Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I had a idea for a Runescape service: Loaning out a item through Trade for X Runescape GP. Is this against the rules of Runescape? I can't seem to find anything about this:http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Rules_of_RuneScape And if it is - anyone know where in Rules the pharagraph is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellac Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't think it is against the rules. Thanks to Iglw for the amazing signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't think it is against the rules.The service would relay on me taking a risk of trusting people not to scam me. (Of course i wouldn't lend it out to strangers or similar groups). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackaNeeb Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 How could they scam you? You'd receive the payment at the same time that the item is loaned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 How could they scam you? You'd receive the payment at the same time that the item is loaned.Well i was thinking to loan out Divine for like 500K for 1 day. It's a RISKY serivce ( i know) but i intended to provide it to a certain group. Again i know it's risky and you may find me stupid but it's my decision.It's not like i am gonna even dare to loan it out to someone on my friend list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambler Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 You mean with currently unlendable items, so via trust trade? ^^My blog of EoC PvM, lols and Therapy.^^My livestream- Currently: Offline :(Offical Harpy Therapist of the Mad[hide=Lewtations]Barrows drops: Dharok's helm x2, Guthan's helm, Ahrim's top, Hood and skirt, Torag's hammers, Karils skirt, Karil's top, Torag's helm, Verac's skirt, Verac's Flail, Dharok's Platebody.Dag kings drops: Lost count! :wall:4k+ Glacors, 7 Ragefires, 4 Steadfasts, 4 Glaivens, 400+ shards![/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 You mean with currently unlendable items, so via trust trade?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellac Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Well, reading TIF's rules, it leads me to believe that trust trades are NOT against the rules. The following list of activities/groups may not be explicitly against RuneScape Rules, but Tip.It has taken a stance against them and they are not permitted on our forum. We are disallowing them because they are either against the spirit of the game, or have a high risk of involving scams. General discussions about them are okay, but advertisements are not permitted. This rule applies to: Trust trading Gambling (flower game, dice game, doubling money, etc.) Luring Loan programs Price manipulation clans However, don't quote me on that, and perhaps try asking on RSOF or a player moderator, since you would probably get a more direct answer there. Thanks to Iglw for the amazing signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Well, reading TIF's rules, it leads me to believe that trust trades are NOT against the rules. The following list of activities/groups may not be explicitly against RuneScape Rules, but Tip.It has taken a stance against them and they are not permitted on our forum. We are disallowing them because they are either against the spirit of the game, or have a high risk of involving scams. General discussions about them are okay, but advertisements are not permitted. This rule applies to: Trust trading Gambling (flower game, dice game, doubling money, etc.) Luring Loan programs Price manipulation clansThat's Tip.it's stance on it. Is there anything in Runescape Rules that says Trust trading is against rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggiwhplar Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Unless there's something I'm missing, how are you not going to get scammed here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeRambo Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I'd gladly "borrow" divine for 500k .... :rolleyes: :twisted: "Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come." "An imperfect man can do great deeds, and a great man imperfect ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 Unless there's something I'm missing, how are you not going to get scammed here?I thought of providing service for Tip.it status members. But it's just a thought for now. And i don't think Tip.it status members would even bother:1) I am not a popular member2) Trust trading seems to be against rules of TIF. But i want to continue this thread to find out where in Runescape Rules Trust Trading is explicetly prohibited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 It's not, I believe. I doubt any player/Jagex mods will care. But you will get scammed very quickly, it's not worth trying to lend those kind of items. What you could do, is provide temporary trading services, e.g. trading torva items for other Nex items or elysian or other items in that price range. Most people don't like having to sell/buy items to change their gear, but they don't have another 1b to buy every set of gear. Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted January 31, 2012 Author Share Posted January 31, 2012 It's not, I believe. I doubt any player/Jagex mods will care. But you will get scammed very quickly, it's not worth trying to lend those kind of items. What you could do, is provide temporary trading services, e.g. trading torva items for other Nex items or elysian or other items in that price range. Most people don't like having to sell/buy items to change their gear, but they don't have another 1b to buy every set of gear.As i have said i am aware that i can be scammed. I intended to provide the service for Tip.it website admins, moderators and high profiled members. I also had idea to record the loans (as a gurantee).But i guess even though my intention with this service is only good - it won't be looked like that by many of the potential customers. Thank you very much for your idea :) It sounds great.Though it requires more work than Divine loaning. I've quit rs you see - so i am not on much. And my Divine isn't in my own posession at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 It is against the rules. Trust Trading falls under the Scamming rule and Jagex considers it "against the spirit of the game", that ol' BS. You also aren't permitted to make topics about trust trading on the RSOF, etc. I frequently get conflicting answers between Fmods and Player Mods though, player mods frequently saying it falls under scamming and Fmods only saying "what's ingame is between you and the other player". I don't know personally if that's a lack of communication between those that run both member groups or what, but at the end of the day the bottom line is Jagex has expressed their displeasure with the activity and can't make up their mind, yet people still get action taken against them. It's not a wise practice to take up. It's a shame because your idea sounds like it's well meaning and helpful, but you run the risk of getting reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 It is against the rules. Trust Trading falls under the Scamming rule and Jagex considers it "against the spirit of the game", that ol' BS. You also aren't permitted to make topics about trust trading on the RSOF, etc. I frequently get conflicting answers between Fmods and Player Mods though, player mods frequently saying it falls under scamming and Fmods only saying "what's ingame is between you and the other player". I don't know personally if that's a lack of communication between those that run both member groups or what, but at the end of the day the bottom line is Jagex has expressed their displeasure with the activity and can't make up their mind, yet people still get action taken against them. It's not a wise practice to take up. It's a shame because your idea sounds like it's well meaning and helpful, but you run the risk of getting reported.Could you get me the source that shows that it's against rules? I am no price manipulaotr, a dicer, or anything.And the risk of trading over my item to someone is noone's responsibility than my own. I don't see how paying 500K to borrow a Divine from me is against the spirit of the game. I have achieved many things with my avatar. But again , i really like to see where you got that trading over my item for loaning for cash is against rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 You're asking me to explain Jagex's logic. I cannot. I don't even think they can. As for "proof" I suggest you read Jagex's game rules and just do a quick search for trust trading on the RSOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 You're asking me to explain Jagex's logic. I cannot. I don't even think they can. As for "proof" I suggest you read Jagex's game rules and just do a quick search for trust trading on the RSOF.I rather turn to the rules than the forums. And trust trading is grouped into dice and those kind of activities. My service idea isn't intended to scam anyone. And only one who's risking to be scammed is myself :P Then again my customer group were supposed to be Tip.it admins, moderators etc. I say were because as i said i am not popular member, and people probably would get negative assosciation with my service. But if possible i would have loved to provide such service :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I know, and I understand and appreciate your willingness to help the community. But strictly speaking about our forum rules and advertising the service on Tip.it, it might be wise to stick to items that are lendable via the assist system. For example, I'm sure that you would be able to help out a few souls in need during the TMHT Monster Hunting Team events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paul Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I agree with Kimberly.. while it's probably not in the rules per se, Jagex doesn't look kindly upon it. I wonder why Jagex doesn't allow players to lend spirit shields with sigils? I don't recall them giving a good reason when they released them. Working on max and completionist capes. 2435/2475 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Probably to preserve their elite-status and value, I guess. *shrug* XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dire_Wolf Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Probably to preserve their elite-status and value, I guess. *shrug* XDYes, that's the reason. Anyhow i can't profit with a Godsword, a Bandos tasset or some sort. If i loan a Bandos tasset for 24 hours - i would profit like 50K a day? And i wouldn't be able to loan more items out than one. But with divine ican profit alot and also provide a rare item. But again i won't act based on vague opinions from Jagex. If it's not a rule - i don't see why i should follow what they say. I am not doing something against the spirit of the game.Neither am i scamming anyone, and iam fully aware of my own scam risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallstar Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Trust trades aren't against the rules. That's why they took months to remove dice bags, even though tens to hundreds of billions were being trust traded daily. Asmodean <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paul Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Trust trades aren't against the rules. That's why they took months to remove dice bags, even though tens to hundreds of billions were being trust traded daily. Sadly, that logic doesn't apply since we are talking about Jagex. <_< Working on max and completionist capes. 2435/2475 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle drink Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Can I borrow the divine? I promise I'll give it back! *palms start sweating like crazy* I got my rapier :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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