RexMilotic Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Taxing the rich seems like the best logical choice... ...Give everybody equal opportunity and we're good. What? I believe equal opportunity also implies that those who take advantage of it should receive the benefits from it, not suffer from more taxes because of it. Instead everyone should have the same taxes, since that would be part of "equal opportunity". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Taxing the rich seems like the best logical choice... ...Give everybody equal opportunity and we're good. What? I believe equal opportunity also implies that those who take advantage of it should receive the benefits from it, not suffer from more taxes because of it. Instead everyone should have the same taxes, since that would be part of "equal opportunity".Read and understand the rest of the post? :roll: Taxing the rich seems like the best logical choice, but unfortunately this would make them upset and probably move someplace else as everybody else has said. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zierro Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I believe equal opportunity also implies that those who take advantage of it should receive the benefits from it, not suffer from more taxes because of it. Instead everyone should have the same taxes, since that would be part of "equal opportunity". Suffer? Let's not throw that word around so lightly. If a poor man and a rich man both pay $100 for taxes, who do you think will be suffering more when they have to put bread on the table for their families? The fairest standard to go by would be proportions. $100 can be a quarter of the poor man's paycheck, while $100 to the rich can be less than 1% of his income. It's not completely fair (that would be impossible), but it's much fairer than having everybody pay the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I prefer the Progressive Income Tax. Your first 10,000 dollars are taxed at 15%Your next 10,000 dollars are taxed at 20% etc, etc. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riku3220 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I prefer the Progressive Income Tax. Your first 10,000 dollars are taxed at 15%Your next 10,000 dollars are taxed at 20% etc, etc.Is there a limit? Anyone who makes more than $200,000 in their life time will have to pay 100% tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I prefer the Progressive Income Tax. Your first 10,000 dollars are taxed at 15%Your next 10,000 dollars are taxed at 20% etc, etc.Is there a limit? Anyone who makes more than $200,000 in their life time will have to pay 100% tax.Well yeah of course. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I prefer the Progressive Income Tax. Your first 10,000 dollars are taxed at 15%Your next 10,000 dollars are taxed at 20% etc, etc.Is there a limit? Anyone who makes more than $200,000 in their life time will have to pay 100% tax.Well yeah of course. I think Riku mis interpretted in more than one way $200,000 in thier lifetime This implies he thinks you earn say $5,000 a year. First 2 years you pay 15%, next year you pay 20% etc. What it ACTUALLY means is:If you earn $15,000 a year. You pay 15% on the first $10,000 then 20% on the remaining $5,000 Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit2 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 NJ has high property and income tax that it almost is stealing. I think about 30,000 "millionaire households" left NJ last year because of how high taxes are. Hopefully with Chris Cristie as governor (good man, I know him) he'll reform taxes in a way that isn't so high and everywhere. Honestly, our Democratic governor's (Jon Corzine) plan was basically just tax small business really really high, force them to get an insurance policy for everyone who they employ, and then kill everyone else with sales tax, property tax and income tax through the roof. I thought Democrats were against Mr. BigBusinessCEO? Because the only type of business that can survive in this type of environment is just that. Taxes wouldn't be so high though if America wasn't such a welfare and police state. If we cut our funding to other countries and our sporadic wars for a decade, call for more public philanthropy again, and kill programs that kill incentive to work like welfare we'd probably have enough money to end world hunger and pay off half of our international debtors while decreasing taxes. I laughed in my economic studies class when in the late 1800s before the depression of 1893, the government had excess money and there wasn't an income tax. He who wears his morality but as his best garment were better naked... Your daily life is your temple and your religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortilliachp Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If you aren't getting anything out of tax payments, your government isn't doing a good job. Consider USA: $900 000 000 000 (nine hundred billion) spent on the Iraq war. What a waste of your money. Think of all the security systems that could be bought for that price, and how many hundred billion would be left over? Think of the incredible national security you could have, or how much safer your american future would be with 900 billion less of a public deficit? No, here in Norway, all but the top 0,7% of earners get more value than if they were to buy the services publically for the same amount. If your government is "stealing from you", your government is not investing in the right things. Taxation is one of the best ways for consumers to get what they deserve, other than were republicans, nationalists, those who are too socialist, and those with malfunctioning economic policies rule. Look at the scandinavian model: average of about 40% income tax, yet you still get more than if you were to buy services publically. That's a success story. Low taxes are not always best, fairest, or what the rich earn most on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexMilotic Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 Taxing the rich seems like the best logical choice... ...Give everybody equal opportunity and we're good. What? I believe equal opportunity also implies that those who take advantage of it should receive the benefits from it, not suffer from more taxes because of it. Instead everyone should have the same taxes, since that would be part of "equal opportunity".Read and understand the rest of the post? :roll: Taxing the rich seems like the best logical choice, but unfortunately this would make them upset and probably move someplace else as everybody else has said. I read it, and I understood it. I was saying your logic sucks. Taxing the reach is not at all the most logical thing to do if you're supporting equal opportunity, so why even bother posting it if it contradicts your own views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted March 2, 2010 Share Posted March 2, 2010 What I meant was that it's natural instinct to choose taxing the rich, but in reality it is not. Meaning, just because it's easier doesn't mean its right. Meaning I personally don't believe in taxing the rich. "The cry of the poor is not always just, but if you never hear it you'll never know what justice is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furah Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 If stealing is moral because the government 'steal' your cash in the form of taxation, then killing because the government does it through military is moral by your logic. Steam | PM me for BBM PIN Nine naked men is a technological achievement. Quote of 2013. PCGamingWiki - Let's fix PC gaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladewing Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Things government institutionalized entities are better at than market competition:Public DefenseUtilitiesTransfer Payments/Donations As an individual, paying taxes is generally preferable to its alternatives, not paying taxes and being arrested or withdrawing from the system and being autonomous. There is no morality but the morality of free market economics. Rational self interest is the only commandment. If you participate in the government it is because you have deemed it the rational decision and that you gain more than you lose. How to Chin Nechyraels for fast XP and profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socc Posted March 3, 2010 Share Posted March 3, 2010 Kid rock says its ok...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpCADfZD-egLanguage warning^^ Socc | 99 Magic | 95/99 Range | 99 Defence | 99 Hitpoints | 96/99 Summoning |Join SODB for some monster Slayin! | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romy Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Kid rock says its ok...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpCADfZD-egLanguage warning^^ That was funny :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Just saw this quote:"I like taxes. With them I buy civilization."True indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Oh, yeah. Stupid government. I've changed my mind now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Yeah, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a suit. Also, I just found this topic again, still sums up my opinions on the matter pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldJoe Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Yeah, I wouldn't be caught dead wearing a suit. Also, I just found this topic again, still sums up my opinions on the matter pretty much.Hehe. Shame i must have missed that topic, don't really feel like bumping all this time later. But, you seem to be more Nordic than i am, and i more American than you - in the political ideology. J'adore aussi le sexe et les snuff moviesJe trouve que ce sont des purs moments de vieJe ne me reconnais plus dans les gensJe suis juste un cas désespérantEt comme personne ne viendra me réclamerJe terminerai comme un objet retrouvé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 After a few minutes of thinking, I conclude that there should just be a way for people who don't want to be taxed to, well, not be taxed, and not receive the benefits that that implies. The health care system in Canada is paid for by taxes (right?), so you don't have to have to pay for it when you need it. If I didn't want free health care, I should be allowed not to pay taxes that go to the health care system. It's like being forced to have insurance (pay every X amount every Y weeks in case you get hurt and need money / pay Z% of your income/property in case you get hurt and need money).Considering how tax money is spent (Iraq war for example), this should be an option for every tax payer. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegpenguin Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Well I've read through most of this and I'm disappointed in peoples understanding of civilization. When large groups of people decide to live in one area, there needs to be an overall agreed upon law. If you don't like it, you can leave and live somewhere more preferable to you. That pretty much sums it up. A government can't live without a people to fund it, and the only reason a government needs funding is to protect and support the people. Now this doesn't mean welfare, which is a broken system. This means raising the basic standard of living by helping the people help themselves. Just throwing money around helps no one. And because you live in an area, you're agreeing to the social contract of that government, which usually includes paying taxes. Because you've agreed to that contract it's not stealing, it's what you owe that government for providing the roads you drive on, the hospitals and schools you need for medicine and education, and for the jobs they offer if you can't find one. So stop complaining about how taxes are stealing, it's not "without permission" because you live in that area and therefore must abide by their laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1_man_army Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 After a few minutes of thinking, I conclude that there should just be a way for people who don't want to be taxed to, well, not be taxed, and not receive the benefits that that implies. The health care system in Canada is paid for by taxes (right?), so you don't have to have to pay for it when you need it. If I didn't want free health care, I should be allowed not to pay taxes that go to the health care system. It's like being forced to have insurance (pay every X amount every Y weeks in case you get hurt and need money / pay Z% of your income/property in case you get hurt and need money).Considering how tax money is spent (Iraq war for example), this should be an option for every tax payer. The problem with picking and choosing is that from the taxman's point of view it is unfeasably awkward (probably creating additional costs) and it wouldn't be enforceable - how would you check what each individual was paying for, especially in an emergency? What happens in the case of children as well? See what I mean, that sort of system is overly difficult. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnpike Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 Stealing is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romy Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 After a few minutes of thinking, I conclude that there should just be a way for people who don't want to be taxed to, well, not be taxed, and not receive the benefits that that implies. The health care system in Canada is paid for by taxes (right?), so you don't have to have to pay for it when you need it. If I didn't want free health care, I should be allowed not to pay taxes that go to the health care system. It's like being forced to have insurance (pay every X amount every Y weeks in case you get hurt and need money / pay Z% of your income/property in case you get hurt and need money).Considering how tax money is spent (Iraq war for example), this should be an option for every tax payer. What about roads, courts, police department, army, heck, even streetlights?How can you not use those? Your idea may sound nice, but it's mostly not feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted March 5, 2010 Share Posted March 5, 2010 After a few minutes of thinking, I conclude that there should just be a way for people who don't want to be taxed to, well, not be taxed, and not receive the benefits that that implies. The health care system in Canada is paid for by taxes (right?), so you don't have to have to pay for it when you need it. If I didn't want free health care, I should be allowed not to pay taxes that go to the health care system. It's like being forced to have insurance (pay every X amount every Y weeks in case you get hurt and need money / pay Z% of your income/property in case you get hurt and need money).Considering how tax money is spent (Iraq war for example), this should be an option for every tax payer. What about roads, courts, police department, army, heck, even streetlights?How can you not use those? Your idea may sound nice, but it's mostly not feasible.You're right. Some are necessary. I'd need a list of taxes that are paid in the US to know what to say.[Edit] And by that I mean you pick which taxes you want and don't want, with some that are obligatory. Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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