http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2002/11/ma_153_01.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But when Shea-Keneally insisted on an explanation, she was in for an even bigger surprise: The recruiters cited the No Child Left Behind Act, President Bush's sweeping new education law passed earlier this year. There, buried deep within the law's 670 pages, is a provision requiring public secondary schools to provide military recruiters not only with access to facilities, but also with contact information for every student -- or face a cutoff of all federal aid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So much for a student's right to privacy. In any federally-funded high school, an army recruiter can walk up to the administration and retrieve a full list of names, adresses and phonenumbers of all students. With the threat of having their funding cut, schools don't really seem to have a choice but to give them the information they want. Are students really helped with this kind of violation of their basic human rights? Under this clause, any American high school student can wake up one morning with an army recruiter on the doorstep or on the phone.

Its like with telemarketers, no one is forcing another to listen. If they turn up just throw them out or hang up.

It's not like the government would have very much trouble getting people's contact info anyway. Also not really a matter of privacy, either. They're not spying on you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree it is kind of :-/, though, and if it went much farther I'd really be upset.

Under this clause, any American high school student can wake up one morning with an army recruiter on the doorstep or on the phone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wherein all they have to say is "no thanks".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't think telemarketers having access to your phone number, colleges reading your transcripts and offering you scholarships, and mormons coming to your doorstep to talk to you about Jesus is any different.

I don't answer the door or the phone so meh...whatever.

 

Under this clause, any American high school student can wake up one morning with an army recruiter on the doorstep or on the phone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wherein all they have to say is "no thanks".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't think telemarketers having access to your phone number, colleges reading your transcripts and offering you scholarships, and mormons coming to your doorstep to talk to you about Jesus is any different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see your point but some uniformed person wanting to send you to war, for me anyway, would be more intimidating.

This isn't exactly new, its been out (and known) since No Child Left Behind was passed :? .

The army is run by the government.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The government takes the census of the United States.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you expect the Army to not have full access to all of that kind of information?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(When I turned 18 I was sent a letter telling me to register for the selective surfaces (draft). Surely I wasn't surprised that the Selective Services had my name and address on record.)

Hurray for democrazy! :lol:

just say no thanks, you dont have to join if you dont want to. and if you are anti-war person, dont look at this as a bad thing, make it into a good thing. you could get into a debate with the recuiter, that could be fun.

just say no thanks, you dont have to join if you dont want to. and if you are anti-war person, dont look at this as a bad thing, make it into a good thing. you could get into a debate with the recuiter, that could be fun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha....make them think you're really interested so that they will want to try and persuade you, then start arguing every point :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also...

 

 

 

From the article:

Educators point out that the armed services have exceeded their recruitment goals for the past two years in a row, even without access to every school

 

 

 

I thought recruiters were having trouble meeting recruiter quotas :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: nvmnd, this article is three years old :roll:

I see your point but some uniformed person wanting to send you to war, for me anyway, would be more intimidating.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At which point you rudely tell him to stuff it up his pie-hole :D

 

I see your point but some uniformed person wanting to send you to war, for me anyway, would be more intimidating.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At which point you rudely tell him to stuff it up his pie-hole :D

At which point he will chop you into little pieces and flush you down the toilet-And then claim you were a terrorist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No terrorist left unflushed.

:? I dotn really see the problem here. Sure they get the phone numbers and address, but other then that, all they can do is call or phone you and ask to join. Am i right that the USA has no Conscription right now? Cause if they did, that would be another story.

If someone tried that on me, I'd contest that I'd be more usefull fighting in urban warefare on my own turf - should it come to that :P

Sigh... last year, when I was a high school senior, the dudes from the army tried to call me and tell me I should join up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you know me, you probably know it's not my thing. I don't believe the government should be enticing kids to risk their lives for a cause they don't believe in to murder other people... just so they can have enough money to pay for an education. In the US, a great deal of the people who join the army do so to enable them to pay for college/university.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway. So I tell the dude it's not my thing. That should suffice, right? But no, he asks me to explain why. He thinks he can convince me. I warn him that no... it's REALLY not my thing. He says he can't see any good reason not to join, and he'd like to hear my reasoning. Okay, well, he's asking for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I start to explain that I don't believe murder is okay even if you call it patriotism. He explains that I wouldn't have to ever be in combat, and that I could just be all paperworky and [cabbage].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then I start ranting about government funding being cut from education and public welfare and being spent on defense, and brainwashing kids into doing the army just so they can get a decent education and subsequently a decent living, telling them they won't have to risk their lives and then asking them to later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He hung up on me. That's right, the telemarketer for the army hung up on ME :(

Meh, it was about how I was recruited. He(the recruiter) calls, the kid says no, the recruiter stops calling. 3ish months later he calls back the kid..sometimes.

To those saying that "the government takes the census, so of course the army has access to everyone's names and addresses" - the UK government takes a census, and I've never had an army recruiter phone me up or anyone else I know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The UK army shows up at campus careers days and has a stand, and they also have adverts on the t.v. - but just because they're the army, they don't get free reign to spam and annoy.

To those saying that "the government takes the census, so of course the army has access to everyone's names and addresses" - the UK government takes a census, and I've never had an army recruiter phone me up or anyone else I know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The UK army shows up at campus careers days and has a stand, and they also have adverts on the t.v. - but just because they're the army, they don't get free reign to spam and annoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You misused my logic there (I was the one who said that). I didn't say "The gov't takes a census, therefore the recruiters call me." I only said they have your information so its not that strange of a thing for the army to have access for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I live in the U.S. an have never been called be a recruiter. But I could be called by a recruiter, just like a I could be called by any telemarketer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Certainly they can't continuously annoy you, that would be harrassment and we have laws against it. I don't understand the point you're trying to make. :?

i just thought of another place where they can get your phone number and address, rather than the census place. the phone book. yep, they could pick up a phone book and get all the information they need to contact you.

I have read every single post, and the article. I have yet to find the problem.

I got free temporary tatoos and keychains the last time an army recruited went to our career fair! :lol:

I got free temporary tatoos and keychains the last time an army recruited went to our career fair! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is seriously the best thing about senior year. So many colleges and military services come to recruit you and are willing to give you so much free stuff in order to do so. :P

Correct me if I'm wrong but I belive its federal law to register for the draft when you turn 18 in the US. By register I mean you get a card in the mail and you fill out your birthday and SS# so if there is a draft they know you excist. Also if they call, as they did to me, jsut say that you are in college/you have just been accepted to college and your parents can afford to pay everything for you (even if thats not the case) No one in their right mind would try and persue someone to leave a college that there not paying for to go fight in Iraq.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I belive its federal law to register for the draft when you turn 18 in the US. By register I mean you get a card in the mail and you fill out your birthday and SS# so if there is a draft they know you excist. Also if they call, as they did to me, jsut say that you are in college/you have just been accepted to college and your parents can afford to pay everything for you (even if thats not the case) No one in their right mind would try and persue someone to leave a college that there not paying for to go fight in Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You basically have the jest of it.