The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[Lord_Firer]

When i go to my auntys, i always go on runescape there on dialup. Runescape is designed so that it can rune simply in an internet web page.

[NJE03]

When I think of updates I think of monsters, skills, items and quests. I do not think F2P needs any updates such as these as they are something reserved for paying members.

 

 

 

But then there are some things which I feel F2P should have access to, the two main things that come to mind are bank space and skill capes. Will we ever either of these? Probably not but even if they were released I hardly think this would affect peoples choice to become a member or not. If someone wants access to all of the various advantages to members guarantee that them having a few more bank spaces in non-members would not change their mind.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

When I think of updates I think of monsters, skills, items and quests. I do not think F2P needs any updates such as these as they are something reserved for paying members.

 

 

 

But then there are some things which I feel F2P should have access to, the two main things that come to mind are bank space and skill capes. Will we ever either of these? Probably not but even if they were released I hardly think this would affect peoples choice to become a member or not. If someone wants access to all of the various advantages to members guarantee that them having a few more bank spaces in non-members would not change their mind.

I agree with the exception of magic robes. The ones we have right now, lets face it, are poor... If we got those, a few bank spaces and skill capes, I would be set for life.

[Toxicologist]

I do not believe F2P deserve updates, although it certainly needs them in some cases. The Combat Triangle does not really work as it should, as F2P Magic is weak (maximum damage 16...), with no decent binding spells (Bind is next to useless, because casting magic is slow and you only get about an extra shot in before your opponent starts running again). Without good binding spells, a F2P Mage's advantage against Warriors is minimal, considering Warriors could simply take off their armour or slap on some Dragonhide if they fight a Mage. Perhaps the spell "Snare"...

 

 

 

But that is simply dreaming. In truth, I think the analogy on the restaurant is too good. F2P do not deserve updates.

[Ginger_Warrior]

As Jake said before, the attitude that somehow F2Pers are a part of the community, so deserve all the updates that they demand is just wrong, for two reasons:

 

 

 

1) None of us 'deserve' any updates, all updates are a gift from Jagex, albeit they have their own reasons for doing so.

 

2) F2Pers aren't an active part of the RS community, therefore, don't deserve updates.

 

 

 

Point 1) is fairly self-explanatory, so I won't expand on that.

 

 

 

Some people may get a bit funny about 2), but I'm prepared to argue with them because as far as I'm concerned, F2Pers should not be regarded as a group that contributes to the RS community. F2Pers quintessentially play the game for free, and this means that they themselves don't give any money to halp Jagex with the future development of the game. You can say "What about the Ads?". The ads only just barely cover the cost for F2P - they're not a real source of income for Jagex. Therefore, since F2Pers don't give any money to Jagex, they can't be regarded as being a part of the RS community. The point I'm making is that if you're not prepared to contribute anything to the further development of RS by paying money to Jagex, then you don't 'deserve' anything from Jagex.

 

 

 

Another arguments I've seen from F2Pers is that they are a part of the fanbase, so deserve some recognition. I agree with the fact they are a part of RS's fanbase, but not that they deserve anything. For the reasons stated in the previous paragraph, F2Pers are not a vital part of the RS community, so therefore, don't deserve anywhere near as much recognition from Jagex as the paying members do.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

F2Pers are not a vital part of the RS community, so therefore, don't deserve anywhere near as much recognition from Jagex as the paying members do.

Just a quick clarification, if you don't mind. Are you saying if Jagex completely wiped out F2P the game would still live on? Or am I reading this wrong?

[Ginger_Warrior]

F2Pers are not a vital part of the RS community, so therefore, don't deserve anywhere near as much recognition from Jagex as the paying members do.

Just a quick clarification, if you don't mind. Are you saying if Jagex completely wiped out F2P the game would still live on? Or am I reading this wrong?

 

 

 

Well, yes, F2P is vital. I don't think there's much doubt RS would carry on through word-of-mouth without F2P, so in that sense, no, F2P is not vital to RS. However, F2P provides a kind of free trial before commiting yourself to membership. If that wasn't there, some would-be players would be turned away, unwilling to make that commitment.

 

 

 

However, in answer to your question, I was more making a point about the players on F2P worlds, not F2P in itself. F2P itself is needed and does help RS by attracting people to membership, however the F2P players that train F2P skills exclusively aren't vital and don't deserve much recognition from Jagex, on the grounds they don't pay anything to play, so therefore don't contribute anything to the game's development.

 

 

 

Does that clarify? I know you said quick, but there wasn't really a quick answer.

[Lord_Firer]

If I have said it once I have said it thousands of times. The only people that go straight into P2P are people that have more money than brains.

 

 

 

Well, yes, F2P is vital. I don't think there's much doubt RS would carry on through word-of-mouth without F2P, so in that sense, no, F2P is not vital to RS.

 

 

 

^^You have made a complete contradiction to what you said in the first sentance.

 

 

 

And, no way would word of mouth make Runescape grow. the only way Runescape could grow as it does today, is to put some advertising aroudn the world. But even then...

[Jake_Corsair]

F2Pers are not a vital part of the RS community, so therefore, don't deserve anywhere near as much recognition from Jagex as the paying members do.

Just a quick clarification, if you don't mind. Are you saying if Jagex completely wiped out F2P the game would still live on? Or am I reading this wrong?

 

 

 

Actually, I'm not so sure it wouldn't keep going. It might go through a major decline but might bounce back. Jagex would have to completly redo how they market the game (advertising, etc).

 

 

 

 

 

Look at all the other MMORPG's that don't have a free version, and they continue just fine. Mining Essence, one of the major ways f2p used to contribute to p2p. With the introduction of pure essence, it's obvious that members will do for themselves, if they have too.

 

 

 

And as with Ginger_Warrior, what I meant about F2P and community, wasn't the actual in game type. But more along the lines of actual customers/consumers.

[Ginger_Warrior]

If I have said it once I have said it thousands of times. The only people that go straight into P2P are people that have more money than brains.

 

 

 

And if you'd have bothered to quote the second part of that paragraph, you'd actually notice I'm agreeing with that very point - that the free version of RS is needed for people to get a feel if they like the game, so F2P is vital, which is what the first sentance said, so I haven't contradicted myself anywhere. What you quoted was me being discursive, and suggesting a case that could be used to argue the opposite.

 

 

 

As for Jake, well I'd agree with you along those lines as well. At the end of the day, I can't go into a shop as a customer and start demanding things, when I haven't actually shown any intent on buying anything inside the shop in the first place. If I had experience with the shop, maybe if I was has some kind of membership with them, then perhaps I'd be in a much more suitable position to start asking for things. Until such a point, I'm not in any position to start to even ask for change, let alone demand it, and I don't see why RS is an exception to this.

[Cabbage_Boii]

Well ive played runescape for about 7 years now and ive only been a member for about 1 year, when i was f2p i would have strongly said heck yes we need MORE now im a member and i kinda think well we definetly get what we pay for...but yes i still think for all the ''f2pers'' they do need SOMETHING maybe not a ''new'' update but give them sumthing that us members alredy have, maybe make their beautiful rune scims poisoned or sumthing give em sharks cause it will be new to them so 1 more thing for them to get.Members get 1 thing a week so jagex probly works pretty hard to get this done...but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers,if u do well you must be a pretty greedy guy : mind u jagex might be doing this to get more money cause they are convincing f2pers to pay for membs since the f2pers want updates :-k

 

 

 

 

 

[unkn0wnwarrior]

but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers

I don't feel like typing it out again, so here it is, my response to the last person to say that:

 

 

 

2 reasons I disagree:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

[jimm]

but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers

I don't feel like typing it out again, so here it is, my response to the last person to say that:

 

 

 

2 reasons I disagree:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

 

if once a month is too much y not every 6 months :?:

[unkn0wnwarrior]

but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers

I don't feel like typing it out again, so here it is, my response to the last person to say that:

 

 

 

2 reasons I disagree:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

 

if once a month is too much y not every 6 months :?:

Once every 6 months or so would be great. Many members would still hate the idea, but it is more realistic.

[Unleasher10]

Don't you think that if Jagex were really just making RS for the money they would just eliminate F2P altogether?

 

They would get more money from more F2Pers subscribing to members so their accounts wouldn't get deleted, plus they'd save massive server space and most macroing and scamming would be destroyed.

 

 

 

I'm F2P and I really don't think we deserve any updates, except for holiday events and skill capes, because somehow it just seems ethically wrong to give a skill cape to some rich guy who bought RS money for RL money to get a skill up and buy a skill cape, but not to an honest F2Per who spent way more time than any member to get their skill up.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Don't you think that if Jagex were really just making RS for the money they would just eliminate F2P altogether?

 

They would get more money from more F2Pers subscribing to members so their accounts wouldn't get deleted, plus they'd save massive server space and most macroing and scamming would be destroyed.

Eliminating F2P completely could prove the opposite. Instead of giving them more money, it could decrease the amount, because they would need to advertise their game which costs money, or fewer people would play. And even with the advertising, nothing is saying they would be making a profit anymore. And also, most F2Pers don't pay for a reason, that is, they don't have the money or they have better stuff to spend it on, so they would not buy members just to keep their account alive, since they would no longer be playing.

[jimm]

but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers

I don't feel like typing it out again, so here it is, my response to the last person to say that:

 

 

 

2 reasons I disagree:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

 

if once a month is too much y not every 6 months :?:

Once every 6 months or so would be great. Many members would still hate the idea, but it is more realistic.

 

really dpends on the type of person the member is. some members probably wouldnt care and others probably just h8 f2p altogether lol

[unkn0wnwarrior]

but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers

I don't feel like typing it out again, so here it is, my response to the last person to say that:

 

 

 

2 reasons I disagree:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

 

if once a month is too much y not every 6 months :?:

Once every 6 months or so would be great. Many members would still hate the idea, but it is more realistic.

 

really dpends on the type of person the member is. some members probably wouldnt care and others probably just h8 f2p altogether lol

Which is precisely what I am saying. Not all members will hate Jagex if they lose a week of updates once in a while, but then again, many will. Frankly, I have many members as friends, and every one of them says F2P should get some updates...

[HardyZ003]

more bank space??? but even thats to much for JaGeX

 

 

 

I think your better of working for real money to pay for membership - sell chocoltes, cut lawn. theres millions of ways to make $5 a month..

[unkn0wnwarrior]

more bank space??? but even thats to much for JaGeX

 

 

 

I think your better of working for real money to pay for membership - sell chocoltes, cut lawn. theres millions of ways to make $5 a month..

Some of us need any money we can get to pay for other things. Making $5 isn't always the problem. Making the $5 plus paying all the bills, paying rent, buying groceries, etc. can be a problem.

[jimm]

more bank space??? but even thats to much for JaGeX

 

 

 

I think your better of working for real money to pay for membership - sell chocoltes, cut lawn. theres millions of ways to make $5 a month..

 

anyways some of us come from other countries and $5 is pretty much like $9 and personally i could spend that in less than a week on food coz of my appetite lol

[jimm]

f2p also need at least one really strong monster to fight around the lvl 120

[verbumheros]

I'm f2p so yeah, no duh, i'm biased. But f2p updates are updates for the p2p players. sure that doesnt mean slayer/hunter/etc skills arent updated but isn't a new quest for f2p a new quest everyone will see benefits from, and a new f2p skill/weapon/armor/etc a skill ever.. you get the idea.

 

 

 

the only reason i could see p2p would be against it (aside from those that just lo~ove to farm) would be that they like feeling like they're getting there moneys worth.

[King_Peter18]

f2p also need at least one really strong monster to fight around the lvl 120

 

 

 

The stronghold of security is good enough.

 

 

 

I don't think there should be new quests for f2p, besides, they would be exactly like the others. Why should I pay if f2p gets updated every once in a while anyway? (Hypotheticaly speaking.)

[wildpownege]

wildpownege i like your sig better than mine, im gonna go get one lol.

hey anglefire, thanks, your sig looks good. havent been on in forever. but i see this topic has become huge lol.