The whip? A flawed weapon?

[Tri_Cloud]

So, what is the best weapon in RuneScape?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course, the answer to that is obvious. The Abyssal whip - a weapon that is as fast as a dagger, and nearly as strong as a Dragon battleaxe. However, there is a flaw to it. Its attack bonus and styles consist of only slash, lacking crush and stab. The whip is strong nonetheless and is used by many 'Scapers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what if Jagex release weapons that could rival the Abyssal whip, specializing in crush or stab bonuses and posesses the same speed as the whip? Will people still praise the whip as the 'best' weapon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The most unique weapon in RuneScape is probably the Guthans spear, as it consists of all three equal bonuses and allows you to adjust the styles accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perhaps it has something to do with melee > ranged. Dragon hides' defence weakest bonus being slash. But then again, why does dragon hides' weakness have to be slash? Why not stab? Crush?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who knows.. perhaps they're hints that some day there will be weapons that can rival the whip or maybe I'm just over-analyzing. Until then, 'Scapers will have to stick to their good ol' slashing sausages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Opinions? Thoughts? Comments?

[Stilev]

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

[tyrant_iv]

i am the proud owner of "the best weapon in the game" if you can call it that... but i dont really think anyone could say there was one best weapon in the game, not everyone uses their weapon in the same way for the same reason against the same enemy, i havnt tried any barrows stuff but i'm sure if you can afford to keep repairing it then it would be the best, well some of it anyway... the whip would probably be the best melee weapon besides a barrows one with it's full set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the only real problem is that you cant train strength directly, but you can just put it in attack or defence at pc and then use points on strength anyway..and the whip gets me 3 times the veal at pc than my d scimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in other words ... :twisted: :twisted: !!!!!WHIP OWNAGE FTW!!!!! :twisted: :twisted:

[Paranorma1]

That is why there is a wide arrary of weapons

 

 

 

One for different scenario

 

 

 

Kind of overpowered if one weapon could do all

[tyrant_iv]

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah true but how often would you use it anyway? i wouldnt get a weaker, slower weapon just becuase he special was a bit better. and if you take into account that the whip only drains 50% , and that the d scimmy drains 55%, meaning you still have to wait i dunno how many minutes just to use it again even though you really only need another 5%, for whats a pretty pointless special anyway, then the whip has a pretty good special. the whip is faster than the scimmy aswell and it doesnt matter what you think about it's special, the whip still owns.

[Tri_Cloud]

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

[drgnslyer_15]

crush and stab really don't seem possibly with the whip. As for the str training option i am so damn happy that it doesn't have one.. don't wanna go messin up my fav weapon with a silly str option now...

[tyrant_iv]

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

[Tri_Cloud]

 

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm saying what if they are wearing the standard Rune armor, being Rune platebody.

[drgnslyer_15]

the whip was specifically designed for quick "slashing" attacks hence why it only has slash atk options.

[Phisher]

It wouldn't happen, stab weapons are weak but fast, and crush weapons are strong but slow. To create one or the other at the same effectiveness would render daggers and Battleaxes useless.

[tyrant_iv]

 

 

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm saying what if they are wearing the standard Rune armor, being Rune platebody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then you would go for the d halberd or b axe if you didnt care about it bieng slow, but the whip is literrally like 4 times faster so with 4 times the hits at just below the damage, you can see how the whip owns

[aj926]

It wouldn't happen, stab weapons are weak but fast, and crush weapons are strong but slow. To create one or the other at the same effectiveness would render daggers and Battleaxes useless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you agree that crush should have more than a little boost?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like, Baxes and mauls... and even DDs... are useless compared to a whip when fighting against a full runer. And The rune plate is designed to take the most from slash attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why shouldn't there be a Dragon Scythe or an Abbyssal Maul to counteract the best slashing weapon? "Oh noes dey nerfed the Wip!?12. NOS!"... That's just dumb. I mean, I don't see the whip ever falling below 1M, and that is a substantial price difference than the nearest 100k equal weapon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind losing 100K to have an Abbyssal Maul released.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm saying what if they are wearing the standard Rune armor, being Rune platebody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then you would go for the d halberd or b axe if you didnt care about it bieng slow, but the whip is literrally like 4 times faster so with 4 times the hits at just below the damage, you can see how the whip owns

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, but that's not what he was saying at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the whip does own. Why not make a maul that doesn't stink up the entire wilderness when used? Why not make a spear that actually is used for stabbing people? Why not make a dagger that doesn't rely on its special bar to be special?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's not taling about the whip. He's talking about the possibilities of other "whip-like" items for stab and crush.

[Tri_Cloud]

 

 

 

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm saying what if they are wearing the standard Rune armor, being Rune platebody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then you would go for the d halberd or b axe if you didnt care about it bieng slow, but the whip is literrally like 4 times faster so with 4 times the hits at just below the damage, you can see how the whip owns

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't being specific enough with my scenario and forgot the mention that their weapons are at the same speed.

[mojo477]

i dont really think about plate armor being weak against crush since the def bonus for crush is like only 10 points lower maybe 20 but im sure it matters on monsters when i went on kbd trip with sodb (im a lvl 87 and my stats aint the highest) i used my d scimmy since i cant afford to lose whip well since i cant really see what im hitting with like 15 people there i check how much exp im getting i was getting none so i wasnt hitting well later on someone droped a mith axe and i used it on crush i i was hitting a bit more then dragon scimmy

[ssxisfun1]

i do suppose you have a very good point but what if they adjust the whip after a rival overcomes the glory of "the best weapon in the game" title. but very good observations. =D> \

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes i do have a whip 8-)

[tyrant_iv]

OK, but that's not what he was saying at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the whip does own. Why not make a maul that doesn't stink up the entire wilderness when used? Why not make a spear that actually is used for stabbing people? Why not make a dagger that doesn't rely on its special bar to be special?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's not taling about the whip. He's talking about the possibilities of other "whip-like" items for stab and crush.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you mean to say, he is asking why don't they make a weapon thats really good and specialises in stabbing/crushing, as the whip does in slashing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well then, thats a brilliant idea, abbysal axe/mual or whatever and abbysal spear/dagger all the way!

[Shinn]

I suppose they should really add new weapons that are Abyssal Powered but with different capabilities.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean it could lead to an entire set of Abyssal Equipment. It would likely be a few Abyssal Armour items, but quite a few Abyssal Weapons. Each is the opposite of the other. So like we have the Abyssal Whip which cant train Strength or Crush or cut. Well then the next Abyssal Weapon would be able to train strength and do one or the either or maybe both.

[Trojann2]

Perhaps it has something to do with melee > ranged. Dragon hides' defence weakest bonus being slash. But then again, why does dragon hides' weakness have to be slash? Why not stab? Crush?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly dude, Think about this IRL terms. Somthing that is just a Hardened Hide of an animal, You can puncture it, and Slash it, but Hit something with a blunt end, You will most likely break bones, But you won't puncture, why? Because it will bend, and Give way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just like that, It will have the LEAST slash bonus, because, Obviously, because it's softer, You will be able to cut it with a knife. Pretty much just like, A rune Plate vs Rune Chain. Chain, being links of chain, can take more hits from a Crushing weapon, because it "molds" around the blow, where A plate will just bend, and stay conformed to that shape Permanenty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If that makes sense?

[Freshwacka]

Just think of in real life Stabbing with a knife, slashing with a knife, and crushing with a hammer

[mrpez]

I looooooove the whip. I can hit up to 30s on it! Best weapon in Runescape bar-none.

[Mr_Hyde1218]

on the contrary, the existence of the whip in the game of RuneScape is probably the best thing that has happened, and dare i say, ever will happen, to the Melee portion of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

think about it. strength is the strongest motivation to train for melee since it basically wins battles. the whip is one of very few weapons that doesn't allow you to train strength.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now, what if you could train strength? what would be so bad about being able to train everything with the whip?

 

 

 

theres the answer. its all about balance. if you could train all the styles of melee, every weapon would be obsolete, making the whip truly "the best weapon" in RuneScape.

 

 

 

we should be glad that JaGEx has not yet released the fabled off-balancing weapon, for this would surely mean a general collapse in both the weapons economy and the variety of combat (melee) as we know it.

[Tri_Cloud]

on the contrary, the existence of the whip in the game of RuneScape is probably the best thing that has happened, and dare i say, ever will happen, to the Melee portion of the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

think about it. strength is the strongest motivation to train for melee since it basically wins battles. the whip is one of very few weapons that doesn't allow you to train strength.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now, what if you could train strength? what would be so bad about being able to train everything with the whip?

 

 

 

theres the answer. its all about balance. if you could train all the styles of melee, every weapon would be obsolete, making the whip truly "the best weapon" in RuneScape.

 

 

 

we should be glad that JaGEx has not yet released the fabled off-balancing weapon, for this would surely mean a general collapse in both the weapons economy and the variety of combat (melee) as we know it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not talking about its lack of the aggressive style to train strength. I'm talking about its lack of stab and crush bonuses. The new 'whip-like' stab and crush weapon(s) doesn't necessarily have to train strength, if there is even going to be any.

[buffrichie]

ur definatley over-analyzing

[Kashi]

A Ninetails is a whip with nine thin flails instead of one, and has rocks or other hard obects

 

 

 

woven into the leather.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you've ever used a whip in real life, you realize that speed really is the big advantage

 

 

 

over other weapons. If you can get room to swing it, you can hit beat someone with a

 

 

 

whip faster than you can with your hands, because it doesn't take as large of a movement.

 

 

 

But I digress ..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I suggested a while back Dragon or Runite whips, as in whips with blocks of metal tied into

 

 

 

them. That'd be a good crushing weapon. =P~