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Still though, youtube is essentially offering the same service as limewire, giving people the ability to listen to music/watch shows for free. And since the record companies aren't getting paid for this, I assume they'll go after them too, possibly suing for 800 billion (to the exponent google) dollars!
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Well, the deal with Youtube and record companies is ridiculous and I've got no interest in defending the companies there.

I can understand why they would be upset over people "sharing" copies of the file to each other meaning they lost potential revenue they were rightly entitled to, but when someone comes knocking on the door essentially offering free video advertising for your products, you don't really have a right to charge them for the gratuitous service they're giving you: http://www.telegraph...pportunity.html

The cheek of it all is beyond belief.

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I'm too lazy to read through the past three pages(I've read the first two, pardon me. I need to go to sleep soon, so I don't have time to read it all.), but I guess I'll throw my opinion in.

As a musician, I think pirating is completely fine. Most of the musicians I know actually are pro-piracy. I don't see it as a problem.

Especially when you mark down the price for most things, you can get the bare essentials for under $1000 a song. My local music scene has plenty of studios that give pretty decent quality recordings, and they usually charge only about $20 an hour. Mastering can cost anywhere from $90-400, depending on where you go(I live in Miami, I like to go for cheaper alternatives since the big deal studios here are expensive), and then duplication fees will usually cost no more than 60 cents a disc, and maybe another 50 cents for casing. It's not that expensive to release albums. I could easily write a 6 song EP for under $1500(without mastering, sadly) and be able to release over 1000 copies as an independent artist. Sell them for $2 an EP and you still make profit.

The only music I buy is for the local scene, and that is because I know 100% of the profit will go to them. With most other major labels, the artist relies on merchandise and ticket sales. And with the openness of piracy, your music is put out more. More people listen to your music, and as a result, will go to your concerts and buy your merch. To me, pirating is one of the greatest things to have come to independent artists, but it might be one of the worst things to come to major labels.

tl;dr - I support piracy.

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Especially when you mark down the price for most things, you can get the bare essentials for under $1000 a song. My local music scene has plenty of studios that give pretty decent quality recordings, and they usually charge only about $20 an hour. Mastering can cost anywhere from $90-400, depending on where you go(I live in Miami, I like to go for cheaper alternatives since the big deal studios here are expensive), and then duplication fees will usually cost no more than 60 cents a disc, and maybe another 50 cents for casing. It's not that expensive to release albums. I could easily write a 6 song EP for under $1500(without mastering, sadly) and be able to release over 1000 copies as an independent artist. Sell them for $2 an EP and you still make profit.


Just curious - are you able to make a living off of that?
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Especially when you mark down the price for most things, you can get the bare essentials for under $1000 a song. My local music scene has plenty of studios that give pretty decent quality recordings, and they usually charge only about $20 an hour. Mastering can cost anywhere from $90-400, depending on where you go(I live in Miami, I like to go for cheaper alternatives since the big deal studios here are expensive), and then duplication fees will usually cost no more than 60 cents a disc, and maybe another 50 cents for casing. It's not that expensive to release albums. I could easily write a 6 song EP for under $1500(without mastering, sadly) and be able to release over 1000 copies as an independent artist. Sell them for $2 an EP and you still make profit.


Just curious - are you able to make a living off of that?

Well, obviously not for $2 an EP, but as far as I know most independent musicians rely on a combination of touring, merchandise and EP sales.

There was this website(now it is renovated so I really cannot cite the source now), that explained this in a better way than I could. In order to make a living off of music, you'd have to have much more dedication than I personally have, and you would have to make many, many sacrifices. You won't be making the hundreds of thousands of dollars that the Top 40 Artists make, but enough to get by probably.

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Especially when you mark down the price for most things, you can get the bare essentials for under $1000 a song. My local music scene has plenty of studios that give pretty decent quality recordings, and they usually charge only about $20 an hour. Mastering can cost anywhere from $90-400, depending on where you go(I live in Miami, I like to go for cheaper alternatives since the big deal studios here are expensive), and then duplication fees will usually cost no more than 60 cents a disc, and maybe another 50 cents for casing. It's not that expensive to release albums. I could easily write a 6 song EP for under $1500(without mastering, sadly) and be able to release over 1000 copies as an independent artist. Sell them for $2 an EP and you still make profit.


Just curious - are you able to make a living off of that?

Well, obviously not for $2 an EP, but as far as I know most independent musicians rely on a combination of touring, merchandise and EP sales.

There was this website(now it is renovated so I really cannot cite the source now), that explained this in a better way than I could. In order to make a living off of music, you'd have to have much more dedication than I personally have, and you would have to make many, many sacrifices. You won't be making the hundreds of thousands of dollars that the Top 40 Artists make, but enough to get by probably.

But when pirated there is no such thing as receiving $2 an EP. xD
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When working for a record label there's no such thing as receiving $2 an album.

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I loled. I never used limewire anyway you can only find [cabbage] mainstream songs on it.

The music industry is [cabbage] regardless. Some people see music as a form of youth culture and when youth culture becomes monopolized by big business what are the youth to do? I oppose listening to the [cabbage] played on the radio.

Good luck suing piracy software based in Dubai.

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I download torrents.

I live in Canada.

I buy albums that I like even if I downloaded them already.

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When working for a record label there's no such thing as receiving $2 an album.


Hah, this.

Most of the album sales are going to the label and not the artist.

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Two things to add:

(1) I proudly pay for my music downloads (I prefer Amazon over iTunes)

(2) $75 trillion is over 5 times the current US National Debt

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I still find it amusing that you can justify suing someone for more money than the entire world's GDP

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What disgusts me is that a jury of people could approve such ridiculous lawsuits. If I was on that jury I would never let a case like that go in favor of the RIAA.

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To be fair, the same jury also acquitted oj and cancelled king of the hill.
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To be fair, the same jury also acquitted oj and cancelled king of the hill.


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saw that coming. i bet bit torrent is next in line to get some major piracy restrictions

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saw that coming. i bet bit torrent is next in line to get some major piracy restrictions


Except the government won't be able to get the source code for torrent programs easily. Sure ISPs can restrict, but that's all they can do.


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The difference between torrent clients and Limewire is that Limewire was built around copying media files, while torrent clients simply facilitate a legal and more efficient way of downloading and uploading files.

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The comparison can be drawn between torrent clients and knives: Knives are useful tools, able to be used in completely legal ways. The torrent clients are like that. There is nothing inherently illegal about them. They can just be used for illegal things. Like knives.

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