Muhammad Caricature

[Dire_Wolf]

Some danish guy drew a drawing of the profet Muhammad (Profet in Muslim religion) and aggrieved muslims. The caricature can be found here:

http://images.google.no/images?hl=no&source=hp&q=muhammad%20caricature&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

It's the one with a bomb kinda thing (like the one in Bomberman lol). Anyhow, i am not so religious (i am a muslim), but i wanna tell the truth about why muslims react to this picture. In Norway where i live, there have been many muslims reacting to the picture.

 

There is the stupid muslims (ones who are extremesists)

There are moderat muslims

Then there is norwegians who are kind and respecting to muslims and also disrespecting norgwegians

 

But it has clearly made more hostility between norwegians and muslims.

 

So did the danish guy have the right to draw that drawing? Yes, he has all right if he wants to.

Does he have right to print it? Yes he does.

Should he print it? NO he shouldn't.

 

So what i am saying is that he should apologize. That danish guy was attacked by a extremist muslim (with a axe) in his home and i read about it, i did not go "Wow i am happy, that bastard", instead i am glad he and his family did not get harmed. I don't dislike or hate him, but i would say he was stupid when he choose to show that drawing to the world.

 

Here's a example to show why he shouldn't have published it:

In a kindergarden, kids CAN hit eachother, but they are told NOT TO. So they shouldn't, but they can do it. Because if you hit someone, you will hurt them and that's bad.

 

The drawing shows Muhammad with a bomb as a hat, and ISLAM signs in the center of the bomb. Looking at it, the indirect message tells me "That all muslims are terrorists".

 

So i am offended, but not so much that i will go demonstrate about it.

 

There though clear lines where you shouldn't do things like this even though you have the right to do it. And from some norwegians side of view they think that because muslims are demonstrating that they are "threatning" the freedom of speech and printing and so on. That's not the case.

 

 

So what do ya think of this? Do you agree with me, or do you disagree and if so why do you disagree?

[Danqazmlp]

I do think that People make too much of it. It reminds me of protective racism, where one race seems fine to criticise and one does not, such as black people being racist towards whites, but the other way around will not end well. It is the same here. If you watch satirical cartoons, there are many which will do the same to Christian figures, but they do not get as much attention because it is deemed ok, and imo it is. The man can have whatever views he wants, and is free to express those in whatever non-violent ways he wants. The only reason it caught any attention is because it is aimed at Muslims, full stop.

 

Also, if you look through political/religious caricatures through the years there have been much worse.

[The_Gabe]

One thing offends you. Live with it. There are worse things to worry about then that.

[Giordano]

Getting pissed off over a fictional piece of work...

 

Pretty much as sad as the guy who fainted when he got the first Halo 3.

[Riku3220]

Muhammad isn't supposed to be drawn because he is only to be seen as a prophet and not equal to Allah correct?

[Dire_Wolf]

Muhammad isn't supposed to be drawn because he is only to be seen as a prophet and not equal to Allah correct?

Don't know, i am a failure as a muslim lol. But in our religion drawings of Allah and so on is not allowed.

[Riku3220]

Muhammad isn't supposed to be drawn because he is only to be seen as a prophet and not equal to Allah correct?

Don't know, i am a failure as a muslim lol. But in our religion drawings of Allah and so on is not allowed.

Either way Muslims would've been pissed because Muhammad was drawn. With or without the bomb hat.

[Distracted]

Riku, something about that sentence doesn't seem right. Do you mean Muhammad shouldn't be drawn because he is seen as equal to God? I just know that all icons are prohibited by Islam, which is why you'll find mosques are decorated with Arabic calligraphy.

 

It's understandable that some get offended over this. If I presented a drawing of Jesus doing something horrible to a devout christian (that is, show the picture to the christian, not Jesus doing anything to the christian just to make sure it doesn't get misinterpreted), he would probably be offended too. In the end, he is stating that all muslims are terrorists with that image, which is somewhat offensive in itself, even without religious context. I'm not a muslim, but if I were, I'd be a bit annoyed by this guy, thinking he's funny for drawing that. It's not even funny tbh.

[Dire_Wolf]

Muhammad isn't supposed to be drawn because he is only to be seen as a prophet and not equal to Allah correct?

Don't know, i am a failure as a muslim lol. But in our religion drawings of Allah and so on is not allowed.

Either way Muslims would've been pissed because Muhammad was drawn. With or without the bomb hat.

Only the idiot muslims yes. Honestly i am not pissed, or annoyed or angry about the drawing. But i think that was a very stupid thing to do by the man.

 

The drawing message is crystal clear, so i do not get why the freedom of printing should matter when it's bad for society. It basically says "Muslims are terrorists, and islam is a bomb", which is discrimination. Isen't that what majority of democratic countries are against?

[OldJoe]

He should not apologize.

I remember the Danish state-minister said something the lines of "we have freedom of speech and press in this country".

Was what happend to be expected? I guess. But i don't see why he should apologize.

[Dire_Wolf]

He should not apologize.

I remember the Danish state-minister said something the lines of "we have freedom of speech and press in this country".

Was what happend to be expected? I guess. But i don't see why he should apologize.

Maybe a apology is going to far. But do you think he should have done it? Not apologizing but printing the caricature.

[OldJoe]

He should not apologize.

I remember the Danish state-minister said something the lines of "we have freedom of speech and press in this country".

Was what happend to be expected? I guess. But i don't see why he should apologize.

Maybe a apology is going to far. But do you think he should have done it? Not apologizing but printing the caricature.

I dont know, i don't really care to be honest. It was his choice.

If it was supposed to be funny or something then it failed. If it was supposed to be a political statement, then it also failed.

[warri0r45]

Here's a example to show why he shouldn't have published it:

In a kindergarden, kids CAN hit eachother, but they are told NOT TO. So they shouldn't, but they can do it. Because if you hit someone, you will hurt them and that's bad.

 

The drawing shows Muhammad with a bomb as a hat, and ISLAM signs in the center of the bomb. Looking at it, the indirect message tells me "That all muslims are terrorists".

 

The difference between your example and this one is that it's only the Muslims feelings that are hurt; they're not physically harmed or threatened in any way. What should happen is that Muslims offended by this should recognise that Norway is a free country where people are allowed to express their opinions, however offensive they may be. As for the conclusion that the cartoonist thinks all Muslims are terrorists, I definitely wouldn't go that far. You're just looking into it too much. The problem here is that people can't interpret satire or comedy any more. The whole premise you need to use looking at things like this is not to take them too seriously or over-analyse them too much.

[Arcantica]

There is just a lack of respect in the world. Especially between people of different faiths and cultures. It's unfortunate, but nothing can really be done about it. Everyone in the world cannot get along, and some people actually go to the next step to intentionally try to stir things up. In his own country he has the right to do that, no matter how disrespectful it is. Now he is getting more famous and more and more people are getting to see his work because of all the negative attention that was put on him. If no one would have made a big deal about it, it would have just been another stupid comic lost with the rest of them. Now more and more people will probably do such things in the future.

 

I feel bad for you Muslims, because you guys always get portrayed as the crazy evil ones. Ever since the crusades. Everyone in the western world thinks Muslims are the militant-violent people, but Christianity has much more violence within itself and it's history. You guys have been under constant attack for the past 2000 years, and any attempts at defending yourself, you get portrayed as being evil. I don't blame all the extremism that is popping out of certain areas. When you grow up around war, and your people have been under constant threat and attack for generation after generation, of course people are going to turn doing things they normally wouldn't.

 

 

 

People can't just respect each others beliefs.

[fakeitormakeit2]

I do feel as though the Danish cartoonist had all the rights and ability to do what he did, but just because we can do something doesn't mean we should if it's disrespectful.

The actions of the cartoonist are not just justified nor are the extremist who attacked him. And I also rather detest those who say "Islam isn't as bad as Christianity, because Christendom caused the Crusades". Each situation is different, and we must judge ourselves according to the situation, we cannot compare unalike situations.

 

But alas people are foolish and they have long tongues so in the end, my Muslim friend, I, a non-Muslim Middle Eastern, and you, a Muslim, are both just "towel heads" to the ignorant. The ignorant are like those who refuse to distinguish between art. They do not know the beauty which they miss.

 

But there's also a very good Arabic saying, before listening to the words of an insult you should look at what mouth it came out of first. I find this a very appealing saying, especially in this modern world of ignorant and cultureless idiots.

[Alg]

He should not apologize.

I remember the Danish state-minister said something the lines of "we have freedom of speech and press in this country".

Was what happend to be expected? I guess. But i don't see why he should apologize.

Because even if you can do something it doesn't mean you should?

I can go around being a total [wagon] to everyone without apologizing or ever breaking a law but that doesn't make it right. And while it isn't right for a guy to go after him with an axe, it also shouldn't go unanswered.

[The Dark Lord]

He has every right to draw and do whatever with those pictures as he pleases. It's just a way for him to protest against religion --- Islam in particular.

 

 

Sure, not all Muslims are like this, but this kind of stuff really brings about anti-Islamic tension.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

 

Denmark is a state that practices freedom of speech --- an ideal that is bound to step on someone's toes and make them angry. Honestly, if they do not like this, they should leave Denmark. No one should be made to apologize, and Denmark shouldn't have to conform.

[fakeitormakeit2]

He has every right to draw and do whatever with those pictures as he pleases. It's just a way for him to protest against religion --- Islam in particular.

 

 

Sure, not all Muslims are like this, but this kind of stuff really brings about anti-Islamic tension.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

I acknowledge his right to do so, but I don't find it right. Plus why is there a need to "protest" against religion? Why must their be criticism of a belief system that doesn't aim to harm you and in fact is good oriented and yet must receive criticism?

 

And it is the same mindset that it was his way of protesting religion that mistakes all Middle Eastern people (and people who are just olive) as Muslims. I do not justify extremist muslims, but would you not be pissed off if your belief system was constantly desecrated blatantly and the major superpowers of super goodness, sugar and rainbows only promoted such an idea?

[The Dark Lord]

I also edited my post to include another point.

 

Denmark is a state that practices freedom of speech --- an ideal that is bound to step on someone's toes and make some people angry. Honestly, if they do not like this, they should leave Denmark. No one should be made to apologize, and Denmark shouldn't have to conform.

[Dire_Wolf]

He has every right to draw and do whatever with those pictures as he pleases. It's just a way for him to protest against religion --- Islam in particular.

 

 

Sure, not all Muslims are like this, but this kind of stuff really brings about anti-Islamic tension.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_kyNIevsIs

 

Denmark is a state that practices freedom of speech --- an ideal that is bound to step on someone's toes and make them angry. Honestly, if they do not like this, they should leave Denmark. No one should be made to apologize, and Denmark shouldn't have to conform.

What a bunch of idiots. "We will invade Denmark and take their wifes as war booty". So messed up [cabbage]. This is the reason why i am not so religious. Honestly...religion is the cause of many conflicts.

[OldJoe]

He should not apologize.

I remember the Danish state-minister said something the lines of "we have freedom of speech and press in this country".

Was what happend to be expected? I guess. But i don't see why he should apologize.

Because even if you can do something it doesn't mean you should?

I can go around being a total [wagon] to everyone without apologizing or ever breaking a law but that doesn't make it right. And while it isn't right for a guy to go after him with an axe, it also shouldn't go unanswered.

I maintain that he shouldn't apologize.

Personally i think doing such a thing is stupid, since you'll know the reactions to come. But, 1; It seems like you can't have a single joke over Islam without everyone in the world going bananas, but it seems to be ok to do so against Christianity. 2: The whole thing is blown over proportion. Everyone takes it too seriously.

[stonewall337]

Actually, in most of the free world, one has the right to freedom of speech. At least in America, the right to not be offended is non-existent. He has a point too. After all, it wasn't Hindus who are behind many of the recent terror bombings in the world.

[mcneilp]

I remember the [cabbage]storm this caused when the story first came to light.

I'm all for free speech and that but a little more understanding of different beliefs/ways of life could go a long way in situations like this.

[Faux]

you know what the funny thing is, the way Muslims reacted to his cartoons only strengthened the point he was making.

 

people make fun of christians, jews and hindus all the time, but hey don't really go bat[cabbage] crazy. why should islam be immune from being made fun of?

 

it's like this:

 

cartoonist: "haha muslims are violent"

muslims: "no we're not, we'll [bleep]ing kill you for that"

[Will H]

I wouldn't be offended at all if some guy drew a cartoon which suggested that Christians are violent crazy people, or even depicted Jesus as violent. It's probably already been done, but apart from the few actually crazy violent Christians out there, the rest tolerate, accept, and teach when appropriate. I just think that Islam needs to develop to teach more Muslims in general to be much more tolerant. Threatening violence in this manner does not allow you to enjoy the benefits of religion, and only proves this guys point.

 

No, he should not apologise, and I'm nearly glad someone had the nuts to do it. Letting religions censor anyone outside that religion is unethical.