Dungeoneering / Fishing

[Obtaurian]

Logging in/out is the fastest way to drop them if you don't feel like dropping between ticks. I think Xpx came up with that, but yeah, it's amazing. :thumbup:

[xpx]

Logging in/out is the fastest way to drop them if you don't feel like dropping between ticks. I think Xpx came up with that, but yeah, it's amazing. :thumbup:

I think we both came up with that(thanks to my dc, though) but yeah, it seems logging is faster to drop fish.

 

What i do now is get a full load and then log to lobby, log back in(takes like 5 seconds) and it drops everything you have in your inv. So after that i pick up feathers and rod and start fishing again and pick up plate, arrows and bow just incase for bosses. With logging you have to be careful though that you don't have keys in your inventory when you log as they will be teleported to base.

 

For home tele, not only is it slow, you'd need to do that like 10 times per floor sometimes.

[Our_Moon]

This is a great discussion thus far... thanks a bunch =).

 

Should I be using the Gatherer's ring? Is T7 good enough for it?

[xpx]

This is a great discussion thus far... thanks a bunch =).

 

Should I be using the Gatherer's ring? Is T7 good enough for it?

As far as i tried it(and i only tested a few spots) neither artisan nor gatherer do anything for fishing spots, but gatherer wouldn't be helpful anyway as you don't get xp for extra resources.

[Our_Moon]

This is a great discussion thus far... thanks a bunch =).

 

Should I be using the Gatherer's ring? Is T7 good enough for it?

As far as i tried it(and i only tested a few spots) neither artisan nor gatherer do anything for fishing spots, but gatherer wouldn't be helpful anyway as you don't get xp for extra resources.

 

So I should just leave it on Tactician or whatever while fishing for the most efficient experience?

[Obtaurian]

Tactician? You should never, ever, EVER use tactician. Ever.

 

EVER.

 

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[Our_Moon]

What should I be using for normal dging, then? Are there options based on play style, or is there one "best" one?

[Obtaurian]

There are a few options, but they all involve berserker.

 

Pure melee - berzerker, gatherer.

Melee/mage - berzerker, blazer/blitzer (depends on tier; blazer is better from t1-9, blitzer is better at t10).

Melee/hex - berzerker, sniper for monsters/desp for bosses.

[xpx]

There are a few options, but they all involve berserker.

 

Pure melee - berzerker, gatherer.

Melee/mage - berzerker, blazer/blitzer (depends on tier; blazer is better from t1-9, blitzer is better at t10).

Melee/hex - berzerker, sniper for monsters/desp for bosses.

Nice z's in berserker, rs addict much :thumbsup: But yeah, tactician might have even been somewhat good if there were weapons that had two accurate styles(longsword atleast should have been one of them) but because all weapons have one accurate style, it will always(under possibly every circumstance) be inferior to berserker and it's two styles.

[Obtaurian]

There are a few options, but they all involve berserker.

 

Pure melee - berzerker, gatherer.

Melee/mage - berzerker, blazer/blitzer (depends on tier; blazer is better from t1-9, blitzer is better at t10).

Melee/hex - berzerker, sniper for monsters/desp for bosses.

Nice z's in berserker, rs addict much :thumbsup: But yeah, tactician might have even been somewhat good if there were weapons that had two accurate styles(longsword atleast should have been one of them) but because all weapons have one accurate style, it will always(under possibly every circumstance) be inferior to berserker and it's two styles.

 

I like how I spelled it right the first time and went full [developmentally delayed] three times after that. <_<

[Neltak]

I've a question regarding this, and think its on topic enough to include in here rather than starting a new thread.

 

How low would the fishing exp/h have to reach before you're better off c1'ing?

 

Oh and just to give an idea of exp/h at lower levels, I managed 60k/h. Would be faster with cosmics and logging out/in to drop.

[xpx]

I've a question regarding this, and think its on topic enough to include in here rather than starting a new thread.

 

How low would the fishing exp/h have to reach before you're better off c1'ing?

 

Oh and just to give an idea of exp/h at lower levels, I managed 60k/h. Would be faster with cosmics and logging out/in to drop.

Even at the previous pace(before the update) of 35k an hour i was getting it was on par with c1's so the line is around 40k xp an hour assuming you value fishing xp. The problem is that i compare everything to a 99 fishing barb pace of 90k an hour, but you wouldn't even get close to that with like 70 fishing(which gets like 50-60k xp an hour with the method).

[green9090]

Re: logging out to drop, I'm pretty sure keeping one column free and pro mousekeysing them is much faster, at least for my computer. Logging involves a lot of loading time and then finding the stuff you need from your pile.

 

You can also mouskey drop 4 fish between baxe hits if you save as much dropping as you can for GDs.

[Obtaurian]

Re: logging out to drop, I'm pretty sure keeping one column free and pro mousekeysing them is much faster, at least for my computer. Logging involves a lot of loading time and then finding the stuff you need from your pile.

 

You can also mouskey drop 4 fish between baxe hits if you save as much dropping as you can for GDs.

 

That's far too much work for me. :lol:

[SirIzenhime]

Edit: ^ C2's*

 

No, c1's. C2's are just c1's with fish and wood.

 

Isn't that the idea....or did I miss something? :unsure:

[xpx]

Edit: ^ C2's*

 

No, c1's. C2's are just c1's with fish and wood.

 

Isn't that the idea....or did I miss something? :unsure:

The comments where i mentioned c1's were about how you do c1's. C2's are just like c1's but for the resources.

 

As for dropping, as i never use mousekeys, dropping seems somewhat slower than logging, and particularly when you do it for full inv of 26 fish.

[muuuuuuuuuu]

I did 26 c2s yesterday/today, noting how long each took (using the ingame timer) , how many fish caught per floor, and exp gained per floor.

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Floor	Time	Fish Caught	Exp gained on floor
4	2:22	0	0
5	6:54	55	7767
6	6:00	53	8109
7	7:57	86	12222
8	6:26	65	9351
9	4:33	0	0
10	6:07	60	8964
11	4:43	12	1620
12	8:28	57	8235
13	7:34	57	8253
14	6:28	44	6318
15	6:34	35	4725
16	7:18	96	13356
17	3:39	12	1620
18	10:13	59	8379
19	8:50	32	4698
20	10:45	116	16416
21	7:03	67	9558
22	7:29	60	8946
23	7:39	41	6273
25	4:09	23	3321
26	5:24	36	6183
27	5:11	46	6183
28	7:01	42	8932.5
29	7:24	81	8932.5
Total:	166:11	1235	178362
Avg:	6:38:50	49.4	7134.48

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A few floors were removed because I messed up the data, but total over the 26 floors I gained 189k fishing xp. I presume this would be higher at 90+ fishing (I'm only 85,) but how much, around 10%?

 

Also, what is the average floor time of a 5:1 c1? I remember seeing someone say 2 minutes/floor was decent, so going by 2 minutes/floor and accounting all extra time to fishing, it comes out to around 95k fish xp/hr.

 

Not factoring in a time value for completing the floor, it is around 68k fish xp/hr.

 

I will continue keep track whenever I c2, as it won't hurt to have more information.

[green9090]

Edit: ^ C2's*

 

No, c1's. C2's are just c1's with fish and wood.

 

Isn't that the idea....or did I miss something? :unsure:

The comments where i mentioned c1's were about how you do c1's. C2's are just like c1's but for the resources.

 

As for dropping, as i never use mousekeys, dropping seems somewhat slower than logging, and particularly when you do it for full inv of 26 fish.

Yeah, without mousekeys I'd agree. With mousekeys though, I can do a column (7 fish) in just a couple seconds, so it's pretty negligible.

[Vex]

Here's some sample figures so far.

 

raw heim crab 9 exp

raw red eye 27 exp

raw dusk eel 45 exp

raw giant flatfish 63 exp

raw short-finned eel 81 exp

raw web snipper 99 exp

raw bouldabass 117 exp

raw salve eel 135 exp

raw blue crab 153 exp

raw cave moray 171 exp

 

Assume fishing spot distribution is 50%.

 

70+ = 126

80+ = 144

90+ = 162

 

55 Average Fish per floor based on.

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94 Fish

12 fish

70 fish

132 fish

33 fish

80 fish

66 fish

25 fish

63 Fish

12 fish

65 fish

47 fish

23 fish

116 fish

71 fish

34 fish

13 fish

12 fish

110 fish

13 fish

72 fish

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8910 per Floor @ 90+

7920 per Floor @ 80+

6930 per Floor @ 70+

 

As for time taken:

A fish can be obtained, MAX, every 1.2 seconds. Time spent fishing is negligible compared to dropping. But it would be perhaps best to assume 2 seconds per fish a floor. (Dropping time, fish catch/miss every 1.2 secs)

 

Floor timing: ~ 2 minutes per floor is spent fishing. Solo @ least 3 minutes to clear GD's, run around with keys & complete a 30second boss (more if its annoying etc).

 

Averaging 6 minutes per dungeon should be plausible for solo, but it's perhaps better to do an average timescale over the course of 1-29 depending what you C2, due to the variety of monsters & bosses between floors.

 

Duoing with a partner is close to 50% faster than solo, so if you pay your partner with GP to turn their shared xp off, or they don't care about fish xp. Then achieving almost double the xp/hr is pretty significant.

[xpx]

Vex, fish per dungeon depends on your fishing level as you get more from a spot with higher level and you always get more fish from the lower fishing spot. Thus, levels with 0's get least fish and levels with 9's get the most fish.

 

As for floor and fishing times, my latest test over 10 ice floors(the timing of one floor got screwed up as i was talking to some people), it takes me around 2 minutes 48 seconds to complete a floor with no fish and it takes me 2,6 seconds for every fish(correlation coefficient R^2=0.91).

 

For the data that mu provided(i analyzed it all together, though it'd be better to do it floor by floor) his floor without fish took 4 minutes and 8 seconds and it took him 3 seconds for every fish he caught, with a correlation coefficient of R^2=0.55(terrible, i know, but his sample size was 3 times bigger than mine).

 

I'll be doing the rest of my c2's today and am hoping to arrive at some reasonable conclusions on the method, but i'll definitely need more data to provide xp rates and comparison of methods for different levels, so as soon as i get ahold of grimy i'm hoping to add a spreadsheet where people can post their data(only data needed is time of floor and feathers used). It'll be also fun to test some legitimate duo(as it's doubtful many people with let you leech off the dungeon), so that's something to look forward to.

[Vex]

Me and MC were legit duoing, just forgot to record the times. Next time we do it, we'll do it 100% concentrated & time.

 

I'll make a spreadsheet now, will take 5 minutes.

[flintjoris]

who nice i going to try this can anyone make vid?

[wormy]

From 82 fish and f2p:

I found that during the ice floors I would get 5-8+ fish spots. As soon as I got to the next set(fl12+ abandoned?) I would be lucky to get 3, I ended up stopping at 20.

Right now I would say it was just poor luck, had a few 5 room dungeons so that effected it quite a bit. I'll have to run through again and see.

[muuuuuuuuuu]

more data:

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1	6:37	68
2	3:31	12
3	5:55	46
4	5:45	53
5	5:09	20
6	7:10	83
7	7:04	66
8	7:21	98
9	6:07	83
10	7:33	117
11	3:43	10
12	5:19	45
13	6:41	59
14	4:00	21
15	6:17	33
16	3:08	18
17	3:06	11
18	7:55	51
19	5:08	58
20	4:27	66
21	5:55	77
22	4:07	35
23	3:23	25
24	5:14	42
25	8:21	69
26	4:06	71
27	5:00	27
28	4:53	47
29	4:34	41

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Average of 5:25 and 50.06 fish/fl