Whips are still 3.5m each, why?

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Ah that would be on slayer tasks with overload and turmoil. Should have clarified that.

slayer task for frost dragons(which you did mention)? :roll: And still, your accuracy will be noticeably lower while the max hit is barely higher(+10 or so str). I'm fairly sure there have been enough tests to show the difference aswell, otherwise people wouldn't be using the spears, and yes, the spear is great at dragons higher than blue. It's quite the same as spear vs. rapier at waterfiends, your max hit will be much higher, but the extra misses just kill you- spear wins at 27k vs 24k.

 

And sorry for the spelling slip, though the point still remains the same.

[Obtaurian]

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Whip was best for solo TDs, Bandos GWD, and Zamorak GWD. ZS was (and still is) best for Corp. Crossbows are best for solo Arma GWD and Sara GWD. Thus, whip was the best weapon for all relevant bosses.

 

I don't know any godwars teams.

There, should be fixed now.

 

But in all seriousness, the whip was easily the best weapon in game for a very lengthy period of time, but has lost it's spark now for higher level players. You have to remember, the requirements of 80 attack and 80 dungeoneering aren't a joke for some people and that alot of people are awfully paranoid about the recharge cost of these items(which is uncalled for if you can make 600k an hour). And just to be clear, the whip is still, after 6 years, the second best training weapon game and is a major reason attack and defense hiscores can keep up with the strength ones.

BTW whip + defender > Z spear at all dragons except mithril and KBD, possibly frosts, but I mean if you have 85 dungeon you have rapier anyway.

I refuse to believe that- even the lowly leaf-bladed sword does better than the whip at most dragons(greens and blues might be the gay area). I think you have gotten something horribly wrong, the whip is dreadful at irons/steels.

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Regardless of what you conceive my godwars experience to be, pre-dungeoneering, it would be hard for a random player on rs forums to find a bandos or zammy team offering whip/rune def as attack status over a godsword. But, I will take Z spear over whip/def at dragons any day.

 

Two things:

 

1) You lost me at RSOF.

 

2) Aside from Sara GWD, whip + defender + claws > godswords.

[IHasChicken]

I don't know many godwars teams who would agree with you saying whip is best weapon (before chaotic) for Bandos and Zammy.

solo

And anyway, whip + defender was still better than a godsword in team bandos/zamorak/saradomin.

 

BTW whip + defender > Z spear at all dragons except mithril and KBD, possibly frosts, but I mean if you have 85 dungeon you have rapier anyway.

 

Is whip + defender > zs at steels, even with overloads, turm, and maxed melee stats?

 

Since I overload + piety steels, and zs seems to beat out the whip + defender at steels - does turm push this the other way?

[Bladewing]

Ah that would be on slayer tasks with overload and turmoil. Should have clarified that.

slayer task for frost dragons(which you did mention)? :roll: And still, your accuracy will be noticeably lower while the max hit is barely higher(+10 or so str). I'm fairly sure there have been enough tests to show the difference aswell, otherwise people wouldn't be using the spears, and yes, the spear is great at dragons higher than blue. It's quite the same as spear vs. rapier at waterfiends, your max hit will be much higher, but the extra misses just kill you- spear wins at 27k vs 24k.

 

And sorry for the spelling slip, though the point still remains the same.

Thought I would include frost dragons as a possibility since they ARE rather low leveled.

 

85 stab, 75 strength on spear.

101 slash, 87 strength with whip.

 

First, you will notice that the max hit of whip is 605 vs. 569 with spear. The second question is how resistant to slash the dragons are. This is your waterfiend argument, which are, aside from corp, the monster with the highest attack style specialization. For spear to have better output, it must be 6% more accurate than the whip. However, this is impossible to believe as you well know since whip hits well over 90% of the time on irons and steels.

 

Metals are not invulnerable to non-stab attacks. They are slightly weaker to stab.

 

"People use them, ergo it's the best" - people use DFS for slayer. I don't plan on debating this any further than you since you already explicitly stated your refusal to listen.

 

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Spear > whip without turmoil on steels

[Sir_Kurity]

There's no reason for the whip to be any lower than 3.5m, really.

 

Its not so much how good it is, its how easy it is to get, and whips are very easy to get compared to similarly high leveled melee weapons.

 

I mean, rune xbows are pretty much the best ranged weapon, yet there some ridiculously low price.

[Bladewing]

There's no reason for the whip to be any lower than 3.5m, really.

 

Its not so much how good it is, its how easy it is to get, and whips are very easy to get compared to similarly high leveled melee weapons.

 

I mean, rune xbows are pretty much the best ranged weapon, yet there some ridiculously low price.

Killing abyssal demons for 5 hours is not really easy, since in 5 hours of TDs I have just as good a shot at claws as I would of whip.

[Sir_Kurity]

There's no reason for the whip to be any lower than 3.5m, really.

 

Its not so much how good it is, its how easy it is to get, and whips are very easy to get compared to similarly high leveled melee weapons.

 

I mean, rune xbows are pretty much the best ranged weapon, yet there some ridiculously low price.

Killing abyssal demons for 5 hours is not really easy, since in 5 hours of TDs I have just as good a shot at claws as I would of whip.

The requirements for abbys are arguably lower.

 

Plus theyve been around so long, which generally means the prices are lower than some of the newer weapons.

 

Point is, the price of a weapon is not based entirely off efficiency, infact it rarely is.

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Whip hits WELL over 90% of the time on steels? try 60-70%. I don't think even rapier hits 90% of the time on lesser demons, the accuracy is capped at around 85%. Also, if the spear hits 80% of the time and whip hits 75% of the time, the spear is better. Also the difference in DPS is rather around 5% as deadly hits matter more for whip. As far as i have seen, whip is horribly inaccurate on any metal dragons and stab weapons are noticeably more accurate- even tip it monster hunting guide suggests the use of LBS rather than whip, if you want to prove something, show us some real numbers, the weakness of specific combat styles isn't something easily calculateable.

 

Edit: All of tip.it official dragon killing guides(KBD, Miths, Steels and Irons) suggest Zamorakian spear or LBS over the Whip, so unless you can provide any concrete proof, you are just fighting a wall here. It's just a pity neither of these weapons are actually the best. Also, on a similar note, is CLS slash better than stab on dragons? Because, lets be honest, 16 slash is the difference between those two modes...

[Obtaurian]

There's no reason for the whip to be any lower than 3.5m, really.

 

Its not so much how good it is, its how easy it is to get, and whips are very easy to get compared to similarly high leveled melee weapons.

 

I mean, rune xbows are pretty much the best ranged weapon, yet there some ridiculously low price.

Killing abyssal demons for 5 hours is not really easy, since in 5 hours of TDs I have just as good a shot at claws as I would of whip.

The requirements for abbys are arguably lower.

 

Plus theyve been around so long, which generally means the prices are lower than some of the newer weapons.

 

Point is, the price of a weapon is not based entirely off efficiency, infact it rarely is.

 

The requirements to access TDs are lower than that of abyssal demons.

[Quyneax]

The requirements to access TDs are lower than that of abyssal demons.

 

Quite true, but the stats and skill required to killing them efficiently are way higher. I think it's way more common for someone who reached 85 slayer to camp abyssals than for someone who just did WGS to go kill some TD's (I know I didn't have the levels back then).

[Mazhar]

The requirements for abbys are arguably lower.

 

Plus theyve been around so long, which generally means the prices are lower than some of the newer weapons.

 

Point is, the price of a weapon is not based entirely off efficiency, infact it rarely is.

Really? I'm maxed cb and still can't kill them.. :(

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Being color customizable doesn't hurt either.

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[Sir_Kurity]

The requirements to access TDs are lower than that of abyssal demons.

 

I guess its what you consider harder, 85 slayer, or WGS with all quests leading up to WGS, plus 270 QP and the requirements for WGS.

 

Actually come to think of it, slayer IS harder... I guess its because Claws are a little more recent, and TD's are harder to kill...

 

Anyway, as i said before, The price of a weapon isnt based off how good it is, but mostly how easy it is to get, plus other factors like alch price and how much demand there is. Rune crossbow is a perfect example, pretty much one of the best range training weapons, yet for a ridiculously low price, because its easy to get.

[Star_Fox]

I personally think the 1.4M price I sold most of my whips is roughly the same amount that I sell whips at 3.5m today.

Inflations definitely became noticable over the years and I can hardly make any use to the money I get from whips.

Right now, I would need like 3 whips to buy a full set of dharoks when back then I could of bought the same

for 3 whips (dharoks were insanely cheap back then).