Do YOU believe in God?

[Evilperson]

no pic no proof

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Am i the only one who found that funny?

 

 

 

I guess I am just immature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But really, someone answer me. Why do you believe in god?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it something to do on the weekends? Is it to fit in? Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And please don't tell me to read the past 23 pages, that isn't usefull at all.

 

 

 

Besides, most of the pages are useless flames.

[Fleshstabber]

Im with all you Catholics out there. This argument could go on and on for a life time but heres for you all. I know them backwards and forwards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Thou shall not have any other gods before me.

 

 

 

2. Thou shall not take the lords name in vain.

 

 

 

3. Keep holy the saboth day. (sunday)

 

 

 

4. Honor thy father and mother.

 

 

 

5. Thou shall not kill.

 

 

 

6. Thou shall not commit adultery.

 

 

 

7. Thou shall not steal.

 

 

 

8. Thou shall bear false witness against thy neighbor.

 

 

 

9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife.

 

 

 

10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heres Gods rules. Have fun with your life

[soda711]

I dont believe in God. I dont see it can be real. I dont believe in heaven, or hell. There is no SOLID prove about any of it. Some lunatic could have made it up aaaaaaaages ago, and everyone believed it. Im not one of those people, who force the others to think the same way as me, but i would find it interesting to see how many people see it my way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mod Edit: Please use search function before posting as topic existed ;) I locked the other topic as it was a bit lengthy. ~Alduron]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i DONT see it your way!

[dwarfie76]

I would also like to point out that it does not use the word kill, it instead says "murder." Until killing squirrels becomes illegal, its not considered murder. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Up until very recently it said "Thou shalt not kill." This was quickly revised to "murder" when some smarty pants pointed out the quandry this would create for any good old fashioned southern baptist who happened to favour the death penalty.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

 

 

Maybe because they're correct. You never did answer my quesiton. Is it fair to make a universal claim about something you do not have universal knowledge about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, why not? Does gravity work the same way in every single galaxy; you havenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t visited them so how do you know? It's called homogeneity and isotropy you mainly use these for big ideas like in astronomy or in your case proving a universal god or a network of souls. The question should be why homogeneity or isotropy doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t apply to my case and what causes it to be inconsistent, why would god favour one direction or one area over another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It is unfair to make a universal negative claim about something you do not have universal knowledge about. To know that there isn't B in A, you need to know all of A. But to know that there is C in A, all you need to know is the part of A where C is located, not all of A.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If someone says there is a snake in front of you (the universal claim), what you do is look down and disprove it. Some negative existential problems can be proven which contradicts what you are saying. Also some of the bible does contradict with reality, account of genesis for starters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion saying there is an absence of god is not a negative claim, it is the same as making no claim about god at all (but not acknowledging the question in the first place). Turning the question back to you, do you think it is logically possible that a knock-down, deductive disproof of your god may exist in the 99.9 percent that is outside your pool of knowledge and experience? How about all the other negative claims theists make, there is no knowledge dos doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t know, there is no evil act god does, there is no logical act god canÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t do, there is no thing that comes from nothing, there is no naturalistic origin of the universe and so on.

[insane]

 

 

 

 

Maybe because they're correct. You never did answer my quesiton. Is it fair to make a universal claim about something you do not have universal knowledge about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, why not? Does gravity work the same way in every single galaxy; you havenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t visited them so how do you know? It's called homogeneity and isotropy you mainly use these for big ideas like in astronomy or in your case proving a universal god or a network of souls. The question should be why homogeneity or isotropy doesnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t apply to my case and what causes it to be inconsistent, why would god favour one direction or one area over another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because your claim is a universal negative, and mine is a positive. Did you read my apple seed analogy?

[Death_By_Pod]

^^

 

 

 

Edit in last post insane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course the more physical and active feelings are going to show up easier on SPECT scans - but I would be interested to show me some papers where brain scans can prove that someone loves someone else. (Seperating the emotion of love and lust.) For instance, in high school, several people "love" each other, and later down the road they jsut realized that they were only in lust and liked that person a lot. Can you find me image scans that can prove the feeling someone has of knowing they are with "the one" that differintiates from the feeling of just physical attractive or active emotions. There is a BIG difference but I've never read of an image scan being able to show it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=biochemistry+of+love&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For a start, I never said it was purely done by brain scanning; in fact most of it is related to biochemistry such as pheromones, testosterone, oestrogen, dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, phenylethylamine and so on. It is theorised that falling out of love/lust after the first couple of years is due to building up a resistance to the chemicals your brain produces to make you feel in love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its actually not a matter of me being right or wrong. I simply made an assumption in order for you to give me an answer. Rhetoric I've found is a lot like the scientific method. You make a hypothesis and then you test it. If you were wrong, it doesn't really matter because you at least found out what you wanted to know. I asked you a question for a very specific reason because I wanted to know what you believe. In order to get the best answer from you, I made an assumption. And it worked, because now I know that you believe love exists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ThatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not how science works, if you bothered to look on the internet you would find all sorts of ways love is reduced to chemical reactions. ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the saying that a couple has chemistry between them, because itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s true. Science works by making a claim and then going out to disprove it, not siting around any saying your true and getting someone else to do the hard work; thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s why we have so many problems like intelligent design.

[madchild]

I've been baptised in the holy spirit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now thats good enough for me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe on God. And always will.

[Fiery_Gyr]

This discussion is pointless. Nobody will ever give in to someone else, so why does this topic still exist? :?

[insane]

This discussion is pointless. Nobody will ever give in to someone else, so why does this topic still exist? :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because you misunderstand the point of the topic - it's not to convert anyone, it's just to discuss because we enjoy doing it.

[lunapasa]

No no, killing squirrels is okay. God put them there for you to kill for food/clothing(not for fun).

 

 

 

When God created the garden of Eden (if that's what it's called) WITH the squirrels there was no "clothing" and Adam and Eve ate the fruit, not the animals.

[terley]

 

No no, killing squirrels is okay. God put them there for you to kill for food/clothing(not for fun).

 

 

 

When God created the garden of Eden (if that's what it's called) WITH the squirrels there was no "clothing" and Adam and Eve ate the fruit, not the animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you can't just live on fruit alone.. You need a balanced diet, protein.. Vegetarians wouldn't exist today without beans, cheese etc.. They wouldn't be able to survive..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And come on... you actually think there was an Adam and Eve.. Well maybe in primitive monkey form.. But the human race didn't start from 2 people.. That is litterally impossible, everything has evolved from basic single celled amoebas, in the trillions.. And eventually evolved in the certain forms depending on our habitat.. Adam and Eve is a stupid story..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im very optimistic to things that haven't been proven to be false though, how is everything here? I believe there was a big bang, but what caused that?? who created the particles needed for that??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you say God made it... Heres a question for ya.. Who the hell created God?? If he was always just here, how don't you know the universe wasn't always just here?

[jwrm22]

 

 

 

1. Thou shall not have any other gods before me.

 

 

 

2. Thou shall not take the lords name in vain.

 

 

 

3. Keep holy the saboth day. (sunday)

 

 

 

4. Honor thy father and mother.

 

 

 

5. Thou shall not kill.

 

 

 

6. Thou shall not commit adultery.

 

 

 

7. Thou shall not steal.

 

 

 

8. Thou shall bear false witness against thy neighbor.

 

 

 

9. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors wife.

 

 

 

10. Thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Heres Gods rules. Have fun with your life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

saboth day = saterday...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its now sunday becuz: Jezus was killed the day b4 sabath day, and standed up at (left his grave) at sunday... thats why we have the sunday and not the saterday...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

etleast... its bttr to start with god (bigin of the week) then end with god (last day of the week)

[Fleshstabber]

lol. somthin like that

[blue107]

i really started believing when i was watching a 'super 70's' episode on VH-1 and hoping these 3 songs would be on and i was really hoping because i had a bad day and just wanted to hear them and at the end they were all on in order of what i wanted them to be on :| and also same thing happened at the mall except there was a really awkward moment with friends and this mall never plays music and as i was thinking it a religios song came on saying 'believe in god he loves ya'

[Evilperson]

you can't just live on fruit alone.. You need a balanced diet, protein.. Vegetarians wouldn't exist today without beans, cheese etc.. They wouldn't be able to survive..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And come on... you actually think there was an Adam and Eve.. Well maybe in primitive monkey form.. But the human race didn't start from 2 people.. That is litterally impossible, everything has evolved from basic single celled amoebas, in the trillions.. And eventually evolved in the certain forms depending on our habitat.. Adam and Eve is a stupid story..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im very optimistic to things that haven't been proven to be false though, how is everything here? I believe there was a big bang, but what caused that?? who created the particles needed for that??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you say God made it... Heres a question for ya.. Who the hell created God?? If he was always just here, how don't you know the universe wasn't always just here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that if there were only 2 people to populate billions upon billions of people, there would be some serious inbreeding and some serious f*c*ed up people. I mean how would you explain the differant races? If adam and eve were white, how the hell did blacks, hispanics, asian and any other race come about to be?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And i can predict the Christians are going to say "God is so powerful that he created himself", or some other lame answer.

[Greatsilverwyrm]

Way to be respectful and open-minded to other people's views, guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't have to beleive what they do, but you don't have to belittle them for standing up for what they beleive in. It's not like they're trying to force you to beleive what they do.

[Evilperson]

GSW - I never meant to be offensive to anyone, thats just what I think.

 

 

 

I am just expressing my opinion in what a typical Christian would believe. So I am sorry if I offended anyone, but thats just what I think.

[Pur304]

And i can predict the Christians are going to say "God is so powerful that he created himself", or some other lame answer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God is the BEGINNING and the END. If he was the beginning then nothing created him. He is infinite so he has always been there and always will be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If he was made then there must be a force more powerful. If there was, then God would contradict himself in being omnisent. Therefore he wouldn't exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a question for you. Where did everything start? It couldn't of just been made like that, because the existance of God is much more credible than a bang from nowhere.

[lunapasa]

actually a lot of christians don't care who/what created God, that's no the point of believing in him.

[insane]

And i can predict the Christians are going to say "God is so powerful that he created himself", or some other lame answer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or maybe God by definition is uncaused. Don't put words into our mouths in order to insult us.

[Collective]

the existance of God is much more credible than a bang from nowhere.

 

 

 

Since when were the Big Bang Theory and the 'God theory' (for want of a better name) mutually exclusive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me save you a headache and give you the answer: They aren't mutually exclusive, and they never were.

[terley]

let me get this straight... you all believe god has just always been here, how don't you know the universe hasn't 'always existed'? :?: :?: :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

scientists have evidence that the universe is constantly expanding, from where the 'big bang' was said to have taken place.. (measuring the strength of light from planets and stars, shown that in one direction the light strength is becoming stronger, and in the opposite direction it's constantly becomin weaker..)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

everything with mass has gravity so theory suggests that in billions of years the universe with cease to expand, and start to shrink back together..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its the build up of all things in the universe that first started the bb.. a mass built up of reactive gases and substances, when you see two elements reacting in science lessons, thats not god.. :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

maybe it's the same cycle, constant big bangs springing life, ova and ova again ;) ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but as i said, im optimistic in the way that we don't know what created the first molecules in space.. and i think its fine some of you would think something must of made it, but i wouldn't be quick to label it 'god', someone who watches over us. :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the bible could well have been true, a mix of fictional, and some based on real stories.. noah's arch could have been a real event about a man who saved two of every animal in his area, a lot of the world at this point wasn't discovered and there are records of great floods..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

people never really wrote down records so we'll never know exactly what happened, and things don't last.. in a few thousand years i'll bet ya people will have stories from today, about the memorable wars, martin luther king, gandhi etc :wink: ..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i think the only race that has strong record through time is the old chinese monks, who have (dated) buried records in their monasteries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

oh and don't think im dissin your faith gsw, i just don't believe in god.. :wink: it's good to be open minded but sticking every unproven thing to 'God' is just lazy thinking. but if it gives you peace of mind by all means believe..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ps.. my keyboards still broke, im copyin letter by letter :cry:

[Pur304]

 

the existance of God is much more credible than a bang from nowhere.

 

 

 

Since when were the Big Bang Theory and the 'God theory' (for want of a better name) mutually exclusive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me save you a headache and give you the answer: They aren't mutually exclusive, and they never were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have aspirin for those matters. You still didn't answer my question. Where did everything start?

[terley]

 

 

the existance of God is much more credible than a bang from nowhere.

 

 

 

Since when were the Big Bang Theory and the 'God theory' (for want of a better name) mutually exclusive?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me save you a headache and give you the answer: They aren't mutually exclusive, and they never were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have aspirin for those matters. You still didn't answer my question. Where did everything start?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

aherm..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

its the build up of all things in the universe that first started the bb.. a mass built up of reactive gases and substances, when you see two elements reacting in science lessons, thats not god..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we know the big bang happened, but your right, we don't know where everything started, and i doubt asking on a mmorpg forum will get you the answer you're looking for.