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Jagex Seizes RWT Domain -- 9/02/11


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That's the exact point of my article last month Soma. The problem is the way the game works, the symptoms are rampant bots/rwters. I've lost a lot of confidence over the past six months or so. Heck, I'm starting to feel that FT isn't necessary at all, they could just fix the GE to work properly (more responsive update times in response to supply/demand, a more loose limit, less ability for monopolies to influence the market, etc.)

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A symbolic victory and little more, I'm afraid.


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Still hoping they'll make a group of closed off servers (economy and log ins) where only members can create a new account (kind of like RSC is now). However, if they do it, I hope they hammer the use of bots much harder on those servers. That way, Jagex can still claim bot cash on the majority of servers, but players that would like to start in a fresh economy not impacted by free world and member bots can play RS in a new perspective.

 

I'm not missing something in this idea am I? It seems that Jagex is not serious about stopping bots on its regular servers anymore.

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It's incredible how no matter how many times it is explained people keep thinking ToS are laws.

 

You enter a random website. They ask you to accept terms of service. Of course you don't read them and click "Yes". Later you discover the ToS says:

"By clicking yes you accept that you are obligated to jump off to your death on the nearest available bridge within 24 hours."

Oops! Looks like you're going to have to jump off a bridge, after all that is the law. Not.

 

This is a non-sequitur. No, something ridiculous like jumping off a bridge to your death in 24 hours isn't going to be enforced. In fact, such an agreement wouldn't be legally binding anywhere under any circumstance. It's simply not reasonable. As it is, no one has said that ToS are themselves laws. What's been said is that the ToS is legally binding. Before you create your Runescape account, you agree to abide by Jagex's terms and conditions. This is clearly stated on the website.

 

Anyway, here are a few cases on the subject. It seems to me that Jagex has some ground to stand on.

 

Seems to but doesn't -- in the cited cases, and in any of those that were successful, there were two aspects involved:

 

1. The cases dealt with actual physical data/merchandise/tangible effects; and

 

2. The defendants were all located within jurisdictions that recognize "Trade-mark rights".

 

On a side note, interestingly enough, it's fascinating to take reference of this clause from the T.O.S.:

 

Our rights

 

If, acting reasonably, we consider that our Terms and Conditions have or may have been breached, or that there has been fraudulent, unlawful or abusive activity, or that it is necessary in order to prevent or stop any harm or damage to us, to any Jagex Product, to other players or the general public, we may Stop (as defined above)[earlier defined as a cancellation] any or all accounts of Jagex Products which we think are connected with the offender subject to such right of appeal as is specified on our website and/or restrict access to or delete virtual currency or anything acquired by means of virtual currency. Such actions may result in loss of membership credit and/or loss of real money paid as part of any item / account trading or other prohibited transaction.

 

So -- while Jagex reserves the right to "Stop" accounts for any breach of their T.O.S., they don't -- whether because they choose not to or cannot remains to be seen.

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Still hoping they'll make a group of closed off servers (economy and log ins) where only members can create a new account (kind of like RSC is now). However, if they do it, I hope they hammer the use of bots much harder on those servers. That way, Jagex can still claim bot cash on the majority of servers, but players that would like to start in a fresh economy not impacted by free world and member bots can play RS in a new perspective.

 

I'm not missing something in this idea am I? It seems that Jagex is not serious about stopping bots on its regular servers anymore.

Just the fact that a new economy would take ages to get started. Most people wouldn't be able to play like they're used to e.g. buying resources way beyond their level (whips, brews, super pots...).

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Still hoping they'll make a group of closed off servers (economy and log ins) where only members can create a new account (kind of like RSC is now). However, if they do it, I hope they hammer the use of bots much harder on those servers. That way, Jagex can still claim bot cash on the majority of servers, but players that would like to start in a fresh economy not impacted by free world and member bots can play RS in a new perspective.

 

I'm not missing something in this idea am I? It seems that Jagex is not serious about stopping bots on its regular servers anymore.

Just the fact that a new economy would take ages to get started. Most people wouldn't be able to play like they're used to e.g. buying resources way beyond their level (whips, brews, super pots...).

I'd actually love to see this happening. I'm all for a "regular reset" server, where the aim is to get as high as possible in a year (or maybe 2).

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A publicity stunt and nothing more. The actual sellers have a new domain now and 100s of advertisments stating the new domain name, anyone serious about buying could simply google and i'm sure that would bring the new domain name. Not to mention they're just one of thousands of gold sellers. This did nothing.

 

The debate isn't if jagex CAN stop bots and gold sellers. It's if they WANT to stop them.

 

 

 

 

 

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It's not even a symbolic victory when the site is still fully active. (and the old address still redirects)

 

this particular gold site supports probably the largest free bot too - [jagexruleviolation].org.

 

With this fight, the gold site is probably getting more traffic. In fact, they're giving away gold as 'celebration' of their new domain -.-

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Actually the game is offered with the rule that you won't RWT. So any RWTer isn't playing the game as it's offered but is taking something else that isn't offered (but available). I think a court would recognize that player-to-player trading (including donations) is one of the core concepts of a MMORPG, and that it would be unreasonable to expect Jagex to remove it from the game. Short of doing that, nothing can be done to fight RWTing directly in-game, so the court would recognize the need to fine or dissolve or w/e the RWT company for systematically breaching the terms of use.

Don't you think there's a reason that every MMORPG has this same issue and it's never gone away? You can buy items, money, or whatever for pretty much every game out there.

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