Future Update Discussions

[Yoko Kurama]

Do we have an ETA on the update yet? Unable to get on rsof at college for some reason. :wall:

 

Several hours still, assuming it is today.

[Ammako]

Or... what if, say, KK was rebalanced afterwards so that Ports gear would actually be needed for it? (Not Nex, because I believe that Nex should be able to be defeated using only Lv. 70 armour.)

 

Then they could release more bosses afterwards that would require the defensive Ports gear to kill properly.

[Tansuo]

(Not Nex, because I believe that Nex should be able to be defeated using only Lv. 70 armour.)

 

Can't tell if trolling or serious

[Ammako]

(Not Nex, because I believe that Nex should be able to be defeated using only Lv. 70 armour.)

 

Can't tell if trolling or serious

It makes absolutely no sense for the boss that drops Lv. 80 armour to require Lv. 80 or higher armour to defeat it.

[Tansuo]

Tier 70 armour can easily be obtained with Tier 50 gear. The argument you make isn't relevant.

You are suggesting you open one of the two end game pvm bosses to any mid level player and his friends.

[muggiwhplar]

Tier 70 armour can easily be obtained with Tier 50 gear. The argument you make isn't relevant.

You are suggesting you open one of the two end game pvm bosses to any mid level player and his friends.

 

Well the "end game" pvm bosses are mid level bosses >_>

[Ammako]

Tier 70 armour can easily be obtained with Tier 50 gear. The argument you make isn't relevant.

You are suggesting you open one of the two end game pvm bosses to any mid level player and his friends.

You missed my point, but ok.

[Tansuo]

Tier 70 armour can easily be obtained with Tier 50 gear. The argument you make isn't relevant.

You are suggesting you open one of the two end game pvm bosses to any mid level player and his friends.

You missed my point, but ok.

 

No I get it. You mean to say that there is no way that T80 armour should only be obtainable by the use of T80 gear.. which has an obvious problem. I say your argument about T70 gear being used at a T80 gear boss because there isn't this consistency throughout. T70 gear is far easier to obtain with T60 gear than T80 is with T70. Obviously they are a higher tier gear, so they require more work, but there is too big a difference between T80 and T70. I'm saying that in the current game, making T80 gear easily obtainable with the use of T70 gear and the like ruins the "end game". Only referring it to the end game as there is nothing after it. There aren't enough bosses in the game to support the player demand and gear tiers.

Realistically, to Nex well you need T80 gear, but it can be done with lower tier equipment.

 

Tier 70 armour can easily be obtained with Tier 50 gear. The argument you make isn't relevant.

You are suggesting you open one of the two end game pvm bosses to any mid level player and his friends.

 

Well the "end game" pvm bosses are mid level bosses >_>

 

Until a modern day equivalent of Nex on its release is released, you have to consider Nex as end game, because there is nothing after it.

Don't say "well KK is the step up", because it really isn't. It's a far easier boss.

[Ammako]

I never said that you should be able to easily kill Nex using only Lv. 70 armour, but ok.

[Tansuo]

Not bothering anymore, you don't understand end game pvm.

 

[Hedgehog]

Not bothering anymore, you don't understand end game pvm.

 

It's stupid to think that Nex is meant to be killed with level 80 gear. It drops level 80 gear. For the progression to make sense, level 75 gear should be adequate for Nex. Anything above that should only provide a damage/defense boost that lower levels don't have the luxury of using. Bosses should be balanced with gear 1 tier below what they drop in mind.

 

Likewise, it should be easy enough to kill the kalphite king with level 80 weapons because he drops level 90 weapons.

 

The idea is that if a new player wanted to update his or her gear, he or she should be able to progress neatly and evenly up the tiers of bosses to do so.

[Alg]

The idea is that if a new player wanted to update his or her gear, he or she should be able to progress neatly and evenly up the tiers of bosses to do so.

Seems like it should be common sense. You're doing something wrong if your boss is balanced so that you can't kill it without the gear it drops.

[Yoko Kurama]

You can fight Nex with level 70 armour. That's how Nex was first fought when it was released, and it stayed that way for quite a bit. It's not as efficient as t90 weapons, t80 armour. It's just that there are so many Nex armours in the game that teams can be exclusive and elitist and choose to reject people with T70 armour. Just like how you can still use a Chaotic Maul at Nex, it's just that most teams (unless they are your friends) will refuse to let you join. There is no problem.

[Hedgehog]

You can fight Nex with level 70 armour. That's how Nex was first fought when it was released, and it stayed that way for quite a bit. It's not as efficient as t90 weapons, t80 armour. It's just that there are so many Nex armours in the game that teams can be exclusive and elitist and choose to reject people with T70 armour. Just like how you can still use a Chaotic Maul at Nex, it's just that most teams (unless they are your friends) will refuse to let you join. There is no problem.

We're saying that she should be balanced with level 70/75 gear in mind. The fact that people use higher leveled gear on her is because there aren't any high-leveled bosses except for the kalphite king. She shouldn't be made harder because of that. It just creates more problems.

[Yoko Kurama]

You can fight Nex with level 70 armour. That's how Nex was first fought when it was released, and it stayed that way for quite a bit. It's not as efficient as t90 weapons, t80 armour. It's just that there are so many Nex armours in the game that teams can be exclusive and elitist and choose to reject people with T70 armour. Just like how you can still use a Chaotic Maul at Nex, it's just that most teams (unless they are your friends) will refuse to let you join. There is no problem.

We're saying that she should be balanced with level 70/75 gear in mind. The fact that people use higher leveled gear on her is because there aren't any high-leveled bosses except for the kalphite king. She shouldn't be made harder because of that. It just creates more problems.

 

No. An emphatic no. Nex was intended to be end-game (in terms of difficulty if not the level of her gear) when she was released, and she was. Post-EoC she has been a complete joke. She should not be watered down any further under any circumstances. High-level players have what? 2 real bosses? KK and Nex? There is no reason why Nex should be snatched from them to be given to lower level players who already have various bosses -- including all of God Wars. No.

 

As for making her harder, they aren't actually making her harder. They are merely restoring her to what she was. I see no problem with this. High level players need stuff and bosses to do too, you know.

[Aiel]

That's a problem with Jagex's overall game design, not nex. The idea that 70/80 is high level content is outdated and needs to be re-balanced.

[Platinum_Myr]

You can fight Nex with level 70 armour. That's how Nex was first fought when it was released, and it stayed that way for quite a bit. It's not as efficient as t90 weapons, t80 armour. It's just that there are so many Nex armours in the game that teams can be exclusive and elitist and choose to reject people with T70 armour. Just like how you can still use a Chaotic Maul at Nex, it's just that most teams (unless they are your friends) will refuse to let you join. There is no problem.

We're saying that she should be balanced with level 70/75 gear in mind. The fact that people use higher leveled gear on her is because there aren't any high-leveled bosses except for the kalphite king. She shouldn't be made harder because of that. It just creates more problems.

 

No. An emphatic no. Nex was intended to be end-game (in terms of difficulty if not the level of her gear) when she was released, and she was. Post-EoC she has been a complete joke. She should not be watered down any further under any circumstances. High-level players have what? 2 real bosses? KK and Nex? There is no reason why Nex should be snatched from them to be given to lower level players who already have various bosses -- including all of God Wars. No.

 

As for making her harder, they aren't actually making her harder. They are merely restoring her to what she was. I see no problem with this. High level players need stuff and bosses to do too, you know.

 

It still makes no sense that it should be impossible to kill Nex without gear she drops. Yes ofcourse that gear exists now, but it really shouldn't be relying on having that gear to kill Nex. She should be "doable" though maybe not hyper efficient with lv75 gear.

 

Yes, Nex gear should make her even easier/better. but that's a different issue.

[Quyneax]

Nex equipment is common enough that hunting her in Nex gear is common. If Nex was easy to hunt in t70, people would still use t80 because it's better. That's normal.

 

That said, plenty of people budget tank in ganodermic, and for dpsing you can use void or Bandos, provided your weapons are high-tier. Chaotics aren't exactly tough to get, only drygores are. And you can Nex fine with chaotics, it's just worse than drygore.

 

On release, people used full arma, some fairly elite teams even required pcoif at first (or any pernix item, at least one). But as it gets more common and people get stronger, pernix + divine became best (sol tanking was a thing even, for a while). Now, EoC made it a ton easier so t70 is fine (except weapon), and super tank gear like ports is not even good (might be a bit better now).

[Yoko Kurama]

It still makes no sense that it should be impossible to kill Nex without gear she drops. Yes ofcourse that gear exists now, but it really shouldn't be relying on having that gear to kill Nex. She should be "doable" though maybe not hyper efficient with lv75 gear.

 

 

You can already kill Nex with t70 Gear. Even when Nex was at her hardest (pre-EoC) you could kill her with T70 gear. It's just that T80 gear is a lot better, as it should be. That's how things currently and already are. So why make her any easier? That teams don't take people without t80/90 gear anymore is a matter of supply, rather than Nex herself.

[Yoko Kurama]

Every time Jagex pushes an update or a teaser all we get is whining and complaining from you, so instead of trying to give you reasons to wait for the update first or how to view it from a different manner, we're going to instead comment on your diatribe :P

 

Anyway, why not just wait and see what this does to POP and Nex armour?

 

The four most beautiful words in our English language: I told you so. I am just going to leave that here. Not only was my so-called diatribe completely vindicated, but apparently their incompetence managed to exceed any and all predictions. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a bitter guy! :wink:

[Saradomin_Mage]

Every time Jagex pushes an update or a teaser all we get is whining and complaining from you, so instead of trying to give you reasons to wait for the update first or how to view it from a different manner, we're going to instead comment on your diatribe :P

 

Anyway, why not just wait and see what this does to POP and Nex armour?

 

The four most beautiful words in our English language: I told you so. I am just going to leave that here. Not only was my so-called diatribe completely vindicated, but apparently their incompetence managed to exceed any and all predictions. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a bitter guy! :wink:

Indeed you are a bitter guy, at least I didn't spend the week before the update whining and looking like a sore little boy on the forums throwing his weekly tantrum :P

 

Look at how your post here reads too, puts you in such a good light!

[Yoko Kurama]

Every time Jagex pushes an update or a teaser all we get is whining and complaining from you, so instead of trying to give you reasons to wait for the update first or how to view it from a different manner, we're going to instead comment on your diatribe :P

 

Anyway, why not just wait and see what this does to POP and Nex armour?

 

The four most beautiful words in our English language: I told you so. I am just going to leave that here. Not only was my so-called diatribe completely vindicated, but apparently their incompetence managed to exceed any and all predictions. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a bitter guy! :wink:

Indeed you are a bitter guy, at least I didn't spend the week before the update whining and looking like a sore little boy on the forums throwing his weekly tantrum :P

 

Look at how your post here reads too, puts you in such a good light!

 

I made a total of two posts, the week before on the subject. One was a dreaded prediction about I thought they might do that would be bad for the game, though I gave them the benefit of the doubt. The second post was after I had spoken to two J-Mods, one on the forums, one in game, who both confirmed my predictions (and at that point I knew what was coming). But hey, if I was really mature, I would have given the benefit of the doubt and lavished dedication to a company that clearly doesn't deserve it even after the writing was on the wall, because that's what mature and non-bitter people do.

[Urza285]

Good criticism is all encompassing. What that means is you take in the good WITH the bad. When you deliver your criticism you deliver it with commentary dedicated to both what needs change and what good came from the subject of your criticism.

 

C'mon this is like a 101 session with you guys. God forbid any of you are managers... I feel sorry for your employees.

[Fallstar]

Every time Jagex pushes an update or a teaser all we get is whining and complaining from you, so instead of trying to give you reasons to wait for the update first or how to view it from a different manner, we're going to instead comment on your diatribe :P

 

Anyway, why not just wait and see what this does to POP and Nex armour?

 

The four most beautiful words in our English language: I told you so. I am just going to leave that here. Not only was my so-called diatribe completely vindicated, but apparently their incompetence managed to exceed any and all predictions. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a bitter guy! :wink:

 

You don't get credit for predicting Jagex will [bleep] everything up over and over and over again. That's like asking for credit for predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.

[Yoko Kurama]

Every time Jagex pushes an update or a teaser all we get is whining and complaining from you, so instead of trying to give you reasons to wait for the update first or how to view it from a different manner, we're going to instead comment on your diatribe :P

 

Anyway, why not just wait and see what this does to POP and Nex armour?

 

The four most beautiful words in our English language: I told you so. I am just going to leave that here. Not only was my so-called diatribe completely vindicated, but apparently their incompetence managed to exceed any and all predictions. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a bitter guy! :wink:

 

You don't get credit for predicting Jagex will [bleep] everything up over and over and over again. That's like asking for credit for predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.

 

:lol:

 

Touché. I wasn't particularly asking for credit, I was merely pointing out to certain people who had previously criticized me for saying what I did (despite having evidence) that I was right in saying what I did.