 Sukhoi Su-34

 

 

We also begin building a defensive line around the Mongolia and Russian border, and we aren't targeting main cities yet, were targeting surrounding regions like towns and villagers to go for our cause

Yeah I will if paul agrees, can you post or send me some stats if you agree?

Ok can someone actually mod this war? I vote for either Sere or Archi to mod the mongolia war, as they aren't involved and are at least smart enough to mod it, and they aren't currently trying to actually f my [cabbage] up (dusty)

Lol, I haven't done anything aganinst you. You're the one that keeps threatening to invade me.

 

Whoever the war mod is is irrelevant I should hope. The whole purpose is to be impartial.

 

Tell ya what, just for Dusty I will cancel the full PC and instead I annex Armenia and Azerbajin. Is that fair?

 

Who has the most recent map?

 

I wasn't saying fully cancel it, just...slow it down a bit.

 

Arch, can you update the front page with my actual gold reserve now?

 

Slavic Republic- Dusty

Gold Tonnes 5,881.83

Norwegian Krone: 5,000,000,000.00

Foreign Currency in Leu: 600,000,000.00

 

Also,

Leu To Krone: .12

Leu To Argent: 1

Leu To Coif: 0.53

Leu To FTC: 7.4

Why does 1 Leu only get your .12 Krone? 1 Krone should get you like...0.06 Leu (since 1 Krone = .12 $, and the Leu is the same value of the Euro, which is almost twice the value of a dollar).

Nah, it's fine. The Middle East is too... troublesome. Central Asia is where it's at.

:P

Most recent map is on the front page (remarkably)

Dusty you are not getting 3,000 Tonnes of Gold simply because Sere got 3,000 Tonnes of Gold.

If the whole economess didn't take place then no one gets 3,000...

Whoever the war mod is is irrelevant I should hope. The whole purpose is to be impartial.

Paranoia can tear good friends apart...so imagine what it can do to enemies.

http://uk.ask.com/web?qsrc=1&o=312&l=dir&q=convert+1+euro+to+norwegian+krone+&dm=all

 

I had it round the wrong way.

http://uk.ask.com/web?qsrc=1&o=312&l=dir&q=convert+1+euro+to+norwegian+krone+&dm=all

 

I had it round the wrong way.

:)

 

Dusty you are not getting 3,000 Tonnes of Gold simply because Sere got 3,000 Tonnes of Gold.

If the whole economess didn't take place then no one gets 3,000...

Whoever the war mod is is irrelevant I should hope. The whole purpose is to be impartial.

Paranoia can tear good friends apart...so imagine what it can do to enemies.

Sure I am. If he can just magically create 3,000 tonnes of gold then I don't really see why I can't.

 

And if he stole those 3,000 tonnes from the IMF, then there is going to be massive reprocussions.

 

So, how about this. 3,000 tonnes of gold are subtracted from the Federation's holdings, and go to the new GMF (Global Monetary Fund) which will be based in Bucharest.

 

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The SR and Russia aren't enemies.

American and the USSR were not enemies, didn't stop them being paranoid...

 

I think basing something in the SSR is equally silly as placing it in the USA(Again)....We need a neutral country... Not Switzerland because of the minefields...Maybe EGG?

American and the USSR were not enemies, didn't stop them being paranoid...

 

I think basing something in the SSR is equally silly as placing it in the USA(Again)....We need a neutral country... Not Switzerland because of the minefields...Maybe EGG?

It's not about being neutral. The US is hardly neutral, and that's where the IMF was based.

 

And the EGG is dirt poor.

 

If they're not basing in Bucharest then I'll just keep saying I have 3k tonnes of gold, which judging by the reaction to Sere's ill conceived plan of currency stabilization, would be more or less accepted by the players here simply to spite Sere.

Well Dusty, if you can get 4 people to vote in favour of giving yourself 3,000 Gold tonnes out of nowhere then I will accept it...Otherwise reality applies.

Okay, I vote yes.

I'm absolutely behind Dusty.

 

I'd like 2000 gold too though, please.

 

Paul's post is win. Disregard economic crisis. Please.

Asked someone to make this...Might work...Can some tell me if it screws up?

I vote no, even though I have no idea what is going on.

Well, Sere collapsed the world economy, and then stole the only reserve fund meant the stop the world economy from collapsing to strengthen his position (a reserve fund that he didn't own, but merely had its headquarters based in the US).

What's it supposed to do?

 

It's just a .png of "December 6th 2018"?

What's it supposed to do?

 

It's just a .png of "December 6th 2018"?

It's a counter meant to update as the game progresses to show the year we're in.

Someone PM a full report, I'll make my decision from there :)

 

Also Dusty, its cause you keep on just messing around with what I do, pisses me off, I don't personally want to invade you, also I'm worried you know how this game works to well and think you should be regarded as a class 1 enemy

Australia wonders what the hell is going on. Australia then realises it doesn't care and rolls with whatever catstrophe is happening currently, because Australia is awesome.

 

And Australia continues researching awesome stuff.

Someone PM a full report, I'll make my decision from there :)

 

Also Dusty, its cause you keep on just messing around with what I do, pisses me off, I don't personally want to invade you, also I'm worried you know how this game works to well and think you should be regarded as a class 1 enemy

I haven't messed around with anything you've been doing.

I MEANT, you always make remarks... Yeah, countries would get aggressive with eachother other that, I pretend that everything you guys say on here, unless its totally [developmentally delayed]ed is regarded as media in your country.

"Russia is a noob"

"GTFO" *Invasion*