Future Update Discussions

[Octarine]

so white/black knight quest reworks next month instead of a new quest? Quest withrdrawl symptoms returning...

If they follow their trend of quest reworks they'll probably release black knight fortress rework plus a new sequel at the same time.

[brunokiller]

They're going to change black knights' fortress into a signature hero (the knight one whose name escapes me at the moment)

[Blofeld]

Sir Owen-I've been wondering when we were going to get his quest. Hopefully theres a chance Falador will get a lick of paint when we get a quest rework, itll help with making the map look better for new players, as currently in th HTML 5 beta looking at Falador from afar it stands out like a sore thumb.

[Alg]

Intriguing... The black knight fortress... Feels like it needs a bit more...

Peaceful forest, peaceful forest, ENORMOUS BLACK CASTLE OF EVIL, peaceful forest...

 

I mean, it's a nice castle, but to say it looks out of place would be the understatement of the year.

[Ruinous Edge]

Sir Owen-I've been wondering when we were going to get his quest. Hopefully theres a chance Falador will get a lick of paint when we get a quest rework, itll help with making the map look better for new players, as currently in th HTML 5 beta looking at Falador from afar it stands out like a sore thumb.

I can see the black knight's fortress rework into Sir Owen's quest linked with Falador overhaul, it would make no sense not to combine the two updates. I recall this being discussed in detail on this thread around late 2012-early 2013ish possibly? along with possibility of reworking a member quest at the same time, possibly Wanted! or Recruitment Drive i think were popular choices at the time.

 

Intriguing... The black knight fortress... Feels like it needs a bit more...

Peaceful forest, peaceful forest, ENORMOUS BLACK CASTLE OF EVIL, peaceful forest...

 

I mean, it's a nice castle, but to say it looks out of place would be the understatement of the year.

Personally I think it needs to look more evil...like the sith temple out of Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds, more spikes and such, but that's just my personal preference.

google image.

[Drazhor]

Was wondering what that building in the background to the right of the image was; it's DWF..

[Sy_Accursed]

Who wants to take bets on how many system updates it'll take jagex to fix bugs with Black Knight Fortress not being correctly zoned as non-wildy now it expands further than before?

[Quyneax]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

[Sy_Accursed]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

 

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

[Tansuo]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

 

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

 

It looks so horribly out of place. Theres a nice patch of green grass with some trees and a pyre then BAM! an ugly ass black castle appears out of nowhere. No build up scenery or anything. It's like they didn't make an effort to integrate it into the landscape at all.

[Matey]

I expect the black knights were a bit too busy with other things to try and make the scenery a nice gradient from picturesque greens to dark and menacing blacks. Perhaps they discovered asbestos and faulty pipework in the old fortress and had to take money out of their gardening budget to complete the building work?

 

In all seriousness, I don't really see anything wrong with it. Sure it looks weird, but they're only black knights. I don't think a build up in scenery is really necessary, it's not like they have some evil aura about them that causes plant-life around them to wither and turn black.

 

That's my opinion anyway!

[Tansuo]

Yeah but with how evil it is meant to look, you'd think that the area around it share similarities.

[Sy_Accursed]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

 

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

 

It looks so horribly out of place. Theres a nice patch of green grass with some trees and a pyre then BAM! an ugly ass black castle appears out of nowhere. No build up scenery or anything. It's like they didn't make an effort to integrate it into the landscape at all.

 

Why exactly does a black ugly fortress require 'build up' in the landscape?

I could buy a plot of land in an idyllic meadow and build a big-ass black ugly building, nothing forces there to be deadened trees and ground around it.

[Matey]

I do agree that it looks odd and would be more pleasing to the eye if there was some build up, but I'm not convinced it would make sense.

 

I can't really remember what happens during the events of the quest(s) where you go under the fortress (is that WGS?), but perhaps you could argue that the guys underneath it (Dragonhai?) give off some sort of evil that would blacken and kill the nearby landscape. Seems a bit of a stretch to me, though.

[Alg]

Maybe the best option isn't to make the landscape match the castle, but to make the castle match the landscape. It's almost an entirely different graphical style from the rest of the area, including nearby Falador. More to the point, it doesn't look like an outpost that belongs to a faction that has (quite literally) been pushed underground by their opponents.

[Randox]

This weeks teasers are up. Looks to be the new prayer training.

[Hedgehog]

How does it look out of place?

 

It's in the wilderness, surrounded by all the dead trees and shit. Only a bridge connects it to the forests of Asgarnia.

[helring]

Interesting pictures, It appears to be god colours coming out of it because you have zarosian purple, zamorakian red, seren/saradominian/armadylian white/silver, and I can't tell if maybe thats supposed to be normal water or maybe saradominian blue. I may be reading too much into it though because unless its like hot pink there aren't too many colours not claimed by the gods however considering its a prayer update seems likely that the colours are somehow linked to the gods.

 

EDIT: Oh and one of the bucket things looks bandosian brown. Taking a second look it seems like maybe we have to mix the god colours into the normal water to fill it with prayer energy or something.

[Platinum_Myr]

This looks fairly interesting.

[Binary Mage]

I must say, giant bottomless pit with eerie vaguely humanoid elongated hands wriggling out from it is absolutely terrifying. Reminds me of the Enigma of Amigara Fault.

 

Glad that we're getting some low-level prayer training methods, especially one that looks this interesting lore-wise.

[Urza285]

Would be interesting for lore I bet.

[Tim]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

 

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

 

It looks so horribly out of place. Theres a nice patch of green grass with some trees and a pyre then BAM! an ugly ass black castle appears out of nowhere. No build up scenery or anything. It's like they didn't make an effort to integrate it into the landscape at all.

 

Why exactly does a black ugly fortress require 'build up' in the landscape?

I could buy a plot of land in an idyllic meadow and build a big-ass black ugly building, nothing forces there to be deadened trees and ground around it.

 

And that's why you're not a concept designer. You know how you walk into Draynor, it slowly goes darker and darker, due to the omnipresence of Count Draynor, the Vampire who corrupted that area of land with his tyranny? Exactly. They didn't just build a ruined, evil manor on a flowerbed, they gradually built up to its presence of aura. The way the design looks so far for the black knight's castle, is some styrofoam sprayed black and plopped on the wilderness boarder.

[Urza285]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

 

It looks so horribly out of place. Theres a nice patch of green grass with some trees and a pyre then BAM! an ugly ass black castle appears out of nowhere. No build up scenery or anything. It's like they didn't make an effort to integrate it into the landscape at all.

 

Why exactly does a black ugly fortress require 'build up' in the landscape?

I could buy a plot of land in an idyllic meadow and build a big-ass black ugly building, nothing forces there to be deadened trees and ground around it.

 

And that's why you're not a concept designer. You know how you walk into Draynor, it slowly goes darker and darker, due to the omnipresence of Count Draynor, the Vampire who corrupted that area of land with his tyranny? Exactly. They didn't just build a ruined, evil manor on a flowerbed, they gradually built up to its presence of aura. The way the design looks so far for the black knight's castle, is some styrofoam sprayed black and plopped on the wilderness boarder.

Honestly the story change up might actually make the clunkiness acceptable. Ideally though I would have a expected to see a hidden fortress on the fringe of the wilderness. But I would have also expected to see some significant path to falador to emphasize its past with the city. Possibly even some in the corner lodgings for them in or near the city itself.

[Sy_Accursed]

That fortress is so ugly :(. The height/width ratio is wrong, it looks like a 4x4x4 cube (that's metres) because of how fat the walls are and the size of the gate. It just looks really fake...

 

I don't think it looks all that bad on its own, just in relation to most other game features eg it dwarfs all the fortress and palaces and castles we already have and it looks rather wrong in relation to the trees imo.

 

It looks so horribly out of place. Theres a nice patch of green grass with some trees and a pyre then BAM! an ugly ass black castle appears out of nowhere. No build up scenery or anything. It's like they didn't make an effort to integrate it into the landscape at all.

 

Why exactly does a black ugly fortress require 'build up' in the landscape?

I could buy a plot of land in an idyllic meadow and build a big-ass black ugly building, nothing forces there to be deadened trees and ground around it.

 

And that's why you're not a concept designer. You know how you walk into Draynor, it slowly goes darker and darker, due to the omnipresence of Count Draynor, the Vampire who corrupted that area of land with his tyranny? Exactly. They didn't just build a ruined, evil manor on a flowerbed, they gradually built up to its presence of aura. The way the design looks so far for the black knight's castle, is some styrofoam sprayed black and plopped on the wilderness boarder.

 

Your example for effecting surroundings makes no sense, which is most likely why you are not a concept designer either.

 

Count Draynor is an evil and corrupting force that ruled over Draynor and corrupted the area, it makes sense for him to of had a corrupting effect beyond his home.

The Black Knights are a small relatively 'underground' faction who, as the lore goes, predominantly fail at doing stuff. They have no magical presence or corrupting power to warrant an effect of the landscape. Even their current fortress doesn't do that. The two are totally different things, with vastly different concepts behind them, one is a ruler WITH power and a corrupting presence which warrants deadened trees and dark lighting to emphasise the downtrodden oppressive feeling of the villagers. The other is a fortress owned by some knights, not mages or fantastical beasts, just plain old knights who are a bit useless and don't really command anything.

[Miss Lioness]

I wonder why now he is dead, the area hasn't started to regain it's life.