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-Bolded the important part. I have yet to receive and email/reason and probably would never have been unbanned if I hadn't bugged Quickdraw 5 days later. Shame they never saved any of the topics either, the majority were actually "legitimate". Some pretty lulzy stuff here [12/17/10]


That log tells more of a story than you think, and not exclusively the bolded part, considering it explains in perfect detail all the reasons why they had to do what they did prior to that. Plus, if anyone was around to see the incident the lot of them caused on the forums, they would've seen 20+ spam topics before the staff handled them.

It's slightly...ironic? No, that's not the right use of ironic. Oh well, it's odd to say the least, and certainly not the 'justifying evidence' you were hoping for. If anything, it's quite damning.

There's a reason why I'm no longer on the staff. I hit a point in my life where I was no longer able to do things professionally and give the community the work it deserved. It's why I stepped down. And I'll admit fault for lashing out as I did. Luckily, the rest of the staff was not as poor as I was and they did the right thing at the time.

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I miss you Kim! :(

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make temp ladders that last for 1 or 2 weeks max

have it set that clan can war only the clan directly above them
declarations have 12 hour response time for acceptance otherwise other clan has automatic loss
if lose they drop 2 spots

fighting for top spot of war ladder - whoever loses goes to bottom of ladder
all the fights should be set by default dangerous and no returning all out f2p

i think if ladder lasts 1 or 2 weeks, it'll be easier to work with if clans who participate know there's a set time - after that time is done then you move on - maybe setup a new ladder

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make temp ladders that last for 1 or 2 weeks max

have it set that clan can war only the clan directly above them
declarations have 12 hour response time for acceptance otherwise other clan has automatic loss
if lose they drop 2 spots

fighting for top spot of war ladder - whoever loses goes to bottom of ladder
all the fights should be set by default dangerous and no returning all out f2p

i think if ladder lasts 1 or 2 weeks, it'll be easier to work with if clans who participate know there's a set time - after that time is done then you move on - maybe setup a new ladder


That'd be interesting but problems I see with it:

A lot of effort and time to make it run smoothly, idk if the staff could keep up with it.

Clans declaring on each other, obviously some clans will be busy or want to stall it to keep the rank, so I think the time frame would also be a bad side to the system you suggested.

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make temp ladders that last for 1 or 2 weeks max

have it set that clan can war only the clan directly above them
declarations have 12 hour response time for acceptance otherwise other clan has automatic loss
if lose they drop 2 spots

fighting for top spot of war ladder - whoever loses goes to bottom of ladder
all the fights should be set by default dangerous and no returning all out f2p

i think if ladder lasts 1 or 2 weeks, it'll be easier to work with if clans who participate know there's a set time - after that time is done then you move on - maybe setup a new ladder

It's a good idea, and we appreciate any ideas and feedback. But a few questions:

  • How many clans would be in each ladder? We have 23 clans on TWR with 2 on the waiting list, so each 'ladder' would be very limited.
  • I see your vision, but a 12 hour acceptance time seems extremely short aswell as the 1/2 week period. How would you have a good ladder if you had an Aussie based clan/EST based clan and GMT based clan in there at once? (An example...)
  • I know there's no flawless system, but why should all wars be set default dangerous with no returning? The clan world has evolved from full out PVP wars to CWRI/PKRI's, I think this rule is honestly too outdated to bring into place.

Like I said, I'm glad to see people mentioning ideas. But I think you need to elaborate more and give reasoning to why we would have one rule over another.

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I'd like to respond of this. I know you guys do a lot of work behind the screens, but why aren't there updates of what you do? You don't have to go into detail, but a topic every few weeks with thoughts, suggestions that are being worked on by the staff would be handy. Some sort of voice where the staff explains to everybody what their views are on the past few weeks, on the new wilderness, ... I miss that here.

I also think you shouldn't keep a CL in place who hasn't even logged in in 2011, if you keep staff that is inactive (for whatever personal or not personal reason) too long listed as staff, people have a wrong idea of the size of the current active staff.


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make temp ladders that last for 1 or 2 weeks max

have it set that clan can war only the clan directly above them
declarations have 12 hour response time for acceptance otherwise other clan has automatic loss
if lose they drop 2 spots

fighting for top spot of war ladder - whoever loses goes to bottom of ladder
all the fights should be set by default dangerous and no returning all out f2p

i think if ladder lasts 1 or 2 weeks, it'll be easier to work with if clans who participate know there's a set time - after that time is done then you move on - maybe setup a new ladder


Seems pretty good just a little short, ide say it should last a month, from the start of the month to the end of the month. Also ude have to get clans that are willing to put a huge amount of time and effort into it so mabye get some newer clans to do it as well as some more established ones to form its core. Also you would have to get them to sign up for each month as they might do well one month and then not bother the next thus making it impossible for the clan below them to move up. And you'de also have to set some sort of rewards up for the winners each month, mabye sigs or something as the twr doesnt give clans something to fight for. Ide also say the #1 clan if beaten should go down to #2 and the #2 clan should go to #1. Other than that i like your idea.

Edit: Just thought that instead of dropping 2 places mabye only drop 1 as a clan could go rocketing up the ladder without a fight if they end up being below a good clan that keeps winning.
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I'd like to respond of this. I know you guys do a lot of work behind the screens, but why aren't there updates of what you do? You don't have to go into detail, but a topic every few weeks with thoughts, suggestions that are being worked on by the staff would be handy. Some sort of voice where the staff explains to everybody what their views are on the past few weeks, on the new wilderness, ... I miss that here.

I also think you shouldn't keep a CL in place who hasn't even logged in in 2011, if you keep staff that is inactive (for whatever personal or not personal reason) too long listed as staff, people have a wrong idea of the size of the current active staff.


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This is tipit CD. To get your suggestion acrossed you must not only whistle, but also stand atop a table and scream.
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Well well well, sorry I missed this.

I like laikrob's suggestion, I'm at the point now where I'm pissed off enough that there's no need to respect anyone's privacy. Dan knows full well exactly why he got banned and deserved every minute of it. That said, he didn't deserve more then he got.

There are a lot of "armchair complainers" around here. You somehow expect the clan staff to magically make people start posting when you don't even post yourselves...sorry, but we're not miracle workers. I agree we could have handled the TWR a lot better then we have and hopefully we'll be making some changes soon.

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I'd like to respond of this. I know you guys do a lot of work behind the screens, but why aren't there updates of what you do? You don't have to go into detail, but a topic every few weeks with thoughts, suggestions that are being worked on by the staff would be handy. Some sort of voice where the staff explains to everybody what their views are on the past few weeks, on the new wilderness, ... I miss that here.

I also think you shouldn't keep a CL in place who hasn't even logged in in 2011, if you keep staff that is inactive (for whatever personal or not personal reason) too long listed as staff, people have a wrong idea of the size of the current active staff.

I'll bring this up amongst staff. It's a good idea and I'm sorry nobody could reply to you.

As for Pan, this is your last warning, I'm getting sick of the attacks on the staff. Also waiting on a response from zulu!

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There are a lot of "armchair complainers" around here. You somehow expect the clan staff to magically make people start posting when you don't even post yourselves...sorry, but we're not miracle workers.

Gotta look at both sides though man. There's been a lot of suggestions ignored over the rebuilding process of tipit (last couple years), a lot of people wanting to help that have been pushed away. How long do you expect people to stick around and stay active if they don't get catered by the staff? Because they won't, gotta cater to the clans (..more so clan leaders) if you want them to stay active. Also, clan staff has to lead by example. That's one of the main reasons for their existence.

As for Pan, this is your last warning, I'm getting sick of the attacks on the staff.

Last warning? This is my first warning bro. You're overreacting, but your new on the job, so that's understandable i guess. For the facts that you called me out on a thread and your just a CL, makes me taking you serious impossible. Learn to PM :thumbup:
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There are a lot of "armchair complainers" around here. You somehow expect the clan staff to magically make people start posting when you don't even post yourselves...sorry, but we're not miracle workers.

Gotta look at both sides though man. There's been a lot of suggestions ignored over the rebuilding process of tipit (last couple years), a lot of people wanting to help that have been pushed away. How long do you expect people to stick around and stay active if they don't get catered by the staff? Because they won't, gotta cater to the clans (..more so clan leaders) if you want them to stay active. Also, clan staff has to lead by example. That's one of the main reasons for their existence.

As for Pan, this is your last warning, I'm getting sick of the attacks on the staff.

Last warning? This is my first warning bro. You're overreacting, but your new on the job, so that's understandable i guess. For the facts that you called me out on a thread and your just a CL, makes me taking you serious impossible. Learn to PM :thumbup:


Ok let's leave the warnings for the time being.

What would you like us to do? We've considered and discussed everything that's been brought up. While we may have been slow to act, we're not ignoring you guys...

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My only suggestion is to lose the uptight moderating styles. There's no reason to lock threads or just as bad, delete posts within a thread, just cause they're not on topic, or there's a bit of drama in the air (as long as it doesn't go too far).. let the topic progress naturally and quit being so high maintenance. If people are jumping to another topic within a thread, it's for a reason... just be happy that people are posting at all here. Can't stress this enough.
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See that sounds great in practice (and in fact we try to do so) but there are some rules that we can't tolerate being broken, such as racism and extremely inappropriate posts. Personally I try to never remove the flaming and baiting posts unless they're really bad and unnecessary - because having the drama is good to an extent. That said, not everyone likes to see it, and we do get complaints.

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My only suggestion is to lose the uptight moderating styles. There's no reason to lock threads or just as bad, delete posts within a thread, just cause they're not on topic, or there's a bit of drama in the air (as long as it doesn't go too far).. let the topic progress naturally and quit being so high maintenance. If people are jumping to another topic within a thread, it's for a reason... just be happy that people are posting at all here. Can't stress this enough.


Oh great, the "tip it is too severe" story again. How original. If there's one thing I don't think anybody can complain about it's about the mods their looseness imho. Please give examples of what you say, I'll give examples of why you can't complain:

1. This topic got locked (http://forum.tip.it/...it-dead-or-not/) for a good reason. It was a useless topic, so no need to keep it open.
2. This topic is handeled very loose imho. (http://forum.tip.it/...-our-newest-cl/ ) Its a congratz topic, but yet again some cowboys find it necessary to start baiting and whining about stuff going on or not going on at tip it CD, instead of putting some effort in making a decent well typed out topic to discuss it. Only Danny decided to do that, but of some of the others I am yet to see a suggestion about how we can help out.

Please find me examples of too severe moderation? I'm honestly interested. Do you want a RSCommunity scenario (with all due respect) where everybody can act like a moron (well, I'm afraid it's the best some can do) and just support the decline in quality clans have to suffer the last years? I sure don't.

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My only suggestion is to lose the uptight moderating styles. There's no reason to lock threads or just as bad, delete posts within a thread, just cause they're not on topic, or there's a bit of drama in the air (as long as it doesn't go too far).. let the topic progress naturally and quit being so high maintenance. If people are jumping to another topic within a thread, it's for a reason... just be happy that people are posting at all here. Can't stress this enough.


Oh great, the "tip it is too severe" story again. How original. If there's one thing I don't think anybody can complain about it's about the mods their looseness imho. Please give examples of what you say, I'll give examples of why you can't complain:

1. This topic got locked (http://forum.tip.it/...it-dead-or-not/) for a good reason. It was a useless topic, so no need to keep it open.
2. This topic is handeled very loose imho. (http://forum.tip.it/...-our-newest-cl/ ) Its a congratz topic, but yet again some cowboys find it necessary to start baiting and whining about stuff going on or not going on at tip it CD, instead of putting some effort in making a decent well typed out topic to discuss it. Only Danny decided to do that, but of some of the others I am yet to see a suggestion about how we can help out.

Please find me examples of too severe moderation? I'm honestly interested. Do you want a RSCommunity scenario (with all due respect) where everybody can act like a moron (well, I'm afraid it's the best some can do) and just support the decline in quality clans have to suffer the last years? I sure don't.


Do you want an RSC scenario where more than 5 posts are made a day on the clan discussion part of the forums? Ever since Tip.it was surpassed by RSC in activity they've defaulted on the "RSC may be more active but we have the better/more mature community" excuse, and while it may have been true at some point, it sure isn't now.


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My only suggestion is to lose the uptight moderating styles. There's no reason to lock threads or just as bad, delete posts within a thread, just cause they're not on topic, or there's a bit of drama in the air (as long as it doesn't go too far).. let the topic progress naturally and quit being so high maintenance. If people are jumping to another topic within a thread, it's for a reason... just be happy that people are posting at all here. Can't stress this enough.


Oh great, the "tip it is too severe" story again. How original. If there's one thing I don't think anybody can complain about it's about the mods their looseness imho. Please give examples of what you say, I'll give examples of why you can't complain:

1. This topic got locked (http://forum.tip.it/...it-dead-or-not/) for a good reason. It was a useless topic, so no need to keep it open.
2. This topic is handeled very loose imho. (http://forum.tip.it/...-our-newest-cl/ ) Its a congratz topic, but yet again some cowboys find it necessary to start baiting and whining about stuff going on or not going on at tip it CD, instead of putting some effort in making a decent well typed out topic to discuss it. Only Danny decided to do that, but of some of the others I am yet to see a suggestion about how we can help out.

Please find me examples of too severe moderation? I'm honestly interested. Do you want a RSCommunity scenario (with all due respect) where everybody can act like a moron (well, I'm afraid it's the best some can do) and just support the decline in quality clans have to suffer the last years? I sure don't.


Do you want an RSC scenario where more than 5 posts are made a day on the clan discussion part of the forums? Ever since Tip.it was surpassed by RSC in activity they've defaulted on the "RSC may be more active but we have the better/more mature community" excuse, and while it may have been true at some point, it sure isn't now.


There isn't really much of a community period. Not trying to be a negative Nancy or anything, but it's true. If we had more people posting then maybe it would be possible.

I notice a lot of people targeting the staff. Yes I did target the staff myself but the way I see it, they're doing nothing wrong. It's just that when there's a problem that can't be fixed, those in charge are quick to be blamed. Yes, each community has its negatives and positives, but we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to RSC. We should be focused on improving our own community, if that does mean taking some ideas from RSC then so be it, but our community is more important.

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I'd like to respond of this. I know you guys do a lot of work behind the screens, but why aren't there updates of what you do? You don't have to go into detail, but a topic every few weeks with thoughts, suggestions that are being worked on by the staff would be handy. Some sort of voice where the staff explains to everybody what their views are on the past few weeks, on the new wilderness, ... I miss that here.

I also think you shouldn't keep a CL in place who hasn't even logged in in 2011, if you keep staff that is inactive (for whatever personal or not personal reason) too long listed as staff, people have a wrong idea of the size of the current active staff.


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>people ask for updates
>staff gave updates on ML project
>main coder left the team, no remaining people to dedicate time with it
>OMG Y NO MLS
>OMG Y NO UPDAETZ
>mfw

For a lot of basic, fundamental issues such as increasing activity that everyone tries to work on daily, it's impossible to really 'update' on, isn't it? And aside from that, I'm sure that big projects would be announced, like the tourneys were, etc.

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Hi


Should i post wars here?




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