November 22, 200520 yr Edit:MODS PLZ LEAVE THIS UP! THIS IS TO DISCUSS ABOUT THE SERIES HAVING TO DO WITH RACISM, NOT ABOUT THE MOVIE ITSELF! Ok i just saw the movie today, and some things ran through my head as i watched it... Is the harry potter series all about racism? Thing 1. Draco's father, his hair colour is blond, and he hates muggles... sounds like another person in history who, may not of had blond hair (although liked blond haired people), was very racists and created WW2. Hittler. Yes it occured to me when i saw him, and i remembered how he hated muggles... and his blond hair. Thing 2. The death eaters costume, look at the hat. What does it resemble? (I cant find any picture of the death eater hat so i wont compare). But it looks like a KKK hat... Once again rascism. The group hates muggles, and the kkk's hate a certain type of people as well... Is this coincidence... i dont know. If one reads the whole series of the book, there are diffrent events that bring both sides together (in the new book, fudge comes to talk to the priminister to talk about both the magic and muggle world. Unusal). Your opinions? Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you!
November 22, 200520 yr J.K. Rowling has said it herself that the book has strong underlying messages about tolerance and prejudice (I wouldn't necessarily say racism). If you read bewtween the lines, it's so blatantly obvious, it's not even funny. The racism against giants, hatred against Mubloods/Wizards, slavery of house elves, etc. Gamertag: King Arizona
November 22, 200520 yr Well obviously in the wizard world passes for racism, and that's deeply entrenched in the whole plot, there's this issue going on about the bad side really advocating a kind of genocide, to exterminate what they see as these half-blood people. So that was obviously very conscious, but the other messages do grow organically. But I've never, no I've never set out to teach anyone anything. It's been more of an expression of my views and feelings than sitting down and deciding "What is today's message?" And I do think that, although I never, again, sat down consciously and thought about this, I do think judging, even for my own daughter, that children respond to that than to "thought for the day."
November 22, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series.
November 22, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series. I agree. The core of the series is to be a good story. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that she incorporates these ideas aren't to teach us a lesson, but to make the situations more real, and more serious. We feel emotionally attached if we're dealing with racism - its something real and cruel to us - so we feel stronger for Harry's cause than we do Voldemort's.
November 22, 200520 yr what is with all the bs lately about Subliminal messages and hidden meanings? *WOOOT 3000 posts!!!!!!!!!* - Only character in Runescape History maxed out in RSC and RS2
November 22, 200520 yr what is with all the bs lately about Subliminal messages and hidden meanings? I don't think this really applys. This is just the message not so sublty hidden within a book, almost all good books have a meaning or a message and this is just antoher example. But there has been alot of parania about subliminal messages here aswell. :?
November 22, 200520 yr The underlying messages about racism, and to a lesser extent class society, were pretty much obvious from book one, where Harry first met Malfoy as he got his robes tailored, where Draco warns Harry to stay away from certain families. My Tip.It Times Articles (10 and counting) || The Varrock Library Author Index projectDo you dare to dream? - Part 19 added. || The Hospital (WIP) - New story!Necromagus looks like a viking ... with glasses.
November 22, 200520 yr It's all about a boy who knows magic, you tart. And you can say the KKK hates black people. Black people isn't a curse word... I know, i have a long, long, long way to go
November 23, 200520 yr If i understand correctly your sayin Hitler has blonde hair..... well he didnt i dont think.....
November 23, 200520 yr If i understand correctly your sayin Hitler has blonde hair..... well he didnt i dont think..... Er...he corrected himself. Let's take a wonderful journey through literary analysis...the first step: Reading! sounds like another person in history who, may not of had blond hair (although liked blond haired people)
November 23, 200520 yr If i understand correctly your sayin Hitler has blonde hair..... well he didnt i dont think..... no but his "master race" was blonde hair and blue eyes i believe. "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."Abraham Lincoln
November 23, 200520 yr Author If i understand correctly your sayin Hitler has blonde hair..... well he didnt i dont think..... no but his "master race" was blonde hair and blue eyes i believe. ^Correctly said. Sig by IkuraiYour Guide to Posting! Behave or I will send my Moose mounted Beaver launchers at you!
November 23, 200520 yr the only theory i thought of is what would happen by the time Half Blood prince comes out DAniel Radcliff with a Grown Beard that looks like Michael Moore Stunner is in the house! Make some noise please?
November 23, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series. I agree. The core of the series is to be a good story. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that she incorporates these ideas aren't to teach us a lesson, but to make the situations more real, and more serious. We feel emotionally attached if we're dealing with racism - its something real and cruel to us - so we feel stronger for Harry's cause than we do Voldemort's. I disagree.. I think that the core idea is the whole idea of destiny is what you make it.. not only with the central plot, but with things like Hermione being of muggle descent, but being the best witch ever, Dumbledore's brother being a lowly bartender, etc..
November 23, 200520 yr http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=352717 I've already started a new topic for this use it and don't start a new one :P
November 23, 200520 yr http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=352717 I've already started a new topic for this use it and don't start a new one :P Stop pushing that stupid link because the topic is more involved with the series rather than that overrated movie. I thought the connection between the 'wizardry' life and real life prejudice/crisis were blatantly obvious that there was no need for discussion :? :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 ::
November 23, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series. I agree. The core of the series is to be a good story. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that she incorporates these ideas aren't to teach us a lesson, but to make the situations more real, and more serious. We feel emotionally attached if we're dealing with racism - its something real and cruel to us - so we feel stronger for Harry's cause than we do Voldemort's. I disagree.. I think that the core idea is the whole idea of destiny is what you make it.. not only with the central plot, but with things like Hermione being of muggle descent, but being the best witch ever, Dumbledore's brother being a lowly bartender, etc.. I think those are obviously stong themes in the books...but what I meant by core was JK's purpose in writing the books. She has said numerous times that she is not writing the books to pass on any message or teach any lesson - she is just writing good books. Obviously all good books have real life themes that we can all learn something for...but they are not the core purpose of the stories.
November 24, 200520 yr http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=352717 I've already started a new topic for this use it and don't start a new one :P except it doesn't apply to what he's trying to talk about? - Only character in Runescape History maxed out in RSC and RS2
November 24, 200520 yr http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=352717 I've already started a new topic for this use it and don't start a new one :P except it doesn't apply to what he's trying to talk about? The topic I started has already gone off topic a little and basically the same thing as this topic :roll:, so actualy it does
November 24, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series. I agree. The core of the series is to be a good story. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that she incorporates these ideas aren't to teach us a lesson, but to make the situations more real, and more serious. We feel emotionally attached if we're dealing with racism - its something real and cruel to us - so we feel stronger for Harry's cause than we do Voldemort's. I disagree.. I think that the core idea is the whole idea of destiny is what you make it.. not only with the central plot, but with things like Hermione being of muggle descent, but being the best witch ever, Dumbledore's brother being a lowly bartender, etc.. wha? Dumbledore had a brother? What book was this in I read all 6! Oh and on topic I think their are some messages in the story (when I first saw the death eaters all I thought was KKK) but I don't think there the main point of the story Proud Acolyte of the Ooc Cmon Steve you can do it!
November 24, 200520 yr Thing 2. The death eaters costume, look at the hat. What does it resemble? (I cant find any picture of the death eater hat so i wont compare). But it looks like a KKK hat... Once again rascism. The group hates muggles, and the kkk's hate a certain type of people as well... quote] ermm well yes i thought that too but in the book its like a cloak not a kkk hat....
November 24, 200520 yr There are obviously underlying messages about prejudice/etc, but I don't beleive that's the core idea of the series. I agree. The core of the series is to be a good story. Nothing more and nothing less. The fact that she incorporates these ideas aren't to teach us a lesson, but to make the situations more real, and more serious. We feel emotionally attached if we're dealing with racism - its something real and cruel to us - so we feel stronger for Harry's cause than we do Voldemort's. I disagree.. I think that the core idea is the whole idea of destiny is what you make it.. not only with the central plot, but with things like Hermione being of muggle descent, but being the best witch ever, Dumbledore's brother being a lowly bartender, etc.. wha? Dumbledore had a brother? What book was this in I read all 6! Oh and on topic I think their are some messages in the story (when I first saw the death eaters all I thought was KKK) but I don't think there the main point of the story In GOF Dumbledore talks about his brother getting in trouble for experimenting with goats. Harry notices that the bartender at Hogs Head (whom Dumbledore says he is in communication with) smells like goats in OOTP. In an interview after OOTP JK is asked if he is Dumbledore's brother Aberforth she said he is. (He is also mentioned in HBP and theories have arisen that he is now in possesion of RAB's locket)
November 24, 200520 yr http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=352717 I've already started a new topic for this use it and don't start a new one :P except it doesn't apply to what he's trying to talk about? The topic I started has already gone off topic a little and basically the same thing as this topic :roll:, so actualy it does Get it locked if it went offtopic then. Stop being stupid. Your posts just get crappier everytime. :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 ::
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