9/11 Commision LIES

[Doughnut]

So lets say all of this is true, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Go to the local news and give them you're "evidence"? Blackmail congress, president, and all political people?

 

 

 

Disagreeing with you does not make someone stupid, it makes them more open minded.

[pault]

Disagreeing with you does not make someone stupid, it makes them more open minded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you think I've put so much time and effort into trying to convince people that the government is lying to them? Open minds are what we need more of these days. As long as you've learned some things and are better prepared for the day the truth comes out, that's a good thing. The fact that nobody has brought up real evidence against the facts I have presented which incriminate the federal government, however, speaks to the truth of my position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So lets say all of this is true, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Go to the local news and give them you're "evidence"? Blackmail congress, president, and all political people?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Work to convince people that the government lied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go to 9/11 truth rallies to show my support for the movement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Write to my senator, and representatives at all levels of the government.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Support petitions and legislation for 9/11 truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And maybe, just maybe, if I get frustrated enough, I'll burn myself to death in front of the White House.

[Keep_It_Real]

Honestly, I don't support Bush, but I really don't think that he would do this just to make a few bucks. Honestly it IS like a few bucks for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND why would Osma Bin Laden say "I did this" if he didn't. Last time I checked, he hated america. I think he would want to show how correpute the goverment was.

[pault]

Honestly, I don't support Bush, but I really don't think that he would do this just to make a few bucks. Honestly it IS like a few bucks for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

AND why would Osma Bin Laden say "I did this" if he didn't. Last time I checked, he hated america. I think he would want to show how correpute the goverment was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin LadenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Most Wanted web page, [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅThe reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin LadenÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[monkeypie10]

Pault, you should see this video. All about what you've been talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=loose+change

[pault]

Pault, you should see this video. All about what you've been talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=loose+change

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The first one wasn't very good, I'm surprised by how much detail was in the new one I just watched.

[monkeypie10]

Yeah, there is a lot more detail in the second one. Pretty scary, if this is true, what the government does for money. If you've seen Farenhiet 9/11, I remember something about Bush owning a company that somehow profits from 9/11 - well, they made lots of money. But hey, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE! #-o

[pault]

But hey, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. I recommend people actually read the 9/11 Commission Report themselves. Its narrative shows either criminal incompetence in the government, FAA, military, and NORAD, or a conscious failure to act. Those looking for a detailed criticism of the most gaping holes in the report may look to the excellent book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" by David Griffin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We need a new investigation, now.

[Viktorkrum77]

I'm going to add this ti this thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These photos (unreleased to the public for quite some time) are from the World Trade Center Damage Assessment and such, and are some of the most empowering photos I personally have ever seen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am sure there are also more pictures throughout the website.

[Evilperson]

 

If you ignore them, they'll go away. Just like everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "Terrorists" were never the real problem. All war is terrible, and in war every side uses tactics that are unsavory. The US firebombing of dresden in WW2, the use of nukes on Japan, and the US providing Israel with cluster bombs which they use with impunity, are examples of acts of "Terrorism" by the US.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Common Sense - Research = Failure

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right I agree. The (US) government always finds ways to go to war while we are being the victim. Its called having your cake AND eating it. <-----south park. Anyways. . . .what exactly do you think you can do about it? Nothing will change. All hope of fixing any government is lost.

 

 

 

[Not]

I applaud you for making a thread on this =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe the government planned the attacks that occured on 9/11.

[Binyam]

Christopher Columbus: "Sir, the world is round!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man: "You are lying!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

CC: "No! I tell you it is a fact!! I have been to the east indies by traveling west!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man "No, I tell you, you are lying!! I read a book that the world is flat, so it must be true because I want to believe it is true and I dont like Italians that sail for Spain!! You are lying sir and I have EXPOSED YOUR LIES!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

[Doughnut]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons :-w

[pault]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons :-w

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This has already been posted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I have already responded.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Way to contribute to the thread, or bother reading past pages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In relevant news:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?sto ... 2125003697

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But with Bush's popularity at a record low, a Zogby poll shows that over 40 percent of Americans now think there has been a "coverup" around 9/11. A more recent poll conducted at the Scripps-Howard/University of Ohio found more than a third of those asked said it was likely that "people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, it's probably no surprise that the propaganda mills of the State Department have recently been cranking out attack websites, targeting 9/11 skepticism. And it's not a shocker that the normal channels of media have followed suit (Time, New York Times, etc.) What's weird is how similar the attacks sound in the hallowed halls of "respectable" left political opinion. A recent column on AlterNet by the Progressive's Matthew Rothschild matched the recent bromides of Counterpunch's Alexander Cockburn. In both pieces, the way 9/11 has been questioned was attacked, with no alternatives suggested. Instead, questioning 9/11 at all was belittled with sweeping generalizations.

[Doughnut]

What was your response? I've read 5 pages of flames and conspiracies and am not reading any more crap.

[pault]

Maddox raises a good point, that if somebody actually uncovered the truth the government would shut them up, but all that means is that nobody has figured out what really happened on 9/11 yet. The government isn't really bothered by people exposing their lies, as long as nobody figures out what really happened. People expect the government to lie, and many assume they are just covering their incompetent response to the attacks. It's up to us, the citizens of the United States, to demand a complete and accurate investigation of the attacks.

 

 

 

[Doughnut]

Maddox raises a good point, that if somebody actually uncovered the truth the government would shut them up, but all that means is that nobody has figured out what really happened on 9/11 yet.

Or... it could mean that what the government was saying was true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The government isn't really bothered by people exposing their lies, as long as nobody figures out what really happened.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not everything has too be the governments fault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People expect the government to lie, and many assume they are just covering their incompetent response to the attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I for one don't expect everything the government says to be a lie. Who are many? Once again you're wording your sentances like all of America backs you up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's up to us, the citizens of the United States, to demand a complete and accurate investigation of the attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whose to say that the report they gave is not accurate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now lets say that the government did plan this attack, wouldn't that mean there are no terrorists and that the bombing of London and Spain were also planned by the government?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also the name of this thread should be My opinion on 9/11.

[pault]

Or... it could mean that what the government was saying was true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the 9/11 Commission had addressed key questions, such as why the pentagons air defense system failed completely, why WTC7 fell, who was behind the massive insider trading that went on before 9/11, why the terrorists did not crash one of the hijacked planes into a nuclear power plant instead of the wing of the pentagon that was under construction (which took an amazing midair maneuver to hit, done by a pilot that supposedly failed out of flight school), why some of the hijackers are still alive, etc. (See first post of this thread) then maybe the lack of government crackdown could mean that....But it doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not everything has too be the governments fault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but plenty of examples are available of the US government lying to get public approval of a war. Remember the Maine?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I for one don't expect everything the government says to be a lie. Who are many? Once again you're wording your sentances like all of America backs you up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

70 Million Americans think it's time for a new investigation, and if you ask any reasonably educated human being if governments routinely lie to their people, you will get a resounding yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whose to say that the report they gave is not accurate?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, 70 million Americans. The first post in this thread shows some of some of the worst lies and/or lack of investigation in the report.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now lets say that the government did plan this attack, wouldn't that mean there are no terrorists and that the bombing of London and Spain were also planned by the government?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't follow your logic. Besides, the government may have been complicit in the attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also the name of this thread should be My opinion on 9/11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No.

[Notorious_Ice]

I recently watched fahrenheit 9/11 by Micheal Moore and it raises some really good points about bush, 9/11 and the Iraq war. If anyone is interested in 9/11 and hasn't seen it already its worth watching. I believe there is also a book.

[pault]

I believe there is also a book.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.amazon.com/Official-Fahrenhe ... F8&s=books

[BlueLancer]

I have no idea if the government lied, probably not. Still, you (anybody) are an epitome of ignorance if you think a lot of people didn't know about the terrorist attack before it happened. Just the financial proof and stock trading a few days prior to the attacks is overwhelming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does that group of "insiders" include the whole US government or the president? Not very likely. Some government officials? Yeah, probably. What's so new about politicians taking advantage of horrible situations, death, and war?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why don't you go and read the history of politics and then honestly think again, does democracy all of a sudden make 'angel politicians' who are never corrupt? Would you be corrupt if you could REALLY earn tens of millions of dollars?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A lot of people answer, in a hypothetical situation, "no, I'd value those lives more". If they were REALLY put in that situation, an amount of money that guarantees you a spot in the >0.01% of the world's wealthiest and powerful humans, would they stick up to their morals?

[pault]

I have no idea if the government lied, probably not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main lie being pushed by the US government is that the 9/11 Commission Report is an authoritive and complete documentation of the attacks on our country on September eleventh. If you believe the official story I have only one question for you, why did WTC7 fall?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why don't you go and read the history of politics and then honestly think again, does democracy all of a sudden make 'angel politicians' who are never corrupt? Would you be corrupt if you could REALLY earn tens of millions of dollars?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, the profit involved in the put options placed before 9/11 is more like tens of billions of dollars.

[Mercifull]

Actually, the profit involved in the put options placed before 9/11 is more like tens of billions of dollars.

Can you provide a source for your claim?

[Satenza]

WTC7 fell because apparently the fires where too big to stop, and to prevent it spreading you demolished it. However the demolitions couldn't have been set up in time and so where there beforehand for an unknown reason. Apparently Silverstein invested lots in terrorist insurance (but who wouldn't?) and there could be some sort of consipracy down that line, although people like firefighters and the people who rigged the bombs would know about it. Apparently a few weeks earlier they had an evacuation of the building for security reasons and there was unsual drilling sounds in the WTC towers a including WTC7. WTC7 profited Silverstein by 500 Million aswell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe they thought it would be better to pull it down rather than having the possibility that it would eventually come down injuring firefighters later in the day while they try and save lives. Maybe it came down alone due too the structure being too weak to cope with one of the biggest buildings in the world collapsing a block away which is something no-one would like to admit.

[Astralinre]

True, but plenty of examples are available of the US government lying to get public approval of a war. Remember the Maine?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to [bleep] with Spain? :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I agree that the people ought to hold government accountable to the truth, the blame for the Maine lies with the yellow press - men like William Randolf Heart, who created sensationalist news that stirred up war fever in order to sell more papers. With the press working the people into such a frenzy, McKinley, who believed in the sovereignty of the people, could hardly not go to war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it's not always the government's fault; the media can be just as deceitful for its own purposes.