Vegetarianism

[Assume Nothing]

 

The industrial food machine commits horrors on such a scale as to not just frighten, but to rend one's mind with the sheer scale of pain and moral obliviousness.

 

Ahh, so you don't eat, right?

 

Being vegetarian is not unhealthy in the slightest - like with meat-eating it has its advantages and disadvantages.

 

I would almost agree with you, until you said this; "Being vegetarian is not unhealthy in the slightest".

 

http://www.webmd.com/food-recipes/news/20030618/vegetarian-diet-b12-deficiency

 

All food groups consumed on their own are unbalanced.

[obfuscator]

I'll rephrase that. Vegetarianism is not any more unhealthy then meat-eating.

[Assume Nothing]

I'll rephrase that. Vegetarianism is not any more unhealthy then meat-eating.

 

Also untrue. Did you read the article I linked? 'Increased risk of B12 Deficiency, heart attack, stroke, fragile bones, etc.'

[Kimberly]

All food groups consumed on their own are unbalanced.

 

So it's impossible to be deficient in nutrients if you eat meat?

 

Let's be reasonable here.

[Assume Nothing]

All food groups consumed on their own are unbalanced.

 

So it's impossible to be deficient in nutrients if you eat meat?

 

Let's be reasonable here.

 

Meat eaters don't exclude themselves from any foods. Therefore, one can assume that you can't be deficient of other nutrients if you eat a balanced variety of everything.

[Kimberly]

All food groups consumed on their own are unbalanced.

 

So it's impossible to be deficient in nutrients if you eat meat?

 

Let's be reasonable here.

 

Meat eaters don't exclude themselves from any foods. Therefore, one can assume that you can't be deficient of other nutrients if you eat a balanced variety of everything.

 

Do vitamin supplements, beans, tofu, etc not exist where you live that vegitarians in your area are woefully malnourished?

[Skeptical]

Being a vegetarian isn't too horrible, as long as you supplement like crazy, and minimize carb consumption. Pretty hard, eh?

[Assume Nothing]

All food groups consumed on their own are unbalanced.

 

So it's impossible to be deficient in nutrients if you eat meat?

 

Let's be reasonable here.

 

Meat eaters don't exclude themselves from any foods. Therefore, one can assume that you can't be deficient of other nutrients if you eat a balanced variety of everything.

 

Do vitamin supplements, beans, tofu, etc not exist where you live that vegitarians in your area are woefully malnourished?

 

"Spirulina, an algae available as a dietary supplement in tablet form, and nori, a seaweed, have both appeared to contain significant amounts of B12 after analysis. However, it is thought that this is due to the presence of compounds structurally similar to B12, known as B12 analogues. These cannot be utilised to satisfy dietary needs. Assay methods used to detect B12 are unable to differentiate between B12 and it's analogues, Analysis of possible B12 sources may give false positive results due to the presence of these analogues.

 

Researchers have suggested that supposed B12 supplements such as spirulina may in fact increase the risk of B12 deficiency disease, as the B12 analogues can compete with B12 and inhibit metabolism.

 

The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied on as a safe source of vitamin B12"

 

Doesn't sound too good to me. But that is generally aimed at Vegans, the strict Vegetarian.

[D Jay99]

Veg for 17 years and no deficients (deficiencies?) at all, hi

 

The reason why people usually claim vegetarianism is more healthy is because vegetarians usually put more thought into what they eat, meat eaters usually just eat, like you said, everything, without really thinking about what they eat.

If meat eaters would actually pay as much attention to their diet as vegs they'd probs eat a bit more healthy, yes. But I wouldn't go around claiming a vegetarian diet is more unhealthy when the article you're quoting is talking about vegans.

[Serpent Eye]

"Spirulina, an algae available as a dietary supplement in tablet form, and nori, a seaweed, have both appeared to contain significant amounts of B12 after analysis. However, it is thought that this is due to the presence of compounds structurally similar to B12, known as B12 analogues. These cannot be utilised to satisfy dietary needs. Assay methods used to detect B12 are unable to differentiate between B12 and it's analogues, Analysis of possible B12 sources may give false positive results due to the presence of these analogues.

 

Researchers have suggested that supposed B12 supplements such as spirulina may in fact increase the risk of B12 deficiency disease, as the B12 analogues can compete with B12 and inhibit metabolism.

 

The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied on as a safe source of vitamin B12"

 

Doesn't sound too good to me. But that is generally aimed at Vegans, the strict Vegetarian.

I noticed you linked to webMD earlier.

 

You should look up some information on the health benefits of a vegetarian diet while you're there.

 

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-lifestyle-guide/vegetarians-vitamins Mainly the second video about supplements.

 

:thumbup:

 

As D Jay99 said above, a lot of us have been vegetarians for a long time, and we don't have any deficiencies or health problems.

[Shazarabbit]

I've agreed with numerous posts in this topic. Which is surprising.

 

Honestly, I could go completely vegeterian if i really wanted too. As it is now, I don't really eat RED meats, i cannot stand the smell, the taste or the texture. If I have to eat it, It must be smothered in a sauce of somesorts to hide it and even then it makes me sick to the stomach.

 

Each to his own, if you want to eat meat go for it.

 

If you don't want to then don't. But won't someone please think of the plants??? :P

[Serpent Eye]

But won't someone please think of the plants??? :P

I do think of them. In my stomach. :twisted:

 

 

 

Hurrrr.

[Assume Nothing]

But won't someone please think of the plants??? :P

I do think of them. In my stomach. :twisted:

 

 

 

Hurrrr.

 

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

[D Jay99]

Pasta, rice, potatoes (and all varieties on that, fries etc), couscous, soup, pizza, pancakes, quiche, etc. Of course with various kinds of vegetables etc, and also I find meat replacements to be pretty good around here, not just tofu at all (http://www.tivall.co.uk/, http://www.valess.nl/).

 

And please dont start an argument about how meat replacements look like meat and are supposed to taste like meat etc, I get that so much it's not even funny. "But why make it look and taste like meat if youre against eating meat??" Hurr that's not my choice, it tastes good, contains proteins and is vegetarian that's why I eat it.

[Serpent Eye]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

I eat every food in existance other than meat, fish, or products containing animal by-products (fat, stock, broth, gelatin, etc.)

 

 

I have a reoccurring subscription to Vegetarian Times magazine; the above are just a few of what I have. They're full of amazing recipes, most of them vegetarian, but a few of them are vegan-friendly as well. It's like $5.00 USD for 12 issues.

[Skeptical]

Men should not eat soy.

[xSxqPowerx]

Meh. I don't see the appeal in it. Meat is good.

However, my girlfriend is a vegetarian. She doesn't try to push it on me or anyone so of course I am fine with it. :thumbup:

[Serpent Eye]

Men should not eat soy.

Vegetarian does not automatically = soy. :thumbdown:

[Alg]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

[Giordano]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

The poor cows push the windmills to grind the flour. :sad:

 

At least in rural Italy.

[Assume Nothing]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

I never said nor implied it was wrong to eat pasta, just wondering what a vegetarian diet actually consists of. I have a vague idea of what a normal meal would look like, but I'm probably stereotyping. Hmm.

 

Why would Vegetarians want to eat fake meat products anyway? Doesn't that defeat some of the purpose? Hmm

[Alg]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

The poor cows push the windmills to grind the flour. :sad:

 

At least in rural Italy.

That's more exercise than the average American gets in a lifetime. :mrgreen:

[TTanT]

Men should not eat soy.

Vegetarian does not automatically = soy. :thumbdown:

And saying that there is any specific food men shouldn't eat is ridiculous. :thumbdown:

 

But anyways, has anyone here just simply mixed tofu and pasta together (like, cooked them togetehr), and then put parmesan cheese or pasta sauce on it? So simple, yet so good. It's also good for you nutrionally, as I eat that pretty much every night, along with a varying vegetable, and I'm defintiely in decent shape and good health. :thumbup:

 

EDIT: I didn't even see those posts, but I responded to them anyways. :mrgreen:

 

When I'm not having my staple dinner, I soemtiems have cheese pizza, or a veggie sub. Lasanga and ravioli are other commonly ingested foodstuffs. (My vegetable that I have tends to cycle through the following: cauliflower, carrots, cucumber, green pepper, spinach and broccoli. There may be one or two more, but I can't think of them if there are right now.

 

Where would vegetarians be without Italy?

[Saru Inc]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

It's bad for you...

 

 

Again, this might sound weird, bnut I think I'd really a enjoy a very heavy vegetarian lifestyle, but I still *would like * some meat. Like a huge bowl of salad, with maybe some sirloin cubes. I could easily go 4 days or so without meat. But I just can't feel as full unless I have the dead meat of our animal slaves resting inside me.

[Assume Nothing]

Subtopic; What do you normally eat anyways? Pasta?

Is there something wrong with copious amounts of pasta? Personally, I eat more of that than meat, I think...

 

It's bad for you...

 

 

Again, this might sound weird, bnut I think I'd really a enjoy a very heavy vegetarian lifestyle, but I still *would like * some meat. Like a huge bowl of salad, with maybe some sirloin cubes. I could easily go 4 days or so without meat. But I just can't feel as full unless I have the dead meat of our animal slaves resting inside me.

 

You can start now. Nothing's stopping you. Go for 'Meatless mondays' etc.