Future Update Discussions

[brunokiller]

Nex will not be instanced, but she'll get buffed a bit.

[Blutters]

Great... Obviously I expect too much. -.-

[Ulysses]

Inb4 Void is rstill the best armour to use on 95% of enemies post update.

Obvious solution: nerf soul split. :twisted:

 

lol hopefully not...

 

I wonder how big a difference offensive/defensive armours make...

[Ambler]

Wait, so Nex, the main boss that seriously needed instancing and a hardmode, doesn't get an instance, and is just buffed, with no specific hard mode?

Well... [bleep].

[Tansuo]

Wait, so Nex, the main boss that seriously needed instancing and a hardmode, doesn't get an instance, and is just buffed, with no specific hard mode?

 

Instancing Nex would cripple prices even more, and we've already seen how much Jadflax wants to keep Nex prices at a reasonable level. It would send prices right the way that Drygore prices have gone, i.e down the shitter. Nex doesn't need a hard mode, it just needs buffing. There's a suitable risk of death throughout, you don't need to give her a KK style magic ball attack that just screws everything up, just to make it "harder". That makes it stupid.

[brunokiller]

They just cba'd with nex because it'd be a lot more effort than the other gwd bosses...and before you start hating, don't because Chris L pretty much did it all in his own time.

[Ambler]

I don't see a problem with instances, if she's buffed enough that solo/duo is more difficult or impossible, prices will most likely rise, not crash.

Also, simply adding a larger cost to nex instances (500k?) would make solos not worth it, as currently you can only get 2 or 3 kills max per trip, compared to 6-10 duo, and 18 trio if you have a good tank and torva dpsers. I'm guessing this buff will just be 3x hp, damage cap upped to 5k, and maybe 50% boost to her damage, with a bit of defense thrown in too. :lol:

[Alg]

Nerfing soul split would make it useless in PvM situations, would it not? If it's less effective at maintaining health than Deflection Curses, then what's the point?

To make defense actually mean something, or to make it so you can't camp indefinitely at (admittedly lower-tier) boss monsters?

[Estoc]

Nerfing soul split would make it useless in PvM situations, would it not? If it's less effective at maintaining health than Deflection Curses, then what's the point?

To make defense actually mean something, or to make it so you can't camp indefinitely at (admittedly lower-tier) boss monsters?

 

I'm pretty sure he means what would be the point of soul split then.

 

Edit: Unless we get to the point where a boss takes so long to get to that the extra kills will really outweigh the significant amount of time saved by using void/torva, defence will not matter. Alternatively, bosses could actually present a threat, but with the RNG this is pretty much impossible. We either have 1 hit ko moves (Kalphite King), where defence is ignored entirely, or random high hits (Jad) where you can get lucky and get hit a 300 or have him smite you in a single blow, both equally possible and lacking in challenge.

 

Now, I do like Kalphite King, I think he's an interesting boss and is fun to kill. However, his "signature move" is used only a few times per kill and the absolutely ridiculous amount of minions in the room quickly takes all the fun out of it. Most deaths are still because of you guessed it, random high hits, and while the bubbles are able to be dodged, the cumbersome .6 second delay and the obnoxious length of the mage phase again take the fun out of the kill.

 

Want to make defence matter? Let us use adrenaline to block attacks entirely just like barricade. Hits blocked will go straight to adrenaline and higher defence bonus will reduce the amount drained. Passing 0 adrenaline will have you take the full attack. This opens the door for bosses who can have extremely high hitting attacks that will take someone in void's entire bar out in one shot killing them, but only a quarter from someone in torva. Defence bonus will matter, and for once we could have a boss' attack require frequent feats of player skill rather than be a gimmick used once or twice per fight in order to label it the "toughest boss".

[Sy_Accursed]

Nerfing soul split would make it useless in PvM situations, would it not? If it's less effective at maintaining health than Deflection Curses, then what's the point?

To make defense actually mean something, or to make it so you can't camp indefinitely at (admittedly lower-tier) boss monsters?

 

I'm pretty sure he means what would be the point of soul split then.

 

Personally I don't see the issue with SS too much tbh - sure it lets you camp low end bosses pretty much indefinitely, but it is a higher tier prayer requiring over lvl 90 to even use. Of course it's going to be over powered against lower tier stuff, they can't balance high end stuff against how it performs on low end fights if they did everything would just be really rubbish.

[Quyneax]

Just watched the video - not having your own PC sucks.

 

I really hope the making-levels-matter-more deal works out, and that the armour changes are good, but I'm afraid of two things:

1) Ports armour becomes useless.

2) Damage still won't be affected by levels - in the video, the mod only mentions hit chance.

[Estoc]

Nerfing soul split would make it useless in PvM situations, would it not? If it's less effective at maintaining health than Deflection Curses, then what's the point?

To make defense actually mean something, or to make it so you can't camp indefinitely at (admittedly lower-tier) boss monsters?

 

I'm pretty sure he means what would be the point of soul split then.

 

Personally I don't see the issue with SS too much tbh - sure it lets you camp low end bosses pretty much indefinitely, but it is a higher tier prayer requiring over lvl 90 to even use. Of course it's going to be over powered against lower tier stuff, they can't balance high end stuff against how it performs on low end fights if they did everything would just be really rubbish.

I fully agree. It's nerfed enough with the 250 healing cap anyway.

 

 

Just watched the video - not having your own PC sucks.

 

I really hope the making-levels-matter-more deal works out, and that the armour changes are good, but I'm afraid of two things:

1) Ports armour becomes useless.

2) Damage still won't be affected by levels - in the video, the mod only mentions hit chance.

 

Isn't port armor already useless?

[Quyneax]

Well yeah, good point. Guess I should've said "stays useless".

[Alg]

Personally I don't see the issue with SS too much tbh - sure it lets you camp low end bosses pretty much indefinitely, but it is a higher tier prayer requiring over lvl 90 to even use. Of course it's going to be over powered against lower tier stuff, they can't balance high end stuff against how it performs on low end fights if they did everything would just be really rubbish.

It's worth noting that I don't actually know what I'm talking about, it just seems like our high level community complains when things are too easy, but complains harder if they can't indefinitely camp a boss that's balanced for lower levels.

[Tansuo]

It's worth noting that I don't actually know what I'm talking about, it just seems like our high level community complains when things are too easy, but complains harder if they can't indefinitely camp a boss that's balanced for lower levels.

 

It's not always a complaint that things are too easy, it's often an observation, albeit tinged with nostalgia. It's the change from when high tier upon realise of said activity was near enough the equivalent of mid tier now.

They complain when they can't camp something like GWD because it's the removal of something they find fun, being able to do it with little start up effort for the time spent there. Why is the fact that they object to the removal of an enjoyable activity so hard to accept?

There are plenty more profitable ways the high level community could spend their time, such as Nex, KK or QBD, but the first two require the set up of teams (Nex also requires the arduous requirement of finding a world, KK is just a troll of a boss) and QBD requires quite a lot of effort to reach the sort of Gp/h that these players are after (read 24kills/h plus).

 

As I said, criticising the higher level community for them doing something they find enjoyable is simply ludicrous. What do you expect them to do? For them to apologise for enjoying themselves and go back to grinding out hour after our for exp past level 99? Granted some find that enjoyable, but most don't. Seriously, it's a game, it's designed to be fun and enjoyable.

[Platinum_Myr]

At least instancing means that lower-ish lvl people can actually attempt the bosses without the risk of being trolled by higher lvl people.

[Alg]

As I said, criticising the higher level community for them doing something they find enjoyable is simply ludicrous. What do you expect them to do? For them to apologise for enjoying themselves and go back to grinding out hour after our for exp past level 99? Granted some find that enjoyable, but most don't. Seriously, it's a game, it's designed to be fun and enjoyable.

I'm not criticising them as much as the ones that complain whenever there's an update that isn't aimed at everyone with 90s in everything. I have nothing against players that enjoy bosses, but nothing for contempt for those that fight a mid-level boss with (frequently game-breaking) endgame gear and tactics, and complain that it's too easy.

 

As most of Tip.It falls into the latter category, this comes up fairly often :razz:

[Aiel]

If jagex didn't insist on dragging low tier equipment up with damage boosts and prayer bonus we wouldn't have that problem as low level bosses wouldn't be good money for high level players.

[Hedgehog]

I checked with Avatar and PoP will be defensive and Nex is offensive however the difference between the two because of this means PoP will be far more useful in harder, more accurate hitting situations as it carries better armour and LP values. Things like this and Defence post-update should mean not considering Tank armour comes at a price. People can still use Nex gear and it will still be the best power armour however PoP armour will allow for safer and more sustainable kills.

 

One of the key things this update will address is that currently Nex gear can be considered Tank gear as well as offering DPS increases. With the change, it'll be Power not Tank so will come at a cost, thus increasing the gap between it and PoP gear.

 

Via MCL on the HLF

[brunokiller]

I'm curious which role Void will play in this. I hope they don't nerf it into the ground, we really do not need more dead minigames at the moment.

[Aiel]

I checked with Avatar and PoP will be defensive and Nex is offensive however the difference between the two because of this means PoP will be far more useful in harder, more accurate hitting situations as it carries better armour and LP values. Things like this and Defence post-update should mean not considering Tank armour comes at a price. People can still use Nex gear and it will still be the best power armour however PoP armour will allow for safer and more sustainable kills.

 

One of the key things this update will address is that currently Nex gear can be considered Tank gear as well as offering DPS increases. With the change, it'll be Power not Tank so will come at a cost, thus increasing the gap between it and PoP gear.

 

Via MCL on the HLF

:wall: does he honestly think you need armor anywhere except like solo nex? Removing KC from gwd will make raw power much better then staying ability. Void is almost always the best armor right now (I did ~6 hours of bgwd in just void this weekend with no food, QBD it only isn't helpful if you're lazy, leaving pretty much tanking nex/kk). Defense is useless, and with levels playing a bigger part, equipment defense should be even more useless then it is now.

[Hedgehog]

I checked with Avatar and PoP will be defensive and Nex is offensive however the difference between the two because of this means PoP will be far more useful in harder, more accurate hitting situations as it carries better armour and LP values. Things like this and Defence post-update should mean not considering Tank armour comes at a price. People can still use Nex gear and it will still be the best power armour however PoP armour will allow for safer and more sustainable kills.

 

One of the key things this update will address is that currently Nex gear can be considered Tank gear as well as offering DPS increases. With the change, it'll be Power not Tank so will come at a cost, thus increasing the gap between it and PoP gear.

 

Via MCL on the HLF

:wall: does he honestly think you need armor anywhere except like solo nex? Removing KC from gwd will make raw power much better then staying ability. Defense is useless, and with levels playing a bigger part, equipment defense should be even more useless then it is now.

Does he have to think that?

 

I think it's a good mechanic for high levels to use nex gear for general slayer and maybe some bosses that are meant for level 60 or 70 gear. It will have almost no defense and will provide good DPS. Then when they fight something that requires decent defense (Nex, QBD, KK), tank armor will be essentially required.

 

I honestly doubt that Nex gear will suffice for GWD. You might have to use barrows at a minimum to stay for more than a few kills.

[Blutters]

Ideally, Obsidian armor is going to become the T80 class all/hybrid with the removal of x3 splinter damage (pretty much confirmed by the video I believe).

I wouldn't be surprised to see Glacor boots/Automaton gloves become offensive alongside an introduction of PoP boots/gloves and perhaps further T85 offensive head/body/leg slots over the coming year.

To fill in the gaps, Chaotic armor could be introduced for T80 defensive and Hybrid could be made useable outside of minigames for T85 hybrid. I realize of course that some pieces of Hybrid gear are quite easy to get (namely gloves) and others take inordinately long times (helms, legs), but I'm sure something could be done to make it fairer, compared to obtaining other equipment pieces of the same levels.

I'm not really sure what they could do at tier 70, however. Perhaps Elite Void could be bumped up a bit to become the hybrid class there?

 

The truth is that Nex and PoP armors should have never been considered direct competition for one another as they're on two different tiers, especially considering that the 5-level difference means a greater disparity in stats the further up the tiers you go.

[Platinum_Myr]

Except if Nex has dmg bonus, and Ports does not, the extra defense is usually negligible compared to higher offense.

[kamil1210]

and still no word about new t90 weapons, yay balance!