^ The thing about the quest is:

 

 

 

1. Jagex won't make another quest for F2P

 

 

 

2. It would be easier just to give us bankspace or the box (Less memory taken)

 

 

 

3. It would have to be a limit but 5 boxes for members would give them 45 additional spaces. That's a lot of bankspace considering members only get a dozen or so every 6-12 months.

you're an idiot, shut up.

 

Jagex is paid to have the ads up, it's an indirect way of paying.

 

I agree with you though, it is not likely for F2P to get any update.

 

How is F2P full of blah blah, blah, and blah blah blah, [puncture]s?

 

 

 

F2P deserves to exist because it has been chosen for it to exist. The creator has decided for it to exist, and it isn't your place to say otherwise.

you're an idiot, shut up.

 

Jagex is paid to have the ads up, it's an indirect way of paying.

 

I agree with you though, it is not likely for F2P to get any update.

 

How is F2P full of blah blah, blah, and blah blah blah, [puncture]s?

 

 

 

F2P deserves to exist because it has been chosen for it to exist. The creator has decided for it to exist, and it isn't your place to say otherwise.

 

I find it funny that you were agreeing with him a few pages ago. No hard feelings anymore though.

 

 

 

And eh, as for your reactions to my idea.

 

Stick in the limit fro P2P then. 4 or 5 boxes. 40 or 50 spaces. P2P does get that every few months.

 

And a reason a box could be better is that it simply is simpler. There has never been a quest before in which the reward is bank space. There have been quests in which the reward is an item.

 

I'm not sure, but I think it'd also reduce the space taken.

 

 

 

And Jagex could make another quest. Not very likely, but eh...Does anyone know if F2P has ever gotten a new quest?

 

 

 

And I think it's more like P2P getting 24-48 bank spaces every 6 months or so. If that's all the new "bank space" for the year, then that'd be good.

 

 

 

Or, my idea is rubbish and I came up with it randomly. Probably that.

I support. 12 spaces isn't much to ask for and it would really help F2P players.

 

Alternatively, Jagex could at least offer F2P a place to store random event outfits, as these take up a huge portion of F2P's bankspace.

 

 

 

 

 

\ 1st post!!! \

NO NO NO!!!!!

 

 

 

F2P doesn't deserve, and will never get, bankspace!!!!! they are a bunch of lying, scamming [puncture]s who think they pay for runescape, but dont! you show me 100 people who acctually click the ads, and i might believe a LITTLE bt. but otherwise, f2p doesn't deserve to exist

 

 

 

You are just a person who spends so much time on Runescape that you actually pay $5 to be a member. Now you see people who can't be a member and you are full of jealousy that they get some extra bank space. STOP FLAMING THIS THREAD! If these people have so much desire to get f2p more bank space. Let them be. Just stay away from this thread. never read it again. you'll feel a whole lot better

To make it fair for both sides.

 

 

 

Total bank space:

 

FTP: 100.

 

PTP 500 (Not sure if they got more).

 

 

 

Storing random event costume:

 

FTP: Someone, somewhere, somehow (Only able to put in costume sets).

 

PTP: Someone, somewhere, somehow + costume room.

I'm going for Moonshadow's Costume Box idea. I'm not into bank space anymore.

 

 

 

Not into bankspace anymore? :?

 

 

 

Having Random Event items stored into one space would save a lot of bank space which would leave it open for everything else.

I'm going for Moonshadow's Costume Box idea. I'm not into bank space anymore.

 

Not into bankspace anymore? :?

 

Having Random Event items stored into one space would save a lot of bank space which would leave it open for everything else.

 

And what about certain quest-related items that can't be made again, like The Knight's Sword, which you have to be careful to have a chance of making duplicates during the quest? Or the key from Draynor Manor? Or what about the Ghostspeak Ammy after you've done the quest in F2P?

 

 

 

BTW, I like having that sword for certain special events. :?

 

 

 

*sigh* -.- ... We really need more F2P bank space, big time.

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

Agreed.

I'm a member, but agree with all of this

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Only gonna answer to a couple sections. I don't see reason to get into more...

 

 

 

And even if there was no monetary hurdle to giving more space to f2p, there's also the fact that the most vocal portion of Runescape players (members, because they can post on the forums) by far majority wouldn't support the bankspace addition for f2p, considering that if f2p were eliminated in totality, all that money could possibly go towards p2p players.

 

I actually know P2P'ers who would quit RS if their F2P-limited friends couldn't be on with them. And BTW, do you know what would really be happening if F2P didn't exist? Jagex would have too few incoming members versus the higher amount of outgoing members, and RS would eventually die. 99% or more of the potential P2P'ers out there don't want to play a totally web-based game they can't properly check out first, and they won't want to play it even more if they feel pressured harshly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So from the angles I see it, it doesn't benefit anyone but f2p players to give them more bankspace.

 

Actually, it would be quite the opposite. It would benefit both P2P'ers and F2P'ers greatly to be able to have more bankspace in F2P.

 

 

 

Let's go with an example case, the "Ex-P2P'er" who might want to go P2P again, but has to wait a while to save up the IRL $$$ to do so. They'd also like to play, but with the current F2P bank size limits, they'd have to drop a lot of P2P items that they just can't lose for any one of an endless number of reasons. But, with an increased F2P bank space limit, they might be able to continue playing depending on their current bank space load amount. So there's at least one good reason for increased bank space in F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, here's another example as to why F2P should get more bank space that benefits P2P in the process... Let's say that some P2P'er wants to give an honest non-macroing F2P friend a really big job, and says to them something like:

 

 

 

===========BEGIN EXAMPLE JOB CHAT============

 

P2P_Person: Hey, could you get me the following?

 

• [*:34cty62a] 1K Iron Ore
   
  [*:34cty62a] 2K Coal
   
  [*:34cty62a] 1K Logs (Normal ones)
   
  [*:34cty62a] 15K Feathers
   
  [*:34cty62a] 2K Swordfish

 

F2P_Person: I wish I could, but I don't have the bank space... =(

 

============.END EXAMPLE JOB CHAT.============

 

 

 

At the moment, any F2P'er who really uses all their skills (yes, such as me) can't handle that tall order because we're at our bank space limits, which is why I ended that example job chat that way. This also means that the P2P'er who wants the items has 2 options:

 

1. [*:34cty62a]Get Jagex to give F2P more bank space so their friend can handle the job.
    
   [*:34cty62a]Find someone else, and end up paying more gp in the process.

 

Personally, I could be certain that both the P2P'er, and the friend F2P'er, would both rather for more F2P bank space in this situation for F2P and P2P alike. P2P'ers can count on F2P'er friends, but they can't count on strangers (doesn't matter if the stranger is F2P or P2P), so there is yet another reason for F2P to get more bank space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, chris1216, like to hop on board and support, now that I have shown that more F2P bank space can benefit P2P??? :) ... BTW, you're one of the first I've seen in a while that didn't give me a headache to reply to. Thank you, a lot. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

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Didn't see this.

 

 

 

My first argument about a lack of support from the p2p angle was simply an observation about the general attitude of P2P players (i.e. F2P players can take their complaints and shove them) and that translating to a large lack of support from the only group that has the real ear of Jagex on Runescape. This is regardless of any logical reason for P2P players to support F2P bankspace, because, lets face it, the most vocal P2P players (the ones who post all those rants) wouldn't know logic if it bit them on the [wagon].

 

 

 

 

 

The second part, your example about F2P bankspace benefitting P2P players is fairly limited in scope. Either that F2P player would be doing the smart thing (i.e. making decisions on what they can ditch from their bank) or the P2P player would just be buying it from someone else.

 

 

 

 

 

The as of yet insurmountable arguments AGAINST P2P bankspace still stand, mainly that P2P players have to deal with a greater ratio of storable items vs. bankspace than F2P players (far far greater), and that there's no reason for Jagex as a company to institute more F2P space.

 

 

 

Personally, I'm apathetic about the issue, being a P2P player.

I think I will bring this to the table... again. If F2P gets bank space, it won't be F2P only space. P2P will get that space and more. Knowing Jagex, at least 2x as much.

 

 

 

I see why your apathetic, this issue doesn't really effect you, but, getting more bank space wouldn't do any harm to the players.

 

 

 

*kills the quote pyramid*

Don't mind I say this.

 

 

 

Bank space:

 

FTP: 100.

 

PTP: 500.

 

 

 

As all of you can see.

 

If this where to update afew days or weeks from now.

 

PTP will get 5 times more bank space than FTP.

 

Does this seem fair now?

Maybe like a row. No more.

 

 

 

i agree, but thats why we pay ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã3.20 a month ;-)

Don't mind I say this.

 

 

 

Bank space:

 

FTP: 100.

 

PTP: 500.

 

 

 

As all of you can see.

 

If this where to update afew days or weeks from now.

 

PTP will get 5 times more bank space than FTP.

 

Does this seem fair now?

No, 100 spaces for F2P would be too much.

If we wanted that much, we'd be asking for p2pers to hate us... :?

I think I will bring this to the table... again. If F2P gets bank space, it won't be F2P only space. P2P will get that space and more. Knowing Jagex, at least 2x as much.

 

 

 

I see why your apathetic, this issue doesn't really effect you, but, getting more bank space wouldn't do any harm to the players.

 

 

 

*kills the quote pyramid*

 

 

 

Well of course it doesn't do any harm to any players. But the irrational mentality of P2P players is that any bonus to someone else is an assault on their own Runescape experiences. I was merely pointing that out to show that as a reason why P2P players as a majority don't support F2P bank space (we pay for bankspace, you no pay you no get).

 

 

 

The reason this suggestion isn't particularly viable isn't that it's not a benefit to players, it's that Jagex has zero reason to do it. F2P exists merely to lure players to P2P, and in fact any extra update for F2P players might convince some that might have bought memberships to do otherwise, which is the last thing they want.

 

 

 

Again, P2P players have to deal with a far far greater ratio of bankable items to bankspace, and if we can deal with it, so can you.

 

 

 

Which also reminds me- the reason this will never happen is because P2P players aren't rallying for bankspace (at the moment), so Jagex doesn't see any reason to give ANYONE space at the moment.

 

Or the key from Draynor Manor? Or what about the Ghostspeak Ammy after you've done the quest in F2P?

 

 

 

 

^You can get the Ghostspeak ammy back again, just talk to the guy in the swamp again. As for the key, what use would we have for it?

 

 

 

And 100 spaces is a bit too much, we have what 60 spaces right now? We just really need something to solve the random event problem. But I'd be happy with 12 more slots, it would allow me to store so much more stuff that I constanatly have to get rid of.

I think I will bring this to the table... again. If F2P gets bank space, it won't be F2P only space. P2P will get that space and more. Knowing Jagex, at least 2x as much.

 

 

 

I see why your apathetic, this issue doesn't really effect you, but, getting more bank space wouldn't do any harm to the players.

 

 

 

*kills the quote pyramid*

 

 

 

Well of course it doesn't do any harm to any players. But the irrational mentality of P2P players is that any bonus to someone else is an assault on their own Runescape experiences. I was merely pointing that out to show that as a reason why P2P players as a majority don't support F2P bank space (we pay for bankspace, you no pay you no get).

 

 

The reason this suggestion isn't particularly viable isn't that it's not a benefit to players, it's that Jagex has zero reason to do it. F2P exists merely to lure players to P2P, and in fact any extra update for F2P players might convince some that might have bought memberships to do otherwise, which is the last thing they want.

 

 

 

Again, P2P players have to deal with a far far greater ratio of bankable items to bankspace, and if we can deal with it, so can you.

 

 

 

Which also reminds me- the reason this will never happen is because P2P players aren't rallying for bankspace (at the moment), so Jagex doesn't see any reason to give ANYONE space at the moment.

 

 

 

I have bolded the particular paragraph that I will be replying to.

 

 

 

Like so many other P2P'ers (and the very few F2P'ers), you seem to believe that F2P is merely a demo, who's soul purpose is to lure in new members.

 

 

 

Two words: Not true.

 

 

 

The following is a direct quote from an interview with Andrew Gower, in which Andrew clearly states that F2P is not merely a demo of the game.

 

 

 

With my game, I was trying to emulate text MUDs at the time, purely as a hobby. I worked on it on and off over a number of years...and I believe I started from scratch 3 or 4 times. I finally launched a version of the game after a left university in 2001. The basic plan was to run it for free, but to pay for my hobby through advertising. However, when the dot com bubble began to collapse, advertising dried up, and there was no way to pay for the game's server.

 

 

 

This was really unfortunate because just the week before I had got 3 big servers for the game, and now was left with no way to pay for them. I began asking players for donations, but quickly decided that this was not the best way to go about it - to rely on people's sympathy.

 

 

 

This is how the members thing came about, with awarding premium items for members. Of course, when you begin to have people pay for things, things become quite a bit more complicated than they did when things were free, and I realized that I needed a proper commercial side of things in order to run it as a business.

 

 

 

(Source: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=13769)

 

 

 

If you read the above quote, and clearly understand what was said, you will see that Andrew not once referred to F2P as a demo, or just a way to rack in more subscribers. The entire game of Runescape was originally created as an entirely free game, purely out of Andrew's fascination with graphical game designing. P2P only came to be because over time, he lacked the necessary funds to keep the servers maintained on donations and his own money alone. With the new group of subscribers, Andrew was forced to change his plan of action, and make updates that would please the newly paying members. In no way does he refer to F2P as just a demo, and he never has even to this day. There is not a single reference in the KB that states that F2P is a demo. Unless the actual founder of the game states it, F2P is not merely a demo. The entire idea of F2P being a demo was created by obnoxious members that felt they were above the general audience because they payed money out of their pockets to play an online game. In no way is that factually accurate.

Ah you beat me too it Prankster...

Ah you beat me too it Prankster...

 

 

 

Too =/= to

 

 

 

Kthnx ;D

it says that the weekly rallies is cancelled so does that mean no more rallies forever? and shouldn't we be trying to let jagex know we are fighting instead of fighting amongst ourselves in this forum. Jagex doesn't read this forum. If we fight in this forum strip already, then we are no where near convincing jagex. We must stand together!!!

it says that the weekly rallies is cancelled so does that mean no more rallies forever? and shouldn't we be trying to let jagex know we are fighting instead of fighting amongst ourselves in this forum. Jagex doesn't read this forum. If we fight in this forum strip already, then we are no where near convincing jagex. We must stand together!!!

 

 

 

Kevy, the "fight amongst ourselves" you're referring to is the debates between supporters and opposer's. And no, the rallies are not canceled forever. This campaign has been going on for well over a year now, and we very well know what we must do to achieve the bankspace. You have to trust us on the fact that steps are being taken to move the campaign forward.

it says that the weekly rallies is cancelled so does that mean no more rallies forever? and shouldn't we be trying to let jagex know we are fighting instead of fighting amongst ourselves in this forum. Jagex doesn't read this forum. If we fight in this forum strip already, then we are no where near convincing jagex. We must stand together!!!

 

 

 

Kevy, the "fight amongst ourselves" you're referring to is the debates between supporters and opposer's. And no, the rallies are not canceled forever. This campaign has been going on for well over a year now, and we very well know what we must do to achieve the bankspace. You have to trust us on the fact that steps are being taken to move the campaign forward.

 

 

 

I see. I totally agree with this rally, it is just that i wish i could help in some way shape or form :pray: If i don't know what we are currently doing or when the next rally is, then how am i going to help.

Since 100 bank space is too much.

 

I'll ask for 75 bank space.

 

Something more is that FTP will have a place to store random event clothings.