Activists and Fur Farms

[jak722]

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I found this while reading in Yahoo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

By DANIEL WOOLLS, Associated Press Writer Sun Oct 15, 1:41 PM ET

 

 

 

MADRID, Spain - Vandals broke into three mink farms in northwestern Spain and freed more than 15,000 of the prized, furry animals, officials said Sunday.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Nadril]

I can see how one on their side could justify it (for the greater good you sometimes have to break some laws. I do belive this). However, in this case I do not support it at all.

 

 

 

Also, in this case it ended up causing someone a lot of money, and may just screw them over. I really don't think that is worth freeing some animals.

[knives669]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

[Anesthesia]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

 

 

 

So instead they get freed, depriving the farm owner of his dues, they starve to death within a short while and you don't even get a nice coat out of it.

 

 

 

There are millions of cows being kept the world over for nothing more than "tasty" food. They are next on the agenda. FIGHT THE POWAH! We should get the Liberate Apes Before Imprisoning Apes movement involved.

[knives669]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

 

 

 

So instead they get freed, depriving the farm owner of his dues, they starve to death within a short while and you don't even get a nice coat out of it. FIGHT THE POWAH!

 

 

 

Better to die in their natural habitat than be skinned.

 

 

 

And those farmers don't deserve their payment, in my opinion. They kill innocnet animals. There are other jobs out there.

[Faux]

Gosh, finally, a thread I can stomach. :pray:

 

 

 

I understand what the activists stand for, but they could've at least thought things through. What did they do? Instead of the compny killing those minks, the minks will just end up dying themselves. Then what? The company will just order in a bunch of them again. It doesn't do anything but disrupt the economy that provides jobs for the people there.

[Anesthesia]

Better to die in their natural habitat than be skinned.

 

 

 

No, no it isn't. Die quickly at the hands of a farmer (you don't think they skin them alive, do you?), who then gets paid for his effort & can feed his family or die slowly, out in the cold because they don't have the skills to survive in the wild, at the same time depriving a hard working man of what he needs to survive.

 

 

 

People come above animals. You might say that he should have had a different job but that is entirely irrelevant - that IS his job and that doesn't mean he deserves to be deprived of what he needs to survive.

[Barihawk]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

 

 

 

So instead they get freed, depriving the farm owner of his dues, they starve to death within a short while and you don't even get a nice coat out of it. FIGHT THE POWAH!

 

 

 

Better to die in their natural habitat than be skinned.

 

 

 

And those farmers don't deserve their payment, in my opinion. They kill innocnet animals. There are other jobs out there.

 

 

 

You have obviously never seen "Meet your Meat." Cows have all of thier skin ripped off violently by a machine before they are slaughtered. It's turned into leather.

 

 

 

And just about all those animals are not innocent animals of the wood, they are bred and live thier lives in captivity for one purpose, just like cows or chickens. They are treated well. But as a result, they did not learn to hunt and fish.

 

 

 

The eco-terrorists did nothing but rob them of a painless quick death and give them the agony of being ripped apart by a predator or the slow pangs of hunger as thier lives ebb away. In other words, the eco-freaks did waaaay more harm than good.

 

 

 

I never have much sympathy for eco-terrorists. I saw a few of them dumping blood on ladies wearing furs leaving Nordstroms. Those were arrested and sent to jail. And guess what, they deserved it. They are not "freedom fighters", they are terrorists. Pure and simple. They only care about thier own agenda and spare no concern to others.

 

 

 

I have seen firsthand this behavior. I once dated a girl who ended up being a member of Earth First. She worshipped trees. I was just about to break up with her over it, when I was called by the police to come pick her up after here and some of her E1st friends attacked lumberjacks with rocks! She and her friends were expelled from our University and now are finishing up a year-long prison sentence for violent assault.

[thebobcow]

I would rather have a few days in the wild and starve then go through any more of this

 

And you should watch meet your meat.

 

http://www.goveg.com/factoryFarming.asp

[BlueTear]

You know, I'd like to see some of these activists actually show some guts.

 

 

 

Small furry animal of choice get released from captivity. Animal scurries away whoever released them. Animal dies from starvation, if we're lucky.

 

 

 

If we're not lucky, animal runs rampant in an eco-system that was A) Most likely not prepared to handle quite that many of the animal B) May not even be the animal's natural habitat, at all. So, they wreck havoc in the eco-system. GG, really.

 

 

 

But, obviously, activists believe these actions server a purpose. Well, I can see one. Do enough economic damage to the people who do it, and they might just have to turn to something else for their daily livelyhood. It's brutal economic warfare, but it *might* just work. Of course, if we agree that releasing the furry animals just changes where they die - a death that is just as man made as the one they would have gotten otherwise - or whether they get to inflict some eco-damage before dying, the logical option that is both economic warfare and "Right" is to kill the furry animals themselves, in a way that causes maximum economic damage to the farmer.

 

 

 

But no, no, we can't kill the poor things... Just condemn them to a death in some outdoors environment that might not be their natural habitat and upset the local eco-system while we're doing it, but never actually get the blood on our own hands...

[BlueLancer]

 

People come above animals. You might say that he should have had a different job but that is entirely irrelevant - that IS his job and that doesn't mean he deserves to be deprived of what he needs to survive.

 

 

 

That's completely objective, millions of people believe/think all living things are equal (if counting religions like Buddhism that restrict all killing, billions). As a human, though, it's the most rational thing to value your own species above others. On a deeper level it's not justified. Controversially I still think the same way; If I had to choice between saving a human and an animal, I'd choose the first option.

 

 

 

However, I agree with you. Those same people very likely, if they aren't vegetarians, eat meat which was taken from a (nonetheless) killed animal, and they might buy products that directly harmed the living environment of another animal species.

 

 

 

And not all minks will die if not in captivity in a different ecosystem, many documentaries have been made about this subject. In this sense the owner is very biased, a great majority of minks that have been experimented with have been able to hunt their own food (though they'd eat even bird eggs and lessen the population of birds)

[Biabf]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

 

 

 

So instead they get freed, depriving the farm owner of his dues, they starve to death within a short while and you don't even get a nice coat out of it.

 

 

 

There are millions of cows being kept the world over for nothing more than "tasty" food. They are next on the agenda. FIGHT THE POWAH! We should get the Liberate Apes Before Imprisoning Apes movement involved.

If I was an activist, I would prefer animals to die in their natural habbit that in some horrible butcher house being skinned while still alive while some scummy farmer makes a ton out of it.

 

 

 

These farmers will probably lose their jobs = Less mink farmers = Less animal dieing.

[Kiriyama]

Hmm, they take things too far, while the intenetions that they hold are good they are also going against themselves. Man is a mammal, a type of animal in by freeing those animals they are also damaging other "animals".

[assassin_696]

I'm not going to get sentimental about a few minks dying, I eat meat so when it comes to animals I do place my wellbeing above animals. Normally I don't agree with eco-acitivists, especially when they go for other humans, that's not right.

 

 

 

However, I think on principle maybe this is what the mink farmer needed. I don't care what people say about his right to a job, there are hundreds of thousands of other jobs out there that he could get, and to me the mentality of fur coats isn't right. Those animals aren't being eaten for meat, we're not inuits we don't need fur coats to survive, fake fur is just as effective.

 

 

 

So if a man who breeds innocent animals for fashion loses profit, and some expensive shops lose out on this years latest fur coat, so what?

[Aijiru]

I have heard from that on the news... they said that since the animals were born in cautivity, they are unable to get their food and almost the 75% of them which haven't been catched by now are dead, killed by cars or simply died of hungry. And those ones which survived are rampaging arounds farms killing chickens and chopping down plants that they are unable to eat.

 

 

 

Maybe that's a cruel way to obtain money (I do not support this) but I don't think people who did that are right. There are better ways to fight against mink farms that leaving the animals free to destroy all the things they found in their way and eventually dying of hungry :-k

 

 

 

I do not support this at all. They are doing damage to the owners and the animals are not getting any benefits...

[runesmithie]

I support it. Those animals didn't do anything and are being killed for absolutely nothing more than "pretty" clothing.

 

 

 

So instead they get freed, depriving the farm owner of his dues, they starve to death within a short while and you don't even get a nice coat out of it. FIGHT THE POWAH!

 

 

 

Better to die in their natural habitat than be skinned.

 

 

 

And those farmers don't deserve their payment, in my opinion. They kill innocnet animals. There are other jobs out there.

 

 

 

You have obviously never seen "Meet your Meat." Cows have all of thier skin ripped off violently by a machine before they are slaughtered. It's turned into leather.

 

 

 

And just about all those animals are not innocent animals of the wood, they are bred and live thier lives in captivity for one purpose, just like cows or chickens. They are treated well. But as a result, they did not learn to hunt and fish.

 

 

 

The eco-terrorists did nothing but rob them of a painless quick death and give them the agony of being ripped apart by a predator or the slow pangs of hunger as thier lives ebb away. In other words, the eco-freaks did waaaay more harm than good.

 

 

 

I never have much sympathy for eco-terrorists. I saw a few of them dumping blood on ladies wearing furs leaving Nordstroms. Those were arrested and sent to jail. And guess what, they deserved it. They are not "freedom fighters", they are terrorists. Pure and simple. They only care about thier own agenda and spare no concern to others.

 

 

 

I have seen firsthand this behavior. I once dated a girl who ended up being a member of Earth First. She worshipped trees. I was just about to break up with her over it, when I was called by the police to come pick her up after here and some of her E1st friends attacked lumberjacks with rocks! She and her friends were expelled from our University and now are finishing up a year-long prison sentence for violent assault.

 

 

 

I don't know about you, but I'd take Meet Your Meat with a grain of salt seeing who it's coming from....

[Firebird75]

These people have such tunneled vision thinking "Their better off any where except these farms". This is very wrong. Where I volunteer we deal with orphaned and injured birds of prey and most of them don't even know how to take care of themselves in wild. My opinion of raising animals for fur is that it should be allowed as long as they treated and killed humanly. Again these activists totally wrong

[Mercifull]

People are confusing activist with anarchist. The people who released those Mink into the wild to their almost certain death were anarchists.

 

 

 

However big organisations such as PETA are no better, they fund international terrorist organisations, yes the ALF is a terrorist group, and kill over 95% of all animals they "save". Oh yeah and when the leader was dying she took medication which was tested on animals... Can anyone say hypocrites?

[Barihawk]

I don't know about you, but I'd take Meet Your Meat with a grain of salt seeing who it's coming from....

 

 

 

What? It's a very accurate film about how meat is made! At least it's painless. Our Ranching History professor took us out for burgers afterward, it was great.

 

 

 

Just don't watch that vid if you have eaten recently.

[Anesthesia]

I don't know about you, but I'd take Meet Your Meat with a grain of salt seeing who it's coming from....

 

 

 

Penn & Teller reported (in their programme Bullsh*t) that in 2002 PETA were buying large meat freezers to store all the animals they had put down - more than one third of what they 'rescued'.

 

 

 

When they kill them it is 'putting them down' or 'euthanizing'. When we kill them it is murder.

[Mercifull]

I don't know about you, but I'd take Meet Your Meat with a grain of salt seeing who it's coming from....

 

 

 

Penn & Teller reported (in their programme Bullsh*t) that in 2002 PETA were buying large meat freezers to store all the animals they had put down - more than one third of what they 'rescued'.

 

 

 

When they kill them it is 'putting them down' or 'euthanizing'. When we kill them it is murder.

 

Ok i was slightly exaggerating with the 95% claim i made, i coudlnt find the data i was looking for but I have now. http://www.woo-yay.net/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf for those clever at maths will be able to notice that PETA killed just over 90% of thair animals last year. =D>

 

 

 

I want to apologise to PETA for overstating by 5% :roll:

[jak722]

I don't know about you, but I'd take Meet Your Meat with a grain of salt seeing who it's coming from....

 

 

 

Penn & Teller reported (in their programme Bullsh*t) that in 2002 PETA were buying large meat freezers to store all the animals they had put down - more than one third of what they 'rescued'.

 

 

 

When they kill them it is 'putting them down' or 'euthanizing'. When we kill them it is murder.

 

Ok i was slightly exaggerating with the 95% claim i made, i coudlnt find the data i was looking for but I have now. http://www.woo-yay.net/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf for those clever at maths will be able to notice that PETA killed just over 90% of thair animals last year. =D>

 

 

 

I want to apologise to PETA for overstating by 5% :roll:

 

 

 

Now that, I haven't heard of before. :-X

[knives669]

I don't support "eco-terrorism". I don't think it's right to dump a bucket of blood on anyone.

 

 

 

I would be perfectly fine with people keeping these animals in captivity and slaughtering them if they were going to a good purpose. But, to make coats? I live in Arkansas. There is a cotton field across from my house, and a farm down the road in which they sheer sheep for these purposes. I support cows being slaughtered, because their meat is being used to feed people. In my opinion, it is wrong to kill an innocent animal for vanity or sport.

 

 

 

Humans do not come before animals. Humans are animals as well. Sure, there are differences between humans and the rest of the animal world, but we are still considered animals.

 

 

 

I'm just simply stating my opinion. This isn't something I would be willing to argue about.

[Militaris]

You have obviously never seen "Meet your Meat." Cows have all of thier skin ripped off violently by a machine before they are slaughtered. It's turned into leather.

 

 

 

I have no idea which 3rd world country that "meet your meat' was filmed in but that is certainly not the case in most meat works. The animals go up a ramp into a small room where they are separated from the herd, there they are stunned by a electrical pulse before quickly having its neck slit. The carcass then goes down the meat processing line.

 

 

 

In same cases they use a 'gun' like device which fires a shaft into the animals brain. In both cases they are not skinned while alive. Although they are skinned quite quickly after being killed.

[Mercifull]

I just looked into Meet your Meat because i'd never heard of it and suprise suprise it was made by PETA. Always take what they say with a pinch of salt