PMod Corruption Much?

[Zephy]

I was in an unmoderated cc a while back. Some three people were throwing just about the worst insults at each other. Profanity, obscenity, racism, you name it. I reported all three, and in my opinion, all three deserve to be muted, or at least have their mouths scrubbed out with soap. This goes on for way longer than it should. Then, in comes a player mod, and mutes exactly ONE of them. The other two start making more derisive remarks. Then one says something to the tune of, he's my real life brother, so good fight. Now, these three kids are all quite immature. But the fourth, he was a player mod, so presumably jagex trusts him with some authority and responsibility. He should have known better than to come in on his brother's whim and hand out a ban at his request. Especially given the situation, where his brother was just as guilty as the other party. I think this whole having friends as pmods thing is getting out of hand. If you're chosen to be responsible, then at least live up to your expectations.

[calcarb]

Not sure how a pmod can come into a cc and mute someone. Thought it was only ranked people that had that privilage.

[SlayerMalk]

nope p mods have the all might mute stick c mods only have power to kick nothing else

[Serpent Eye]

Not sure how a pmod can come into a cc and mute someone. Thought it was only ranked people that had that privilage.

 

Only ranked people (if the option is enabled) can KICK people from the clan chat.

 

If a PMod has no kicking powers, they can't kick anyone, but they are still able to mute people and do their normal PMod work.

[Wingless]

Not sure how a pmod can come into a cc and mute someone. Thought it was only ranked people that had that privilage.

 

Only ranked people (if the option is enabled) can KICK people from the clan chat.

 

If a PMod has no kicking powers, they can't kick anyone, but they are still able to mute people and do their normal PMod work.

 

You should know that Cal! Your a PMod yourself! D:

 

And I agree that there is to much corruption in the PMod community. I have a friend who only became a PMod because she had a friend who invited her. She's only played for a year and pretty much sucks at RuneScape. She doesn't know a thing, she hasn't helped a single person and honestly it depresses me that Jagex hand out the crown to everyone who invites others whereas people, not necessarily like me - but relative to me, are left in the dark.

[Cowman_133]

PMods are not required to deal with anything they do not wish to, especially if one of the offenders knows the Pmod well. For all you know he may have reported the other two to let Jagex handle it, so people wouldn't identify him as the muter. Regardless, if you already reported the other two offenders, I wouldn't worry about it. Jagex will still deal with them, albeit a little slower than if the mod had dealt with it.

[un4given]

If you're chosen to be responsible, then at least live up to your expectations.

I know right. Even government officials are respo...

 

o wait..

[mister_moocky]

Pmodship should be removed, if someone is saying something you don't like ignore them and move on.

[Alg]

Yes, because pmods should be able to mute people based on offenses that happened before they got in the chat. Makes perfect sense.

Also at the brother comment: Couldn't the guy have been talking about the other immature player? If not, why assume that he's telling the truth? It'd be no different than if he said he was the current top ranked player's brother.

[Bladewing]

1. Player mods are unnecessary and simply stroke power-hungry persons' e-peen.

2. Player mods cannot ban.

3. Keep your head down, don't talk back, and you won't get hurt. Welcome to Runescape.

[Rock Hard]

3. Keep your head down, don't talk back, and you won't get hurt. Welcome to life*

*fixed

[un4given]

3. Keep your head down, don't talk back, and you won't get hurt. Welcome to life*

*fixed

Words of wisdom right there.

 

If this was a rep based forum I'd rep you for life.

[Zephy]

Yes, because pmods should be able to mute people based on offenses that happened before they got in the chat. Makes perfect sense.

Also at the brother comment: Couldn't the guy have been talking about the other immature player? If not, why assume that he's telling the truth? It'd be no different than if he said he was the current top ranked player's brother.

There was more context than I was able to explain. The original argument had two sides, and it was pretty clear that one side was striking out against the other. I don't know for sure he's telling the truth, but I do know what I saw: namely that one player was specifically muted by the pmod while the other two were making equally unacceptable remarks in his presence.

 

Or rather, that he suddenly stopped talking -- mid statement -- while the other side continued to insult him. If he was such a hothead, I doubt he suddenly gave up of his own free will.

 

I'm not suggesting pmods have any particular obligation to go hunt trouble. But, if they're going to the trouble of intervening in a situation, they had better take a good look and treat all involved with some fairness.

[Omali]

PMods are not required to deal with anything they do not wish to, especially if one of the offenders knows the Pmod well. For all you know he may have reported the other two to let Jagex handle it, so people wouldn't identify him as the muter. Regardless, if you already reported the other two offenders, I wouldn't worry about it. Jagex will still deal with them, albeit a little slower than if the mod had dealt with it.

 

The idea that player mods are "just players with priority access to Jagex who can enact the rules on who they want, when they want" is a stupid idea and should be done away with. Runescape is the only MMO I've ever seen that allows player moderators to enforce the rules on a "when they feel like it" basis, and in any other game with a decently run moderator system players have their titles stripped away if they aren't going to use it for its intended purpose. If you don't want to enforce the rules, you shouldn't be a player moderator, and there should be an extra option to report player moderators for not enforcing the rules, or showing favoritism. It should be a lot easier for players to notify Jagex of Pmod abuse.

[Cowman_133]

As long as that is Jagex's stance on the matter, Omali, that is my stance on the matter. Don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm also not really opposed with it either.

[Alg]

Re: Zephy

I can't comment for your situation, but I've been involved in similar situations where on getting to the clan chat/location I find that nobody is doing anything worthy of a mute, bad though it may be. Hence my response...

The rules regarding mutes really don't make much sense at times :lol:

 

Out of curiosity, did the guys that weren't muted get a bit quieter or tamer as soon as the mod got there?

[Zephy]

Re: Zephy

I can't comment for your situation, but I've been involved in similar situations where on getting to the clan chat/location I find that nobody is doing anything worthy of a mute, bad though it may be. Hence my response...

The rules regarding mutes really don't make much sense at times :lol:

 

Out of curiosity, did the guys that weren't muted get a bit quieter or tamer as soon as the mod got there?

Nope. Apparently they were pretty confident the mod was on their side. If anything they started trashing the third guy even worse.

[Omali]

As long as that is Jagex's stance on the matter, Omali, that is my stance on the matter.

 

I hate Tip.It's platinum status. It reminds me of a time when administrators here had a spine and were willing to criticize Jagex for their counter-productive policies. Nothing personal, Cowman, I understand your position, it just pisses me off that Jagex is treating fan sites exactly as they have treated their community, which is the same way I see Apple talking to its customers, which is the same way I see civil servants talking to the [developmentally delayed]ed, like they always know what is best for us, and we're so absolutely stupid that if it weren't for Jagex we'd be in danger of swallowing our own tongues, or choking to death while chopping wood.

 

Jagex is the adult who feels the need to blend all of our food, put little cushions on the sharp edges of the table, and make us wear a helmet and arm/knee pads when we're walking around outside so we don't hurt ourselves, and despite our lament that we have never fallen to require said helmet or pads, they insist that we wear them or receive a ban, because they love us and it's for our own good. Oh and we're shackled to the bed so we don't fall out when we sleep, and the internet is blocked out altogether because it's a bad place filled with pedophiles and gay porn.

 

I've always said that Tip.It will never reach gold status as long as I am still here, because I am one of Jagex's strongest critics where it really matters. I have no tolerance for the fact that Jagex has, and continues, to treat their community like absolute [cabbage]. They are unapologetic in their hypocrisy, and almost always have absolutely no idea how to approach or communicate with their community. How many times has a Jagex Mod posted on Tip.It? Here are the highlights: Andrew Gower publicly threatening to sue Tip.It after an article questioning their banning practices, and the Jmod who joined to whine because players saw the double standards in Jagex's fan site relation requirements, and that Jagex was continuing their mafia style approach to dealing with the community, where they're not saying that they disapprove of whatever the action is, but if you do it you might just find your knees broken with a baseball bat.

 

I said in another thread that the presence and mechanics of High-Alchemy are a great indicator that Jagex does not, and never will, understand economics. I will extend that and point out that Andrew Gower's open threat to Tip.It was a major clue that Jagex is unable to properly respond to criticism. There are players here who respond to criticism by flaming. Jagex, on the other hand, is like the kid who responds to your rebuttal with "Yea, well, you're a gay." Their player addresses rarely address the point, but generally end up condescending to the community and the people who made the complaint in the first place. They're like the people who get in trouble for saying/posting something racist, and then they turn around and instead of apologizing they say the equivalent of "I'm sorry you morons misread what I said as racist."

 

/rant

[Sir_Kurity]

No screenshots?

[Alg]

Nope. Apparently they were pretty confident the mod was on their side. If anything they started trashing the third guy even worse.

In that case it's pretty obvious that someone's taking sides when they shouldn't have... :wall:

I fully agree that there should be some kind of report option for corrupt mods. [cabbage] like that really shouldn't happen.

[TheValeyard]

The PMOD selection systems seems about as clear as mud, so that should probably be adressed.

[Owned_Nex]

Don't speak so harshly against jagex, they work really hard on making the game and it's impossible to please everyone. The rock climbing boots update, free money to everybody, people complain. Rocktails, new high healing useful food, people complain. And now, they're kicking off trolls, spammers and online creepy wierdos by using mods, and people complain.

This is my point, nobody is perfect, and player mods are the best compromise for getting rid of the above people, or at least silencing them.

Although it is a bit harsh to try and sue tip it because someone didn't like how they banned people, tip it is a platinum level fan site, and jagex trust tip it and then people just went and stabbed jagex in the back and let them down.

You don't need to please everyone, but if 99% of the players in Runescape are opposed to something. hint hint. Listen.

[Nomrombom]

Don't speak so harshly against jagex, they work really hard on making the game and it's impossible to please everyone. The rock climbing boots update, free money to everybody, people complain. Rocktails, new high healing useful food, people complain. And now, they're kicking off trolls, spammers and online creepy wierdos by using mods, and people complain.

This is my point, nobody is perfect, and player mods are the best compromise for getting rid of the above people, or at least silencing them.

Although it is a bit harsh to try and sue tip it because someone didn't like how they banned people, tip it is a platinum level fan site, and jagex trust tip it and then people just went and stabbed jagex in the back and let them down.

You don't need to please everyone, but if 99% of the players in Runescape are opposed to something. hint hint. Listen.

 

This. Yeah, Jagex can't be perfect, but it shouldn't be [cabbage] either. Like if an effort to help Haiti was made by some corporation, and it had no follow through and it didn't help much, yeah, they did a good thing, but they did it pretty badly.

 

In short: Doesn't have to be perfect, but it shouldn't be this bad...

[Alg]

Don't speak so harshly against jagex, they work really hard on making the game and it's impossible to please everyone. The rock climbing boots update, free money to everybody, people complain. Rocktails, new high healing useful food, people complain. And now, they're kicking off trolls, spammers and online creepy wierdos by using mods, and people complain.

This is my point, nobody is perfect, and player mods are the best compromise for getting rid of the above people, or at least silencing them.

Although it is a bit harsh to try and sue tip it because someone didn't like how they banned people, tip it is a platinum level fan site, and jagex trust tip it and then people just went and stabbed jagex in the back and let them down.

People are imperfect, and mods are people. Mods make mistakes, mods can be corrupted, just like any other player. A corrupt mod can cause a lot more damage than a corrupt player, however, and there are no means for dealing with it when it happens. People have been complaining about it for longer than I've been one. Yeah, it's probably better than the alternative if the alternative is no moderation at all, but that doesn't mean it can't be improved...

[Dragonmaker9]

Omali, I can't agree with your latest post on this thread 100%, but a lot of those points really made me think "Yeah, I totally agree with this". It does seem that Jagex just whine, lie and refuse to apologise about anything.

 

As for PMod favourtism, I haven't experienced it, but I when I hade public chat or turn it to friends only (both of which I haven't done for over a year now, mainly because of me rarely playing these days), why am I still forced to read PMod chat? I'm not breaking any rules, and they're never speaking to me directly. I think we should only be forced to see PMod chat if they actually use our names in their message.

 

Oh, and I once saw a PMod with a name that was deemed offensive and therefore censored by Jagex. How can someone with an offensive name become a moderator without Jagex forcing them to change it?