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You and some others seem to be horribly offended someone wrote an article that doesn't agree with your opinion. Deal with it. If you don't like it, write your own opinion article giving the other side. If you want a constant stream of news and opinions that is horribly biased towards only what you think, go watch any major American news channel.Also, I'd like to see you explain how the Tip.It Times is a source of "news."


Very well said indeed. It irritates me no end when people try to label the Times as a news outlet, usually to use it as a flimsy basis for expressing their discontent with an article that does not fit in to their view of the game. Ironically, I often see the very same people on this thread lauding these evil opinion articles if and when they agree with the opinions expressed by the authors.


I know it wasn't your intention, but the article really came off as sounding like a whiny f2p


Only because you chose to approach and interpret the article as such, Silver.


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You and some others seem to be horribly offended someone wrote an article that doesn't agree with your opinion. Deal with it. If you don't like it, write your own opinion article giving the other side. If you want a constant stream of news and opinions that is horribly biased towards only what you think, go watch any major American news channel.Also, I'd like to see you explain how the Tip.It Times is a source of "news."


Very well said indeed. It irritates me no end when people try to label the Times as a news outlet, usually to use it as a flimsy basis for expressing their discontent with an article that does not fit in to their view of the game. Ironically, I often see the very same people on this thread lauding these evil opinion articles if and when they agree with the opinions expressed by the authors.



I think the fact that it's called the Times in the first place does give people the impression that it's meant to be a news source. - after all that's normally a name used for newspapers. Plus I do actually think in the past most of the articles did try and present both sides of the argument.

In the last couple of years the articles seem to have shifted more to soapbox than informative.
As a stand alone article, I think it's more useful to the reader to have the more balanced article, thus having the information to be able to form their own opinion.

However the one sided opinion article does at least have the potential to entertain, but mostly because it provokes a starting point for a debate on the subject.
Now that can be quite a tricky strategy to manage - the internet being the internet, means that some people will get pretty vicious and personal when presenting their opinion - so it can present a moderating issue. What's more I've seen some Times writers (not necessarily yourself) who get upset, even with the less personal disagreements too their articles. -which makes me wonder if the aim was to provoke debate after all.

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In response to underhand methods, I agree with the article. RS is losing my interest, Ive paid for over 5yrs and enjoyed playing. I like the quests, the story lines but lately all I have been doing is skilling but feel like I'm accomplishing nothing. Jagex thinks they are holding peoples interest or getting others to pay to get loyalty points? Maybe it will work for a short time but without making the game more interesting as in continue story lines, add different fish to catch in social places like fishing guild where people are. The game has become all about making as much gold as your bank can hold. Why isnt there more places to hunt red chins? So many things they can be working on to improve game play! Dont have to bribe players with stuff that has no meaning, bring in new ideas! Lastly, why so many items that players can make or do and not tradeable? :wall:

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I think the fact that it's called the Times in the first place does give people the impression that it's meant to be a news source. - after all that's normally a name used for newspapers. Plus I do actually think in the past most of the articles did try and present both sides of the argument.

In the last couple of years the articles seem to have shifted more to soapbox than informative.
As a stand alone article, I think it's more useful to the reader to have the more balanced article, thus having the information to be able to form their own opinion.

However the one sided opinion article does at least have the potential to entertain, but mostly because it provokes a starting point for a debate on the subject.
Now that can be quite a tricky strategy to manage - the internet being the internet, means that some people will get pretty vicious and personal when presenting their opinion - so it can present a moderating issue. What's more I've seen some Times writers (not necessarily yourself) who get upset, even with the less personal disagreements too their articles. -which makes me wonder if the aim was to provoke debate after all.



Well put i'd say, although you can't say there aren't debates. This week saw a debate between the writer of the article and several who disagreed with it, for example, despite the fact that the debate did seem to be more personal. That seems to be the case where people say they are open to debate but actually are not and become quite aggressive when their view is challenged :)

As for the Times itself i'd say it's purpose is to be entertaining above all. By which means they achieve this boils down to each and every writer.

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This is a just another desperate and pathetic attempt to trick players into paying for membership.

Runescape members loyalty - these are words that should never be used in the same sentence.

Most likely they have banned too many players and this has caused a lot of mistrust and they arent getting enough money now. LOL.

I dont trust these people and there is no way I would ever give them my credit card information again as I have experienced how "loyal" they are to members. Why do I feel this way? In short they gave away my account and my nephews account to a thief and all the thief needed was a sob story and jagex accepted that and our accounts were given away. The accounts were eventually returned however my nephews account was banned for macroing (the thief did it not my nephew but they still banned the account anyway). When I finally got my account back and re-entered my credit card information jagex debited my credit card and I was immediately locked out again and jagex would only release the account if I gave them the IP address of my internet service provider when I became a member (THEY DIDN'T TELL ME TO NOTE THAT WHEN I WAS SIGNING UP TO BECOME A MEMBER). I will never trust them again and will never pay for membership again.

So what are they trying to do now? Make out that they are LOYAL to members?? Obviously the problem is that they need more members but they have caused so much mistrust in the past that people just arent buying it.

By the look of it these new things dont add much to make it worthwhile, they are just window dressing.

It has been noted that a lot of new stuff is severely crippled for f2p - look at dungeoneering ffs.

Actually there have been a few things updated gameplay wise which make it easier to play but nothing that would make me be a member again.

Lastly my new f2p account has 6 x 99's now and I dont need membership to get a 99.

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I think the fact that it's called the Times in the first place does give people the impression that it's meant to be a news source. - after all that's normally a name used for newspapers. Plus I do actually think in the past most of the articles did try and present both sides of the argument.

In the last couple of years the articles seem to have shifted more to soapbox than informative.
As a stand alone article, I think it's more useful to the reader to have the more balanced article, thus having the information to be able to form their own opinion.

However the one sided opinion article does at least have the potential to entertain, but mostly because it provokes a starting point for a debate on the subject.
Now that can be quite a tricky strategy to manage - the internet being the internet, means that some people will get pretty vicious and personal when presenting their opinion - so it can present a moderating issue. What's more I've seen some Times writers (not necessarily yourself) who get upset, even with the less personal disagreements too their articles. -which makes me wonder if the aim was to provoke debate after all.


This is all true. There are many people that assume the Times will present objective news because of its name. As I see it, from an EP perspective, they should sort of just figure it out for themselves by reading the Times and using their intuition and, having seen than all but a handful of Times articles ever are subjective, apply some common sense.

Similarly, I don't think that covering an update requires me to relay lots of information to the reader, who more often than not has read it himself on the RS website. Some people criticise articles for being too "factual".

Finally, I think that all Times articles should provoke a degree of debate, and I myself try and get involved too (Hamtaro's done it for me on this thread, saved me a lot of typing). And yes, there are those who get vicious - see the Times articles for 7 May this year, and then look at the forums, and you'll see what I mean -, and in these instances they essentially ruin any potential for debate, because the author doesn't want to get involved and things just descend into flaming.

To conclude, I agree with your post but think that, in some cases, people could overcome what you say by applying common sense and by responding more calmly from time to time. As for us authors, we should simply try and produce the best article we can and immerse ourselves in the responses as best we can, also without resorting to insults/flaming. Alas, at times this seems like more of an idyll than a reality.


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I think the fact that it's called the Times in the first place does give people the impression that it's meant to be a news source. - after all that's normally a name used for newspapers....

...In the last couple of years the articles seem to have shifted more to soapbox than informative...


Here's a quote from another Times article:

...It is almost a slap in the face each time updates of this manner come about. Makes you wonder if they worship the all mighty dollar more than they appreciate the people that helped them build this Mega-Community by remaining loyal through thick and thin...


That quote came from an article almost six years ago, from the second Times article written. The Times has always been an editorial piece.

@Crocefisso:

To conclude, I agree with your post but think that, in some cases, people could overcome what you say by applying common sense and by responding more calmly from time to time.


Comparing an update to the stench of fecal matter will not spark a thought-provoking discussion. Your readers will find it difficult to take you seriously when you choose vulgar metaphors to express your contempt. How can your readers--even someone like me who may share similar opinions--view this as anything other than a rage rant.

Personally, I'm not thrilled about the update either. I think most people see right through it, but it's not like Jagex is being sneaky when they call it a loyalty program. As of now, I see it mostly as a junk update, unnecessary to the game other than for pure promotional. However, I feel the article didn't provide enough evidence to back up its tone. Other promo events like Bonus XP weekends have a far greater impact on the game than MLP. You think MLP will bring rivers of blood? Were you not around when the anti-RWT updates were implemented?

You also failed to convince me that MLP has a detrimental effect on F2P. MLP doesn't force people into membership any more than Gnomecopters. Yes, Jagex would like F2P players to eventually become members. I can't fault them for it. Some people may purchase membership for MLP, but hopefully they will stay for the same reasons I became a member. For the game itself.
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I read the two articles. Here are some comments.

Underhand Methods Always Fail

Year of Crass Marketing - nice! lol

I do find the new loyalty program annoying and crass but generally harmless. Basically, I don't like it but neither do I feel very passionate hate towards it. More like "meh" sort of reaction.

This current cycle of heaping content on content is unsustainable.


I thought I was the only person in RS who ever complained about this. Seriously, why does Jagex think that adding more and more stuff that is basically the same as everything else is the best way to update RS?

If you look for an old interview you will find the reason why - according to Jagex whenever they do a big update they see a surge in memberships. That was some years ago and they have not changed their tactics.

I mean like it's always "oh lookie here, an update where you can get more arrows!" or "new armor, super rare" or "another quest with more items" all the time for years and years.

Having said that, it's not all negative. I do like certain updates that help players like clan support, friends chat, anything that makes social interaction and gameplay smoother. ;)

Why don't they do more things to shake things up instead of adding more arrows all the time?

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Paranoia fuel!!! However, is it still paranoia if they really are out to get you? I have had numerous people saying they want to hack my account. Great topic.

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Eventually JaGex will figure out quality over quanity. Giving players a lot of stuff to do isn't bad, but if it's boring or broken they can't expect to keep those players.

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Comparing an update to the stench of fecal matter will not spark a thought-provoking discussion. Your readers will find it difficult to take you seriously when you choose vulgar metaphors to express your contempt. How can your readers--even someone like me who may share similar opinions--view this as anything other than a rage rant.

Personally, I'm not thrilled about the update either. I think most people see right through it, but it's not like Jagex is being sneaky when they call it a loyalty program. As of now, I see it mostly as a junk update, unnecessary to the game other than for pure promotional. However, I feel the article didn't provide enough evidence to back up its tone. Other promo events like Bonus XP weekends have a far greater impact on the game than MLP. You think MLP will bring rivers of blood? Were you not around when the anti-RWT updates were implemented?

You also failed to convince me that MLP has a detrimental effect on F2P. MLP doesn't force people into membership any more than Gnomecopters. Yes, Jagex would like F2P players to eventually become members. I can't fault them for it. Some people may purchase membership for MLP, but hopefully they will stay for the same reasons I became a member. For the game itself.


That faeces phrase was never meant to inspire debate. Taking any single sentence in isolation and expecting it to spark much debate is absurd. The point of an article is that the article itself provides the debate. As far as such a criticism goes - the alleged "vulgarity" of said phrase has been mentioned twice now -, it is not constructive in any way. One phrase singled out of context means nothing, nor does the word "faeces" indicate vulgarity.

Similarly, the article only used the MLP as a starting point for the general topic of "Underhand methods" - including vanity items and all the rest - which are, frankly, nothing other than cheap and transparent tricks, developed by a lazy developer unsure of where to go and what to do with their product. The MLP is the latest in a series of unscrupulous schemes that have left many, including myself, disillusioned with Jagex and their ability to deliver a solid update.

Many have mistaken this article for a rant, when in fact it was written in a perfectly calm way, simply because I did not have the time to [kitty]foot around and devote time to wording things in a nice and gentle way. This was entirely my own fault, and I will endeavour to be more careful next time.

I read the two articles. Here are some comments.

Underhand Methods Always Fail

Year of Crass Marketing - nice! lol

I do find the new loyalty program annoying and crass but generally harmless. Basically, I don't like it but neither do I feel very passionate hate towards it. More like "meh" sort of reaction.

This current cycle of heaping content on content is unsustainable.


I thought I was the only person in RS who ever complained about this. Seriously, why does Jagex think that adding more and more stuff that is basically the same as everything else is the best way to update RS?

If you look for an old interview you will find the reason why - according to Jagex whenever they do a big update they see a surge in memberships. That was some years ago and they have not changed their tactics.

I mean like it's always "oh lookie here, an update where you can get more arrows!" or "new armor, super rare" or "another quest with more items" all the time for years and years.

Having said that, it's not all negative. I do like certain updates that help players like clan support, friends chat, anything that makes social interaction and gameplay smoother. ;)

Why don't they do more things to shake things up instead of adding more arrows all the time?


Thanks as always for the feedback, meili. I'm glad you enjoyed the article and that we are of the same mind with regards to Jagex's rather stupid approach to the game. I will be publishing more on this topic, in some form or another, every week this month, just to let you know. ;)


Eventually JaGex will figure out quality over quanity. Giving players a lot of stuff to do isn't bad, but if it's boring or broken they can't expect to keep those players.


I am glad to see another person with whom I agree. The question is, when will Jagex figure this out? They might end up doing so too late, after which time, it won't count for much.


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It's shady marketing at best and I don't approve of it at all. Having more money doesn't mean a whole lot anyway. I would say that Jagex could use the money to hire more people to ban bots, but with this rollback BS, they probably just want $ from the bots too. Having more money here isn't improving the game - it's making it worse (inb4bots lower prices). The P2P game should be inherently entertaining enough in and of itself to draw members to its content. Not some points 12 days out of the year, bonus xp 6 days out of the year, and holiday events 4 days out of the year. This isn't pay-to-play anymore. It's pay-for-365-days-and-play-for-a-third-of-that. Sounds legit.

Instead of wasting dev time on garbage like this for artificially inflated membership numbers like this, they could be working on the Eastern Lands, the ROTM quest line, or even Prifddinas, which we have been waiting over 5 years for. This would actually improve the game instead of giving someone the ability to use a a hand shake emote (which doesn't even look like a hand shake...) or a barely useful aura (and how could I forget the extremely useful recolors and outfits + the totally unannoying titles).

RuneScape will never be looked upon as a respectable game by video game critics or anyone else if they continue crap like this. Just look what happened with Team Fortress 2 - it was an extremely popular game amongst the PC gamers until Valve started selling hats in the game (for real cash), which didn't quite collapse their player base, but certainly diminished it enough to have them release it for free on Steam. Strategies like this have failed in the past. They will certainly generate much temporary revenue, but will ultimately decline due to a lack of continuous substantial content (which is what I'm subbed for). If Jagex doesn't stop with these semi-microtransactions, so too will the enjoyment of the players fall into a dismal abyss of non existence.


You took the words out of my mouth with your 3 paragraphs there. I began playing in 2004 but quit in March this year, not because I found the game boring but because it was evident Jagex had fallen a long way from what it was originally. They are probably richer than they ever were, but the game is the worse it's ever been because of their decisions that favour money over game quality. The return of free trade, after having stated for years it would never be back, along with their resetting of botter stats instead of permbanning them were the last two drops in a full-to-the-brim cup. Despite still liking the game, I refuse to financially support a company that so blatantly disregards good gameplay and their customers. The release of MLP only reconfirmed my diagnosis.

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Despite still liking the game, I refuse to financially support a company that so blatantly disregards good gameplay and their customers. The release of MLP only reconfirmed my diagnosis.


You, sir, are a man of impeccable judgement.


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So maybe this has been said, i quite honestly didn't read all of the pages. But I am so tired of this trend of "ragging" On Jagex. Jagex is not your friend, but a company in business to make money. It bothers me that people with no clue continuously bring this argument up. If you don't like what Jagex is doing, quit.

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I'm tired. Insomnia is awful. But some random stranger rang the doorbell despite it being 23:45 at the time, so maybe I'll be awake enough for a sufficiently thoughtful response.

Quick aside: the word bias as it was originally conceived by the Greeks did not originally have such a negative connotation; they thought it integral to a debate. They did, however, along with the Romans, establish the old school trend of presenting two sides to an argument. I get that the Times is Rune Tip's editorial piece, but, heh, speaking of that...

The only article I wish to respond to is "Underhanded Methods Always Fail."

So I was speaking of bias-- here's mine. I'm 36, and I'm a father and husband on disability. Although I've had lots of free time, by the generosity and support of family and friends, I moved with my little family into a house. It needs a lot of work, and I assure you I have many more important things I should do than kill time on a game that's notorious for being a grinding treadmill. Still, it's nice to have something that's a pleasant diversion, not to mention a cheap one. I'm on a fixed income, but right now Runescape is an incredible deal compared to the other known MMOs out there, and is a very small expense compared to my other ones, some of them more needs than wants. It also fits my playing styles very, very well.

I was more disappointed with Jagex making a connection with Facebook. There were many reasons why I left-- brusque, rude behavior being one, and the Zuckerbergs' policies on privacy another. I must say with sardonic amusement that I do remember many adults my age and older playing games I ultimately found were 10X more banal, grinding, and monotonous than Runescape-- not to mention I do remember some of those players plunking down some serious money for extras. That said, I thought the bias of "Underhanded Methods..." seemed like that of someone who is not financially independent yet. (Heh, all right, Duke Freedom, I'll admit it freely to all these people, who may have forgotten you-- I have to tell them you are right about adult players, freely spending extra cash for online games, although I still won't condone RWT.) So I am inclined to think those that are complaining loudest are grade school and college students, not financially independent adults with a steady source of income.

Myself, I've paid membership pretty steady for the most part since 2002 or so. I think there was once that it lapsed, and then another time a friend in Europe very kindly sent me a little bit of money so I could keep membership going. Both times I was close to flat broke. But most of the time, my rate has stayed at 5US$ a month and my continued payment by plastic keeps it right there. I did wonder why Jagex hadn't done more to reward really longtime players, and I wondered this with the cape update as well (I don't think Veteran stretched back far enough). But really, my main reaction was, "Cool, a little something extra for something I'm already doing."

Those that know me know I'm a niche player, finding value in training spots long abandoned or ignored, and that I observe some fairly obscure aspects about the game. The auras will suit me fine; I'll find uses for some. Others have none for me, but I'm not worried. Others might remember my odd sense of humor and my strange obsession of costumes. For a time, I demonstrated that female players seemed to have all the best outfits. That changed with Treasure Trail updates, and these new costumes from the MLP.

I'm also a bit anti-social for reasons of post-traumatic stress. I play with all chat set to 'Friends' most of the time. Besides random fun, the emotes do serve a purpose for me now and then. It also ties back to my strange sense of humor: on rare moments I like to mess with random players I don't know at all. Oddball aura, you'll be mine for that purpose, almost all by itself.

I don't mean to say Jagex isn't doing some cheap marketing; on the contrary, I do agree. I just don't think MLP is the prime example. I remember discussing it with a college/university student friend of mine in-game. She really detested the flagpole that RuneFest attendees received, as well as the Ornate Katana by way of Gamestop's card. Again, I think these are better examples of how Jagex could go down the path of some game developer on Facebook. But strangely, she was not as phased by the MLP, and we shared what rewards we'd got for ourselves. I think that's more the average opinion of most players who have steady memberships, and really, others here have more or less pointed out that those taking membership breaks for school and such are the ones complaining the most.

And I don't mean to say that Times authors aren't entitled to their opinions. I've known stormveritas for a while, but I don't agree with his opinion on minigames at all, even that Jagex is making a trend of them. But I thought the backlash against his article as it stood was immature and quite rude. That also said, I have to also agree that descriptions of faeces does not make a compelling argument to me. Oddly enough, Crocefisso, if Tip.It allowed you to say "this is bull****", I would have gotten your point immediately; because most people I know do not use that term to make sure I am thinking specifically of the stench and odor of fecal material. But I understand the forum and website policies are as they are. I doubt that overall the users would use such language sparingly and only with their truly intended meaning.

In other words, you wouldn't have to be careful with me, but I will say that your euphemisms failed. I've had enough experiences smelling faeces that I think a more direct description of such fails to tell me what you are truly thinking about the update.

p.s. this friend of mine noted that the marketing blitz seemed to come when the Gowers left the board in January. I think Tip.It would have gotten my attention far more if that possibility was considered, despite Andrew's threat of a lawsuit way back when still fresh in my mind (oh yes, ladies and gents, it was over allegations in a Times article, too).

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So maybe this has been said, i quite honestly didn't read all of the pages. But I am so tired of this trend of "ragging" On Jagex. Jagex is not your friend, but a company in business to make money. It bothers me that people with no clue continuously bring this argument up. If you don't like what Jagex is doing, quit.


Yes, this criticism has been made in the past - on this thread and every other Tip.It thread in existence - and, frankly, I'm tired of people's shallowness. I am neither anti nor pro-Jagex; this article was critical because I feel it was a terrible update, past articles of mine praised other updates that I felt were good. The readers, if they want to actually be involved in a proper discussion, need to stop trying to throw around accusations of ranting, bias, and whatever else. If anyone writes a positive article, people go "waah, the EP is pro Jagex and it's unfair", and if they write a negative one, it's all "they're raging on Jagex and it's mean". People really need to stop giving these unfounded, unhelpful and downright fatuous criticisms and just respond properly or not at all.

Similarly, the fact that Jagex is a company is both discussed on this thread and acknowledged in the article. And I think the general consensus is that Jagex, as a company that makes video games, needs to try and make their game compelling enough to play rather than wasting time with gimmicky little schemes.

And I don't mean to say that Times authors aren't entitled to their opinions. I've known stormveritas for a while, but I don't agree with his opinion on minigames at all, even that Jagex is making a trend of them. But I thought the backlash against his article as it stood was immature and quite rude. That also said, I have to also agree that descriptions of faeces does not make a compelling argument to me. Oddly enough, Crocefisso, if Tip.It allowed you to say "this is bull****", I would have gotten your point immediately; because most people I know do not use that term to make sure I am thinking specifically of the stench and odor of fecal material. But I understand the forum and website policies are as they are. I doubt that overall the users would use such language sparingly and only with their truly intended meaning.

In other words, you wouldn't have to be careful with me, but I will say that your euphemisms failed. I've had enough experiences smelling faeces that I think a more direct description of such fails to tell me what you are truly thinking about the update.

p.s. this friend of mine noted that the marketing blitz seemed to come when the Gowers left the board in January. I think Tip.It would have gotten my attention far more if that possibility was considered, despite Andrew's threat of a lawsuit way back when still fresh in my mind (oh yes, ladies and gents, it was over allegations in a Times article, too).


I'm really quite tired of the focus that has been given to one phrase. It is not remotely useful or constructive as feedback goes; not only do I find much of the criticism insubstantial, it is also of no use to me because it is not a phrase I ever intend to repeat in an article, because that's generally not the way writing an article works. It's an utterly fruitless line of discussion.

I was not even aware that Gowers left the board in January. That being the case, there is no doubt that the marketing blitz is linked to this. But this does not make the blitz any more of a good way of developing games, because it's a totally backwards strategy to adopt. Jagex need to focus on improving their game before they can try these tricks again.


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The Gowers left the board? This is news to me. So they took their money and are enjoying themselves in a sunny beach somewhere?

*Not a criticism, it's what I would do if I were a millionaire.

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The Gowers left the board? This is news to me. So they took their money and are enjoying themselves in a sunny beach somewhere?

*Not a criticism, it's what I would do if I were a millionaire.


I was surprised too. Wikipedia says this:

In December 2010 The Raine Group and Spectrum Equity Investors invested in Jagex, while Insight Venture Partners

increased their investment. Andrew Gower, Paul Gower and Constant Tedder left the board of directors at that time. Though Andrew Gower is currently listed as Jagex's principal architect, it is unclear how involved he, his brother, and Tedder still are in the management of Jagex.
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I had no idea either. I looked around and according to stellar dawn central they left the board back on December 3.

Is it a coincidence that they left right before the RWT free trade/wilderness vote?

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I had no idea either. I looked around and according to stellar dawn central they left the board back on December 3.

Is it a coincidence that they left right before the RWT free trade/wilderness vote?


[Sarcasm]No, definitely not...they're both completely unrelated[/sarcasm]


I mentioned this some time back in an article about Jagex appearing to be moneygrabbing...and I really have to say it didn't get better. The Katana, the MLP...while at the same time most of the recent quest and updates were dismal. Of course there are always different opinions on updates, but nobody I know is really happy with this year. ACS and Do no Evil were probably the only really good quests this year, there wasn't a single interesting and worthwhile skilling area released, and the only other updates people enjoyed were the clan ones and Nex. Apart from that, rushed, unfinished content, often unbalanced and seemingly without the wish to improve the game, just to heap more stuff on it.

On top of that the return of the wild and free trade with masses of uncontrolled bots. If you only speak of people enjoying the game, this move was stupid as hell. Most players had more or less adjusted to it by now, and if they hadn't heard anything they wouldn't have minded that much. But no, they have to reintroduce it and put the game into some serious problems.


There have been unpopular moves of Jagex in the past, but all this bullcrap really just started right after the board of directors was changed. It definitely is no coincidence, and it makes sense. After all, Jagex/the gowers were relying on Runescape for money. They have to make sure that an update doesn't hurt the essence of the game.

The investors don't have to do that. They can just milk the cash out of it, and if it does hurt the game and Runescape loses out on players, big deal, they just invest somewhere else. It's the worst thing that could have happened to Runescape.

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I stopped reading the first article after I read the "Jagex just wants people to keep subscribing (especially after the summer)." or whatever it was.


Why wouldn't Jagex try to keep subscribers/earn more? Get with the times. This is how they make income. Shame on them for giving us something, FOR FREE. The incentive for non-members to become a member is insane.

Non-member: "Well golly! The whole world, hundreds of quests, all skills, tons of minigames and items! That couldn't get me to be a member. But, auras, new costumes and emotes! WOW! I'LL SIGN UP TODAY!"

Get with it.

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