RuneScape Blunders! A look back at 2005...

[rambaldi]

i dont really want in on your flame war but i would like to point out a couple of misconceptions you appear to have

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that i didnt not compare the drop rate with the queen to the drop rate of dust devils. Rather i presented a view in comparison to what it would take to obtain an item like this. Dust devils are midlevel monsters which can be taken down easily. Also, from what i presume they are good combat exp and sometimes drop food and other useful items. Regardless of your assumption that boss monsters become harder over time, which i struggle to understnad, the KQ's drop rate wasnt the issue. the issue was that jagex made the KQ harder yet provided an easier way to obtain the chain. And to say that this change had no effect on the economy is just plain foolish considering how chains jumped 10 mil suddenly then becan to spiral down after many people started hunting for chains at dustdevils.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if i remember the KQ update your talking about, its the one where u could entabgle her and kill 150+ a trip, that was removed for obvious reasons (you shouldnt be able to kill the hardest monster (at the time) in the game that many times per trip with out taking any damage) yes it had an effect on the price of the drag chain (so did taking the pic off and putting it back on) but that wasnt the intention

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In case you have not noticed, Jagex has made every effort to prevent a whole phat fiasco from happening again by making all holiday items untradeable since the [Caution: Jagex Rule Violation] and bunny hood. Im not completely sure but it think it was a jagex mod who said that the main reason for releasing better dragon armor (d legs) was to lower the price on other dragon equipment so more people would use them in PVP. This was mentioned around the time that people discovered the droprate for d legs made it very easy to obtain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they made holiday items untradeable becuase they didnt want to disadvantage those that were able to log on on one specific day . i am not sure about the release of the d legs, i wasnt playing at that time and i havent seen anything from a jmod about this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet they allowed many people to level their way into the high levels for an entire year, then decided to change it. How hard do you think it would have been to change since the beginning of rs2? Change what? one number in the coding.... Honestly, do you think that those who are allready 85+ magic using crumble undead before it was changed were right in what they did? Because guess what, they have allready "exploited" this as a form of training, and if they considered it bug abuse, then everyone over lvl 85 should be banned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its not the base exp that was being abused, in the past none of the staffs could auto cast crumble undead which is why it gave you more experiance but wasnt used for training, the slayer staff gave u this ability and people abused it resulting in the experiance being lowered to be on par with other spells of its level/rune requirement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rule 7.

 

 

 

Macroing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You must not attempt to use other programs (e.g. bots, macros or autominers) in conjunction with our games to give

 

 

 

yourself an unfair advantage at the game. You also may not circumvent any of our mechanisms designed to log out inactive users automatically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

perhaps if you pulled your own head out of your rectal area long enough you would have been able to understand that the rules prohibit using their systems for logging out inactive users to keep yourself logged in. That includes holding down keys on your keyboard with a heavy object, or any other method which you can abuse to keep yourself logged in.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AFK training is using a monster that is agressive to u but dosent do much damage, allowing u to train there for long periods of time with out having to pay attention. not something i personally agree with but its not against the rule that u posted as that rule is to do with autoing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[quot]Of course rsc was harder to play.. ALL games get easier in some fields over the course of time for newer players, it's just the way the MMO market works buddy. Rsc to rs2 - 4 to 20 level decrease in all monsters. RSC required you to get the kill for the XP, meaning someone could hit the last 1hp and get all the XP.... Remember legends in rsc? No? then kindly shut the hell up, for that is a FINE example of how easy rs2 has become.. i saw a level 40 pure mage in falador park with the legends cape. THAT pissed me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, now this made me laugh. This guy flames me while agreeing with me that rsc was harder to play than rs2. gj.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he is stating that the game got easier as does all or most mmos over time, he argues that this is for the best, you disagree fair enough ur entitled to your own opinion but accept that not every1 agrees with u and if they dont they are not necessarily flaming u

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

basically, judging by your low post count, and date of account creation, you obviously dont have a damn clue as to what you are talking about. Or have any cognition of the thoughts of many of the users who attend these boards. I can assure you that many of the people here are very good players who devote time and energy to create a vibrant gaming community for runescape. Your post only degrades and demoralizes the intelligence of these forums and allows ignorance to breed. Er... good job buddy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

stop after that first bit, a low post count and recent creation of account does not necessarily mean that some1 dosent know what they are talking about, i personally dont consider my post count that high but i have been reading threads for quite a while on these forums, i think i have a pretty good understanding of the comunity (although i may be wrong). this poster certainly wasnt trying to degrade, demoralize or change the community in anyway, he was trying to present his views which contrasted your own

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(now i am sorry if this post comes out all funny, i tried to edit such that you can see what i am replying to wiht out having masses of stuff but i dont think i got it right everywhere, also please excuse my spelling, i am not a very good typist)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: i am suprised there havent been more posts complaining about wip + maul special

[Gamerr]

I have to agree with Bubsa, the RS-shop was one of the few-jagex-2005-blunders :D

[Iantiger]

Great post, enjoyed reading it! :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully the future wont hold so many blunders!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Ian

[Drift_In_Blood]

 

 

 

basically, judging by your low post count, and date of account creation, you obviously dont have a damn clue as to what you are talking about. Or have any cognition of the thoughts of many of the users who attend these boards. I can assure you that many of the people here are very good players who devote time and energy to create a vibrant gaming community for runescape. Your post only degrades and demoralizes the intelligence of these forums and allows ignorance to breed. Er... good job buddy?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My post count and account creation dates have nothing to do with anything, who's to say i haven't been playing for four years, and an active member of several other forums? I've seen all of these "Blunders" you talk about, and yes, guthix tea, i admit i was wrong about, yet, the KQ and the Dust devils are completely [developmentally delayed]ed points to bring up..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

KQ isn't meant to be killed 50+ times per trip. that's just [developmentally delayed]ed, in this case, it's very obvious why JagEx made the KQ harder... because people were bug abusing..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Dust Devil argument, being that they should not drop D chains, is also, completely [developmentally delayed]ed. They take most people 3k+ DDs to get a chain, while the only other monster in the game takes a team, or full veracs ><

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I admit, it was 3:00 am when i made that post, and i ma not have been thinking as clearly as i am now, but bringing my post count, etc, was completely wrong of you to do..

[ShadowFire]

I think they need to calm down with the stupid quests..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Add a major update.. thats fun..no idea what though

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I lost like 5k ranks because im 1 farming. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed, I've had to work really hard on other skills to stay in the top 100k because I'm 1 Farming with 0 exp in it. I just wish they would sort farming out and make it useful and slightly better to train instead of trying to make it useful by making it a requirment in all new quests. A Jagex mod a while ago replyed to someone saying Agility is useless by saying "Well if it is needed in lots of quests, surely that makes it useful?" and they are doing the same with Farming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, Garden of Tranquility needs Farming, but nearly all the others don't, the farming just seems to be rammed into any quest lazily in a desperate bid to make people train it, just like Agility. But at least with Agility it has become useful outside of quests recently with the new shortcuts.

[assassin_696]

Good post, has anyone else mentioned the mage bow special nerfed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the AFK thing, it's not against the rules since you're not using another program to circumvent the rules and i don't know if you've ever AFKed but you don't use a heavy object either :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically there are certain situations where the monster aggressiveness and frequency allow you to not be at the keyboard. This isn't using any outside programs, in fact i think it's called "tactical advantages", it's not against the rules pal.

[apinagez]

Excellent post, I specially like it because it justifyes itself why I quit Runescape so soon (after playing from the last weeks of classic to about sept. this year).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex made this game too much "plastic", too much artificial, not as a rpg is supposed to be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are no unique-super-expensive-only-for-the-best items, any newb can achieve amazing stuff, such as teleportation and there's no stability, you never know if you should buy an item, you can't trust the Economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never thought about the dragon armor issue through those lens, but it's really clear now: Jagex wants to make it cheap enough to pk (maybe about 4m per set would be reasonable?), but people don't know, because of it's "mystic", if it is supposed to be an unique armor, wich runescape needs.

[thebigcheez]

I don't know if anyone already said this, but let's not forget the dragon hatchet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex released a hatchet that's rare, and no better than rune for it's real use. Jagex even admits that it doesn't cut faster.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If it's no better, then why have it? >_<

[RSgamer]

i think everyone forgot the day zezima got banned... biggest mistake jagex made.

[teh_soldier]

Runescape shop.

 

 

 

I resteth my caseth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i agree

 

 

 

ps: dont mocketh my lispeth :lol:

[Lord_Muijs]

I have to agree with Bubsa, the RS-shop was one of the few-jagex-2005-blunders :D

i dont, im not gonna buy anything from it (even if i could, im on the wrong side of the channel for that. 8) )

 

 

 

but it allows jagex to make more money without raising membership fees.

 

 

 

more money = more employees = more scum bannings + more updates! = a better runescape!

[Suliman101]

in response to rambaldi:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if i remember the KQ update your talking about, its the one where u could entabgle her and kill 150+ a trip, that was removed for obvious reasons (you shouldnt be able to kill the hardest monster (at the time) in the game that many times per trip with out taking any damage) yes it had an effect on the price of the drag chain (so did taking the pic off and putting it back on) but that wasnt the intention

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not talking about anything like that. Im talking about the updates they did to make the KQ stronger as in stronger attacks (anyone who goes on KQ trips can tell you that she didnt always use the attacks she does now), certain resistances i guess. Also, the KQ was changed before barrows was introduced, thus making the chain price jump to 32 mil. Then barrows armor was released which was better than dragon. Its kind of confusing when they want to lower the price of something yet they want to make it harder to get. Im not completely sure, but i know im not talking about an instance where jagex removed a bug that allowed people to solo the kq hundreds of times per trip. I never even heard of such an occasion, other than something about a safespot i heard about a while back.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they made holiday items untradeable becuase they didnt want to disadvantage those that were able to log on on one specific day . i am not sure about the release of the d legs, i wasnt playing at that time and i havent seen anything from a jmod about this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i doubt that was the sole reason for why they made holiday items untradeable. I mean, common sense would tell you that they didnt want the entire economy to be controlled by high priced items which have no real value. About the d legs, i think a mod on the official forums stated something about that. Idk if anyone took a screen of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its not the base exp that was being abused, in the past none of the staffs could auto cast crumble undead which is why it gave you more experiance but wasnt used for training, the slayer staff gave u this ability and people abused it resulting in the experiance being lowered to be on par with other spells of its level/rune requirement

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one used crumbles to train magic? erm? i would have to disagree with you there dude. Even before slayer many people bought large stocks of chaos runes and crumbled their way to higher levels. Many people knew that crumbles gave the best exp for chaos runes, they even suggested this to many other people looking to improve their magic lvls. Now when jagex introduces the slayer staff that AUTOCASTS CRUMBLE i mean people just have to put two and two together. Logically people would use the staff for this purpose, i mean, even before slayer people wanted a staff that could autocast crumble for that exact reason.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AFK training is using a monster that is agressive to u but dosent do much damage, allowing u to train there for long periods of time with out having to pay attention. not something i personally agree with but its not against the rule that u posted as that rule is to do with autoing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well maybe im not understanding the rules correctly. but if you look at the part i examined (the rest of the rule doesnt apply to anything) they said that we (the players) must not abuse any of their (jagex) mechanisms to keep ones self logged in. Umm. If a monster is attacking you and your not pressing any keys then you stay logged in? if that is true why does x ing log you out? i thought that inactivity regardless of whats happening to you on the screen makes you log out, so people press keys down to fool the games "mechanisms" into thinking that they are logged in. idk, but thats what i thought jagex was trying to say. otherwise, what exactly does that last part mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again i wasnt disagreeing with him that the game got easier. These are conflicts that are generally considered by many people here. I was just stating things that people have said on these forums about rsc being more of a challenge. I dont think my writing implied that i took a side in the arguement. I was just citing that issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess that last part was a bit harsh. But i mean at least you have been around for a while and actually spent 5mins to make an account here and contribute things to the community. I was just thinking that if he critisized me in that way he must not have read many of the things posted on these forums. And my post also said that this wasnt a rant it was just stating events and concepts. So basically i just wanted to give food for thought not counters anyones opinion. Of course there are going to be people who dont agree with the general acceptance of things, but that doesnt mean that any one side is correct or incorrect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gamerr,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol, whats so bad about the jagex shop. I know it looks kind of ironic with the way people accuse them of not caring about anything other than money. Thats kind of funny because its pretty much pointless. lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drift_In_Blood,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

regardless of how long you played rs, or how many other forums you may have posted on, none of that matters in the context of these forums. different forums have different rules about many things, and different types of users also. I happen to know that these forums are widely used to discuss the matters of rs and therefore i basically posted this topic to explain how many people here feel about certain updates. Do not flame me personally thinking that these are the sole thoughts of myself. These are just views that i observed here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole dragon item thing is based on things that players got from jagex implications and behaviors. Much of the things i have said are based on circumstance and instances where jagex have reported reasons for certain things. Also, the change in price of dragon items is pretty much undeniable. I mean the chain went from 22 mil to 32 mil and back, And tell me why it is higher than dragon legs which gives a higher bonus and is a higher grade of equipment. SQ shield is even higher, when was the last time you heard of a rune sq costing more than a rune legs. Its illogical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think the change in the KQ that im talking about is because of bug abuse. Might be a different change your talking about. Because jagex would have fixed any bugs easily. All they would have to do is give the KQ a higher range of attack, or eliminate any safespots. The update im referring to also happened before barrows, thus it didnt maintain the price of dragon chain it just made it higher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to say that killing 3k dust devils to get a chain is fair is mentally challenged. Many people have killed 10k+ fire giants without a single dragon drop, not even a med. Yet the drop rate for d legs is much easier althought it is a higher class of equipment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also im sorry to talk about your account, but i mean there are presumptions one can make from people who argue unprovoked and have low post counts. and if you do frequent forums you should know what i mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

assassin_696,

 

 

 

i dont think the mage bow nerf happened this year. thats why i didnt post it. of course that was one of the first things to come to mind was the whole controversy of how mages owned the wildy until the mage bow nerf. alot of people made the arguement that it was unfair that rangers went from the top of the tier to the bottom. And for a long time didnt recieve many updates. But i dont think it happened in 2005.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

apinagez,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people do know that jagex wants to do this, but as you can read from my post they seem to be unsure what to do because their updates are very confusing. IT would seem that jagex themselves dont even know what to do with themselves.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thebigcheez,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from what ive heard, the dragon hatchet does cut trees better than rune. Also its good because its specials are good for pking and deuling or so i hear.

[KnightLite]

Maybe they can just stop releasing or changing anything ever again- that seems to be the only way to keep people from complaining..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh wait...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think he was complaining..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like looking back over the year to see glitches.. Like bloopers in sports videos?

[Bubsa]

but it allows jagex to make more money without raising membership fees.

 

 

 

more money = more employees = more scum bannings + more updates! = a better runescape!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note to self: never let Lord_Muijs ever take a maths class.

[Agresivul_3d]

Due to the strong demands and expectations of runescape players, Jagex must act without sometimes ever thinking of the consequences of their actions.This brings us to where we are today.2006 awaits for more BLUNDERS hip hip hooray.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh on a last note.One of the biggest mistakes that Jagex has done was kill F2P on RSC.If you had a brain in your skull you would realise why.

[bjbj1991]

add mage pking in the abyss please i lost 200k from those mages

[daviths11]

great post, i agree with pretty much all of your views. andyways i quit playing rs for a while bc of school and such so i missed zezima getting banned. can u clear this up please. i know this is off topic but im just curious thanks

[Grant638]

i read the first post, which was long.. i hate reading.. so forgive me if someone has already posted this... but remember

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the long skirts ! then they had to change it in the next update xD

[PuRe_MoNk_89]

Wow, must have took you a while to make that list. Very nice :)

[assassin_696]

assassin_696,

 

 

 

i dont think the mage bow nerf happened this year. thats why i didnt post it. of course that was one of the first things to come to mind was the whole controversy of how mages owned the wildy until the mage bow nerf. alot of people made the arguement that it was unfair that rangers went from the top of the tier to the bottom. And for a long time didnt recieve many updates. But i dont think it happened in 2005.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well i don't actually have any evidence for it but i'm fairly sure it was this year. I only got members this year and i remember the mage bow spec before and after, but if anyone else could back me up on this it might help.

[Drift_In_Blood]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Drift_In_Blood,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

regardless of how long you played rs, or how many other forums you may have posted on, none of that matters in the context of these forums. different forums have different rules about many things, and different types of users also. I happen to know that these forums are widely used to discuss the matters of rs and therefore i basically posted this topic to explain how many people here feel about certain updates. Do not flame me personally thinking that these are the sole thoughts of myself. These are just views that i observed here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The whole dragon item thing is based on things that players got from jagex implications and behaviors. Much of the things i have said are based on circumstance and instances where jagex have reported reasons for certain things. Also, the change in price of dragon items is pretty much undeniable. I mean the chain went from 22 mil to 32 mil and back, And tell me why it is higher than dragon legs which gives a higher bonus and is a higher grade of equipment. SQ shield is even higher, when was the last time you heard of a rune sq costing more than a rune legs. Its illogical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think the change in the KQ that im talking about is because of bug abuse. Might be a different change your talking about. Because jagex would have fixed any bugs easily. All they would have to do is give the KQ a higher range of attack, or eliminate any safespots. The update im referring to also happened before barrows, thus it didnt maintain the price of dragon chain it just made it higher.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to say that killing 3k dust devils to get a chain is fair is mentally challenged. Many people have killed 10k+ fire giants without a single dragon drop, not even a med. Yet the drop rate for d legs is much easier althought it is a higher class of equipment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also im sorry to talk about your account, but i mean there are presumptions one can make from people who argue unprovoked and have low post counts. and if

 

 

 

you do frequent forums you should know what i mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes.. i've seen what you mean by now... it's quite funny, actually :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only thing i have to say about this post:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3k DDs.. or 50 KQs.. which is easier?

[Suliman101]

3k dust devils would actually be alot easier considering you wouldnt require a team of people to kill them and they are low lvl monsters. i would rather kill 2k dust devils that take on 50 kqs for one chain that i probably wont be lucky enough to get.

[Luke]

nice post, i enjoyed reading it.

[KnightLite]

great post, i agree with pretty much all of your views. andyways i quit playing rs for a while bc of school and such so i missed zezima getting banned. can u clear this up please. i know this is off topic but im just curious thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

unless it happened again recently, zezima was banned in 2002 for macroing. What had happened *supposedly* was the character was hacked, and then autoed by the char-napper. It was straightened out and obviously zezima was unbanned.

[oilertay]

That was an interesting post, thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still very upset about crumbling. That was a piece of junk.