pault Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 WTC7 fell because apparently the fires where too big to stop, and to prevent it spreading you demolished it. However the demolitions couldn't have been set up in time and so where there beforehand for an unknown reason. So why did the 9/11 commission not investigate this? Why wasn't Silverstein subpoenaed? LIES While I agree that the people ought to hold government accountable to the truth, the blame for the Maine lies with the yellow press - men like William Randolf Heart, who created sensationalist news that stirred up war fever in order to sell more papers. With the press working the people into such a frenzy, McKinley, who believed in the sovereignty of the people, could hardly not go to war. Randolph Hearst was definitely working in the interest of the US government, as well as for his own purposes. Just as Fox, CNN, and all major news networks are working in the interest of the US government by not reporting on the lies contained in the 9/11 Commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 The real conspiracy is that all the people claiming the US Govt. had something to do with it are all selling books and DVDs :roll: :-k I suppose if people are gullible enough to buy and belive what they say then its their loss not mine. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 The real conspiracy is that all the people claiming the US Govt. had something to do with it are all selling books and DVDs Rolling Eyes Think I think if you read the 9/11 Commission Report, you will see the self-evident lies contained therein. Many of which I have already brought up. But feel free to dismiss the books and films I recommend without actually reading them, or watching them, or responding to any of the points they raise which I have painstakingly transcribed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I am bumping this because I have found info that will make you rethink how much you trust Zogby. If you follow the money for the site you'll find that the poll was paid for by 911truth.org. Conspiracy sites have dozens of links to these pulls, and even scripted constant voters. They also use very clever wording. And this might be interesting, did you know that only 28% of the people answering this poll knew the number of the third building that fell? Hmm, ignorance, I think so! If you study closely the collapse of building 7, you will notice that it doesn't fall in it's footprint, quite far to the southeast actually, and it wasn't symmetrical collapse either, like that of imploded buildings, and split from the falling east and west penthouses, but mostly the east. Also conspiracy websites hide the videos and pictures that show how truly bad the building was burning up inside. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 there was no conspiracy..get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 there was no conspiracy..get over it Think about it this way, the Pentagon is the headquarters of the most advanced military in the world, and they can't see a plane coming? According to the 9/11 Commission Report flight 77 was lost from the radar screens. Do you believe the FAA, NORAD, and the US military could allow this to happen? Either you must believe in the total and complete incompetence of the US military and the FAA and NORAD, or you believe a stand down order was given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icingdeath Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Wow, I didn't know starting a whole controversy would bring back everyone who died on 9/11. Wait...it won't. I say people just let it be. I really wouldn't call it an era. It was more of a definitive time period during which dinstinctive characteristics were expressed in similar ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 there was no conspiracy..get over it Think about it this way, the Pentagon is the headquarters of the most advanced military in the world, and they can't see a plane coming? According to the 9/11 Commission Report flight 77 was lost from the radar screens. Do you believe the FAA, NORAD, and the US military could allow this to happen? Either you must believe in the total and complete incompetence of the US military and the FAA and NORAD, or you believe a stand down order was given. You can't stop the plane. They saw it in Washington, but there's nothong you can do. If you can give me a way to bring down a very fast comercial plane descending to earth in a residential/commercial area using outside sources, than I'll say you're right. The 9/11 commission report is probably flawed, it leaves out a lot of detail, but this detail is known by associations like NIST, it's just not recorded in the commission report probably because it was uncovered after the report was released. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 Wow, I didn't know starting a whole controversy would bring back everyone who died on 9/11. Wait...it won't. I say people just let it be. Who started the controversy? Bush blocked an investigation into the attacks, and only allowed the creation of the 9/11 Commission after it was agreed that it shouldn't assign blame for the attacks. How could the FAA, NORAD, and the US military all have failed completely in their duties? What happened to radar? According to the 9/11 commission report planes were lost from radar for large periods of time, fighters were scrambled after "Phantom planes" and terrorists passed right over a nuclear power plant because they were afraid of the defence systems it might have. So the terrorists flew over a nuclear power plant, which if destroyed would have caused a disaster unfathomably more damaging to the United States than an attack on the pentagon? And the headquarters of the most powerful military in the world isn't protected from attacks from the sky? According to initial reports from [bleep] Cheney, no planes were scrambled untill after the pentagon was hit. Does the pentagon not have radar? MYERS: Mr. Chairman, the armed forces did not shoot down any aircraft. When it became clear what the threat was, we did scramble fighter aircraft, AWACS, radar aircraft and tanker aircraft to begin to establish orbits in case other aircraft showed up in the FAA system that were hijacked. But we never actually had to use force. LEVIN: Was that order that you just described given before or after the Pentagon was struck? Do you know? MYERS: That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after the Pentagon was struck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Vs7KNlpXU Yeah? It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. 1 In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. 2 There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble. Routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001. http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Bush blocked an investigation into the attacks Rubbish. NIST ran a full investigation of the entire complex including WTC 7 from the time the planes hit to the time they began to collapse. There's no point going beyond when they began to collapse because it becomes inevitable that they are going to collapse because of gravity and kinetic energy and weight. Now, NIST has the full story, so don't tell me there wasn't an investigation. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 24, 2007 Author Share Posted February 24, 2007 Rubbish. What? You're flat out wrong here, friend. http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature ... index.html The first was a bipartisan joint inquiry conducted by the House and Senate examining intelligence and law-enforcement failures that led up to the Sept. 11 attack. Its relatively narrow scope came about after Bush and Vice President [bleep] Cheney personally phoned then-Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., in late January 2002, pressuring him to limit the congressional investigation surrounding Sept. 11. ... Family advocates complain it was created virtually in spite of the White House; they point to the extraordinary game of hardball the administration practiced right on the eve of last year's midterm elections when it derailed a bipartisan congressional deal to form the commission, citing concerns with its potential scope and subpoena power. Consider this excerpt from the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001: "The last routine radio contact with the plane was at 8:50 a.m. A few minutes later the plane made an unauthorized turn. At 9:39 a.m., flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon's soutwest side." Obviously Bush wasn't quick enough in blocking congress. This quote clearly shows that the time between when the FAA knew the plane was hijacked and when it hit the pentagon was long enough for the plane to be intercepted by military aircraft, (if procedure had been followed). Bush tried to block the congressional inquiry, and only allowed a real investigation if it did not "Assign blame". Turns out the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, was Philip Zelikow, a former member of Bush's National Security Council. So the supposed "Independent" and "Bipartisan" investigation which took place after the pitiful congressional inquiry was neither independent nor bipartisian. Nor, those who read it will realize, was it complete. NIST ran a full investigation of the entire complex including WTC 7 from the time the planes hit to the time they began to collapse. There's no point going beyond when they began to collapse because it becomes inevitable that they are going to collapse because of gravity and kinetic energy and weight. Let's talk about the common sense issues there are with 9/11, which NIST did not investigate. Have you compared the clip of the 9/11 commission report I posted with General Myers statement? Have you ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, the Pentagon has some sort of radar system? Or some sort of protection against air attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 The BBC reported that World trade center building 7 had collapsed 23 minutes before it actually collapsed. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AshKaYu Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 there was no conspiracy..get over it Think about it this way, the Pentagon is the headquarters of the most advanced military in the world, and they can't see a plane coming? According to the 9/11 Commission Report flight 77 was lost from the radar screens. Do you believe the FAA, NORAD, and the US military could allow this to happen? Either you must believe in the total and complete incompetence of the US military and the FAA and NORAD, or you believe a stand down order was given. So, the government has no qualms killing thousands of people, right? So why would they risk their conspiracy getting out by letting you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magekillr Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 there was no conspiracy..get over it Think about it this way, the Pentagon is the headquarters of the most advanced military in the world, and they can't see a plane coming? According to the 9/11 Commission Report flight 77 was lost from the radar screens. Do you believe the FAA, NORAD, and the US military could allow this to happen? Either you must believe in the total and complete incompetence of the US military and the FAA and NORAD, or you believe a stand down order was given. there are 2 nearby airports in washington...the reagan, and the dulles. it could have been seen as just a plane flying nearby...because i live 1 hour from DC and planes fly around all the time. who would have thought the airliner was going to be used as a missile (that specific plane) and as you say...the intelligence of the US is great. so i'm pretty sure ANY website dedicated to this conspiracy would be shut down in a matter of hours, if not minutes. i'm sure they'd let this whole thing be displayed all over the internet. there was no conspiracy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 The BBC reported that World trade center building 7 had collapsed 23 minutes before it actually collapsed. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49f_1172526096 Are you implying the BBC was in on it too, or what? Come on people. Lets get a little real here. Conspiracy theorists act like EVERYONE in the world knew about it but them. Truth is, if anyone knew this was going to happen, it was noone in the Bush administration, it was those in the government ABOVE the government, and essentially, those people do not exist, so there's noone to blame. Furthermore, noone BUT them would have known about it, and you'll never hear otherwise until some aging dude finally spills the beans because he felt guilty. By that time, noone will care. Edit: And I'lls econd what Ashkayu said. The guy who made "Loose Change" was allowed to live, for example, and he spoke out blaming the government entirely. If the government had no problem killing 3,000 people, they surely would have no problem killing him, and probably his family just for good measure and the trouble it caused them just to go find him. A building got raped. We took advantage of it by creating an adgenda around it. Were some people behind it in our government? No. Noone in our government could be trusted with that knowledge. It's kinda' like how George Bush, who holds the most powerful position in our government, can't get into places like Groom Lake Air Force Base (Area 51). He just can't go in there. If he rolled up in his SUV, they would shoot him on site, I gaurentee it. If anyone knew about it, it was people above our government, and at that point, who cares? There's noone to blame, then, is there? Because those people don't even exist to most people. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notorious_Ice Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Edit: And I'lls econd what Ashkayu said. The guy who made "Loose Change" was allowed to live, for example, and he spoke out blaming the government entirely. If the government had no problem killing 3,000 people, they surely would have no problem killing him, and probably his family just for good measure and the trouble it caused them just to go find him. Wouldn't you think that if somebody accused the government of causing 9/11, and then they, and their families just disapeared, that something was up? If not many people took loose change seriously, as soon as the authors die/disapear, (even if the government stages an accident) then of course more people would take it seriously. Because the government ignored it, people will think they do not care about it, because they have nothing to hide. Don't be afraid your life will end, be afraid it will never begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En_fuego Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 All you whackos do is sit behind a computer all day and look through these conspiracy websites, over and over and over again. Imagine what could be accomplished if you actually did something meaningful or something with purpose in your life. But no, you don't. (Unless you call this entertainment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Come on people. Lets get a little real here. Conspiracy theorists act like EVERYONE in the world knew about it but them. Truth is, if anyone knew this was going to happen, it was noone in the Bush administration, it was those in the government ABOVE the government, and essentially, those people do not exist, so there's noone to blame. Furthermore, noone BUT them would have known about it, and you'll never hear otherwise until some aging dude finally spills the beans because he felt guilty. By that time, noone will care. People beleive that a few people control the nations of the world, and banks have a massive influence on who gets elected. And why do you keep saying "noone"? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted May 9, 2007 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Firefox saved this page on the toolbar for God knows why, and I accidentally clicked it and "submit". Sorry about that. :x Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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