Vegetarianism

[Saru Inc]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

It's bad for you...

 

 

Again, this might sound weird, bnut I think I'd really a enjoy a very heavy vegetarian lifestyle, but I still *would like * some meat. Like a huge bowl of salad, with maybe some sirloin cubes. I could easily go 4 days or so without meat. But I just can't feel as full unless I have the dead meat of our animal slaves resting inside me.

 

You can start now. Nothing's stopping you. Go for 'Meatless mondays' etc.

 

 

Lol I know. The problem is, here is my average schedule:

Mon

Kick boxing 6:45 am -8:20am

Computer class 9am -11am

Philosophy 1115 am -1220 pm

Work 1pm (its a 30 minute drive from school)-midnight

 

Thats for mon/wed/fri. Thurs and tues I work even more to try and scrape by with my salary. While I perfectly understand it can be just as cheap and easy to eat vegetarian, I am forced to eat fast food, on the go. In the mornings, the 40 minutes I drive home (10 minute drive) shower, and cut up 2 apples with some lime juice *so delicious* but that's the extent of it. I don't have time to eat a salad, I swear when I say every single second counts. I literally shove down a 2$ taco meal at taco bell, or thee 3$ value meal at wendys. Also, I just don't feel full eating vegetarian. I can't explain it *most likely it's more mental than physical* I can eat lbs and lbs and lbs of salad, etc. But with no meat I'm like "ARGHHH@"

[Shazarabbit]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

The only thing wrong with lots of pasta (My favorite item to include in any dish mind you!) is the carbs. Carbs are frustrating!!

 

Try to switch your pasta though to mix it up a bit. Try some wholemeal pasta, or some Mixed vegetable pasta! Mixed in with a simple white sauce and a bowl of fresh veggies its great!

[Serpent Eye]

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

Not in the slightest.

 

I didn't stop eating meat because I didn't like the taste of it. Everyone I know loves to get a great burger-and-fry every once in a while, and it's no different for me. Of course, I can't go out and buy an actual burger because that would defeat the purpose. So instead, I have to go and buy a veggie-patty or soy burger.

[Assume Nothing]

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

Not in the slightest.

 

I didn't stop eating meat because I didn't like the taste of it. Everyone I know loves to get a great burger-and-fry every once in a while, and it's no different for me. Of course, I can't go out and buy an actual burger because that would defeat the purpose. So instead, I have to go and buy a veggie-patty or soy burger.

 

So, you were a meat eater before? What made you switch?

[Skeptical]

Men should not eat soy.

Vegetarian does not automatically = soy. :thumbdown:

And saying that there is any specific food men shouldn't eat is ridiculous. :thumbdown:

 

- Gynecomastia (man boobs)

- Decrease in libido

- Mood swings

- Weight gain (particularly around the waist)

- Decreased sperm count

- Erectile dysfunction

 

And that's just the start. Phytoestrogens are evil for men, but beneficial for women (at least in moderate quantities).

 

My problem is that the majority of vegetarians tend to replace real meat (not including McDonald's burgers and hotdogs) with crap like soy "protein" and then insist that requiring supplements is not the sign of an unhealthy diet.

[magekillr]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

I never said nor implied it was wrong to eat pasta, just wondering what a vegetarian diet actually consists of. I have a vague idea of what a normal meal would look like, but I'm probably stereotyping. Hmm.

 

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

 

My diet includes the following foods:

 

Soy milk

Egg substitute

Vegetables (broccoli, tomatoes, green beans, carrots, etc)

Beans (garbanzo, black, pinto, red kidney, lentils)

Bread

Pasta

Rice

Potatoes

Protein Powder

Fruit (mostly bananas)

Olives and oils

Tortillas

Juices (OJ and Apple)

Tofu

Seitan

Peanut Butter and assorted nuts

 

And then you can mix and match these ingredients with different recipes.

 

I eat 4,000-5,000 calories per day, 160-200 grams of protein, well over my required iron, calcium and vitamins, and my calories come from 65% Carbs, 25% Protein and 10% Fat.

[Assume Nothing]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

I never said nor implied it was wrong to eat pasta, just wondering what a vegetarian diet actually consists of. I have a vague idea of what a normal meal would look like, but I'm probably stereotyping. Hmm.

 

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

 

My diet includes the following foods:

 

Soy milk

Egg substitute

Vegetables (broccoli, tomatoes, green beans, carrots, etc)

Beans (garbanzo, black, pinto, red kidney, lentils)

Bread

Pasta

Rice

Potatoes

Protein Powder

Fruit (mostly bananas)

Olives and oils

Tortillas

Juices (OJ and Apple)

Tofu

Seitan

Peanut Butter and assorted nuts

 

And then you can mix and match these ingredients with different recipes.

 

I eat 4,000-5,000 calories per day, 160-200 grams of protein, well over my required iron, calcium and vitamins, and my calories come from 65% Carbs, 25% Protein and 10% Fat.

 

4000 calories? Are you a body builder or a fatty?

[Alg]

4000 calories? Are you a body builder or a fatty?

Probably understandable if he's very active. Runners, for example, are supposed to get a lot of carbs, I think, and chances are he's healthier than the guy that eats 3,000 calories daily and sits around on his ass at the computer for 13 hours. If he's an athlete he's most likely going to use them.

 

I don't know this stuff for sure, I'm no medical expert.

[EarthySun]

I have no problem with vegetarianism it itself... in fact, I find the concept fine. However, people have differing reasons for it, and it turns out that I just plain hate most vegetarians.

 

My friend EJ was a vegetarian because that's how his dad raised him, but he ate meat during Thanksgiving or whatever (his dad was fine with it).

With that one friend as the exception, all other vegetarians that I've met, I've hated. For instance, there's a girl in my class who wouldn't eat the pizza from our school (ordered from Papa John's, not school-made) because it had pepperoni on it. I asked why, and she said she was a vegetarian and couldn't even take the meat off and eat it, nor could she wipe off the meat-juice with a napkin or anything of the sort. She says she's a vegetarian because whenever she eats meat, she "sees the face of the animal that died". -.-

[magekillr]

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Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

I never said nor implied it was wrong to eat pasta, just wondering what a vegetarian diet actually consists of. I have a vague idea of what a normal meal would look like, but I'm probably stereotyping. Hmm.

 

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

 

My diet includes the following foods:

 

Soy milk

Egg substitute

Vegetables (broccoli, tomatoes, green beans, carrots, etc)

Beans (garbanzo, black, pinto, red kidney, lentils)

Bread

Pasta

Rice

Potatoes

Protein Powder

Fruit (mostly bananas)

Olives and oils

Tortillas

Juices (OJ and Apple)

Tofu

Seitan

Peanut Butter and assorted nuts

 

And then you can mix and match these ingredients with different recipes.

 

I eat 4,000-5,000 calories per day, 160-200 grams of protein, well over my required iron, calcium and vitamins, and my calories come from 65% Carbs, 25% Protein and 10% Fat.

 

4000 calories? Are you a body builder or a fatty?

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There's pictures on the RL pictures area, but this one is from July when I went hiking in the mountains all day:

 

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I'm not a bodybuilder, but I do lift weights and I do workout. I lift three days a week (biceps/triceps Monday, legs/abs Wednesday, shoulders/chest/back Friday), workout 6 days a week. I need 3,000 a day just to live (assuming I didn't workout).

 

I just got back from the gym, actually, and before I went I ate approximately 1/2 a pound of pasta (630 calories) at around 3:20, and when I left at 5:20 I felt like I was going to faint because of how hungry I was (I take the bus so I was only there for around an hour and 20 minutes). Got back at like 6:00 (went to the food store), and drank a 1,300 calorie protein shake. So that's 2,000 calories right there.

 

If you eat small and often, your body will get so used to it that you'll build a strong metabolism and burn your calories properly rather than letting them sit.

[KittyKat]

There is no way in hell you need that much protein.

[magekillr]

There is no way in hell you need that much protein.

 

If you're building muscle you need 0.75 to 1 g of protein per pound of body weight. I rarely hit 200 grams per day, the average is 150. I weigh 160 pounds.

 

In any case, that amount of protein isn't even manufactured, it's just how much I take in with my regular diet (because I eat a lot of beans).

[Skeptical]

As long as you're working out seriously, you can take take up to a gram per pound of body weight, but there is a cap, although I can't remember it.

[Serpent Eye]

I have no problem with vegetarianism it itself... in fact, I find the concept fine. However, people have differing reasons for it, and it turns out that I just plain hate most vegetarians.

 

My friend EJ was a vegetarian because that's how his dad raised him, but he ate meat during Thanksgiving or whatever (his dad was fine with it).

With that one friend as the exception, all other vegetarians that I've met, I've hated. For instance, there's a girl in my class who wouldn't eat the pizza from our school (ordered from Papa John's, not school-made) because it had pepperoni on it. I asked why, and she said she was a vegetarian and couldn't even take the meat off and eat it, nor could she wipe off the meat-juice with a napkin or anything of the sort. She says she's a vegetarian because whenever she eats meat, she "sees the face of the animal that died". -.-

I don't see why you would hate the girl for doing that.

 

I do that all the time. At my work, a lot of my coworkers order in pizza sometimes, and they'll say to me, "We got pepperoni, but you can have some if you want," assuming that I would be fine with removing the meat or fat. I would never, ever pick off pepperoni from a pizza, mop up the juice, and then turn around and eat it. That's like asking a vegetarian to drink a cup of chicken broth, just because it technically doesn't have meat in it.

 

And for what it's worth, while your friend EJ's reason is perfectly valid, I find that Random Girl's reasoning for being a vegetarian is far more honorable and respectable.

[Assume Nothing]

I have no problem with vegetarianism it itself... in fact, I find the concept fine. However, people have differing reasons for it, and it turns out that I just plain hate most vegetarians.

 

My friend EJ was a vegetarian because that's how his dad raised him, but he ate meat during Thanksgiving or whatever (his dad was fine with it).

With that one friend as the exception, all other vegetarians that I've met, I've hated. For instance, there's a girl in my class who wouldn't eat the pizza from our school (ordered from Papa John's, not school-made) because it had pepperoni on it. I asked why, and she said she was a vegetarian and couldn't even take the meat off and eat it, nor could she wipe off the meat-juice with a napkin or anything of the sort. She says she's a vegetarian because whenever she eats meat, she "sees the face of the animal that died". -.-

I don't see why you would hate the girl for doing that.

 

I do that all the time. At my work, a lot of my coworkers order in pizza sometimes, and they'll say to me, "We got pepperoni, but you can have some if you want," assuming that I would be fine with removing the meat or fat. I would never, ever pick off pepperoni from a pizza, mop up the juice, and then turn around and eat it. That's like asking a vegetarian to drink a cup of chicken broth, just because it technically doesn't have meat in it.

 

And for what it's worth, while your friend EJ's reason is perfectly valid, I find that Random Girl's reasoning for being a vegetarian is far more honorable and respectable.

 

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

[Serpent Eye]

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

As I said a few posts back, I won't eat anything until I know what's in it. The only exception is, of course, unless it's something I've had before, and I know what it does or doesn't contain.

[Assume Nothing]

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

As I said a few posts back, I won't eat anything until I know what's in it. The only exception is, of course, unless it's something I've had before, and I know what it does or doesn't contain.

 

But why? Why would you deliberately restrict yourself in that way? Even in so called Vegetarian products, there's sometimes traces of animal in it, disguised under chemical names

[Serpent Eye]

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

As I said a few posts back, I won't eat anything until I know what's in it. The only exception is, of course, unless it's something I've had before, and I know what it does or doesn't contain.

 

But why? Why would you deliberately restrict yourself in that way? Even in so called Vegetarian products, there's sometimes traces of animal in it, disguised under chemical names

I don't eat "so called" vegetarian food.

 

I eat vegetarian food.

 

And I know what ingredients come from animal products, even if they don't say "chicken [blank]" or anything like that on the label. It's not that hard to do research and find out where certain ingredients and chemicals come from. :thumbup:

[Danqazmlp]

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

 

Not always. I have a friend who accidentally ate a sausage at a BBQ (was given a real sausage instead of a veggie one accidental) and threw it up. It was only after that she found out it was a real one. her body had never eaten any sort of meat so it threw it back out.

[Assume Nothing]

It's weird though. People probably wouldn't even notice when they 'accidently consume' some meat, only until someone tells them that they start freaking out.

 

Not always. I have a friend who accidentally ate a sausage at a BBQ (was given a real sausage instead of a veggie one accidental) and threw it up. It was only after that she found out it was a real one. her body had never eaten any sort of meat so it threw it back out.

 

Hence probably. Some people just can't take it into their system, some people just think it's the morally right thing to do. What I said earlier applies better to the latter.

[Assume Nothing]

So, to contribute a little to this dying thread (I guess many of the arguments have already been covered), what are the benefits of a Vegetarian diet? I mean nutritionally, not Environmentally (the only strong argument for Vegetarianism)

[KittyKat]

So, to contribute a little to this dying thread (I guess many of the arguments have already been covered), what are the benefits of a Vegetarian diet? I mean nutritionally, not Environmentally (the only strong argument for Vegetarianism)

I don't know, maybe living longer is a plus? Also, eating meatless brings about a significant reduction in the chance of having a heart attack.

[Assume Nothing]

So, to contribute a little to this dying thread (I guess many of the arguments have already been covered), what are the benefits of a Vegetarian diet? I mean nutritionally, not Environmentally (the only strong argument for Vegetarianism)

I don't know, maybe living longer is a plus? Also, eating meatless brings about a significant reduction in the chance of having a heart attack.

A meat diet doesn't exclude Vegetables... so I don't know where 'living longer' theory comes from. I agree partly with the heart attack risk thing, it does increase the risk a little, but if you have a healthy lifestyle anyway, the difference will be minimal (conducted surveys will always be biased, the average meat eater eats less vegetables in general, and watches their diet less)

[KittyKat]

So, to contribute a little to this dying thread (I guess many of the arguments have already been covered), what are the benefits of a Vegetarian diet? I mean nutritionally, not Environmentally (the only strong argument for Vegetarianism)

I don't know, maybe living longer is a plus? Also, eating meatless brings about a significant reduction in the chance of having a heart attack.

A meat diet doesn't exclude Vegetables... so I don't know where 'living longer' theory comes from. I agree partly with the heart attack risk thing, it does increase the risk a little, but if you have a healthy lifestyle anyway, the difference will be minimal (conducted surveys will always be biased, the average meat eater eats less vegetables in general, and watches their diet less)

Eating meat is fine, but the average american eats six times the amount of meat the FDA recommends.

[Alg]

Eating meat is fine, but the average american eats six times the amount of meat the FDA recommends.

Which is probably where all of the problems come from.