9/11 Commision LIES

[malo2]

Yet there was no damage on the lawn, no 757 parts found and some of the wreckage was found out to be from a military plane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why hasn't the video from the gas station been released? It could prove that a 747 did in fact hit the pentagon, the government just won't release it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush was an idiot to go into iraq. He didn't listen to Bush Sr and is now paying the price.

Are you an idiot? there were plane parts all over the place! engine pieces, human body parts, ect.. They collected over 500 human remains there and identified all of them (including the hijackers), all except one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Notorious_Ice]

And, BTW, they did find flight parts, including wreckage labeled with the flight name, and parts of the plane. And they have pictures to prove it, I didn't bother searching for them, but I'm sure a simple Google search would find them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did a simple google search and found this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.newsfollowup.com/flight77_17.htm

[BlueLancer]

Yeah.. The government lied about 9/11 to kill thousands of it's own tax paying citizens. Along with those people went millions of dollars in buildings and many important papers/documents.. Yes, the government did this. [/sarcasm]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Go be paranoid somewhere else :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying the government is involved, but sure as hell a lot of people gained hundreds of millions of dollars from the 9/11 events. It's not as black and white as you think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

American Airlines stock: $15.70

 

 

 

Sell off (strangely, the trading of the stock just a day before the terrorist attacks multiplied by over 1100% compared to the daily normal volume)

 

 

 

After terrorist attack: $6

 

 

 

Buy back after it climbs back to $10: You made a huge profit and you still own the stocks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Price of gold: +5% in a matter of minutes

 

 

 

Price of strategic government stocks: Sunk to all-time lows in a matter of hours

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, known as "selling short" a stock in the business world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is clear as day some people had information about the attacks, and none of the terrorists who planned it had anything to gain because they died themselves. Also, very few people in Al-Qaeda are rich (Osama is a multi-millionaire, the rest are probably of average wealth).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did the government allow it to happen? Definitely not. Did some government/high staff officials have information but decided not to leak it out and buy strategical stocks instead? There is no doubt.

[pault]

Did the government allow it to happen? Definitely not. Did some government/high staff officials have information but decided not to leak it out and buy strategical stocks instead? There is no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whoever knew enough to buy put options for companies that occupied large parts of the world trade center, and United and American Airlines, knew enough to prevent the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

[pault]

Note:Why double post? I made a new thread about American public opinion of 9/11, related but seperate of the issue of the 9/11 Commissions lies, and it was locked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zogby Poll: Over 70 Million American Adults Support New 9/11 Investigation

 

 

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... cleId=2502

 

 

 

Note: Zogby is widely known as the most reliable polling instution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...these results are both heartening and frankly quite amazing, given the mainstream media's ongoing refusal to cover the most critical questions of that day. Our August 2004 Zogby poll of New Yorkers showed nearly half believe certain U.S. officials 'consciously' allowed the attacks to happen and 66% want a fresh investigation, but these were people closest to the tragedy and most familiar with facts refuting the official account. This revelation that so many millions nationwide now also recognize a 9/11 cover up and the need for a new inquiry should be a wake up call for all 2006 political candidates hoping to turn this country around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The inability of the US television or print media to acknowledge the relevance of the 9/11 truth movements message is amazing. The 9/11 Commission Report did not answer the major questions about 9/11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you who wonder if the 9/11 truth movement should exist, whether it's claims of a massive government attempt to hide the truth are legit, read on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The collapse of the WTC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by Kevin Ryan

 

 

 

Underwriters Laboratories

 

 

 

Thursday, Nov 11, 2004

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dr. Gayle,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to contact you directly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is the airplane fuelÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæburning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says "Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support BrownÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s theory."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F (250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the situation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the buildingÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢m sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on disinformation and ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅchatterÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Viktorkrum77]

 

Did the government allow it to happen? Definitely not. Did some government/high staff officials have information but decided not to leak it out and buy strategical stocks instead? There is no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whoever knew enough to buy put options for companies that occupied large parts of the world trade center, and United and American Airlines, knew enough to prevent the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you believe that site? And not all major companies benefited from the WTC collapses. Marsh USA, AON, Morgan Stanley (practically owned the South Tower), and Salomon Smith Barney for example, did not benefit from the loss of many employees and many important files both in paper and on computers. And then there's all sorts of other files lost, can you imagine the scale of damage caused by that sort of loss? Everyone from bankers to brokers would be in trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, lots of info is duplicated elsewhere, but alot isn't at the same time.

[Mercifull]

Read all that conspiracy rubbish out aloud. Then you'll realise how absurd it all sounds

[pault]

 

 

 

And you believe that site?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, but I believe much of the evidence it presents. The conclusions I draw are my own.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Somebody had foreknowledge of 9/11

 

 

 

~Somebody made billions of dollars by investing in put options

 

 

 

~The 9/11 commission did not sufficiently investigate

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read all that conspiracy rubbish out aloud. Then you'll realise how absurd it all sounds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We need a new investigation. Is it rubbish to think that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media -were respondents aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% knew about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated);

[Viktorkrum77]

 

The collapse of WTC 7, which was not even mentioned by the 9/11 Commission and has seldom been reported in the media -were respondents aware of this collapse and, if so, did they think it should be investigated (only 52% knew about it, but over 70% of this group believe it should have been investigated);

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, regarding the media anyway, well duh. The collapse of 2 110 story buildings is going to kind of overshadow a 47 story building that collapsed hours later. Do you ever hear the media go, "oh, by the way, World Trade Center 6 collapsed, yep, the 9 story building at the foot of the twin towers." I think not.

[Mercifull]

What's the point in ANOTHER investigation. It still wont please anyone, its just the same as the Diana "conspiracy"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The new investigations cost millions and wasted months of police time and the end result was that it was an accident and there was no conspiracy. Everyone who didn't believe the conspiracy tripe was like "Told you". The conspiracy theorists however just say "We knew this would happen, if they could cover up the incident they can damn well cover up the investigation. CONSPIRACY".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Waste.. of... time!

[pault]

What's the point in ANOTHER investigation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To find the truth. If you can explain to me why WTC7 fell, then maybe I'll understand your point of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It still wont please anyone, its just the same as the Diana "conspiracy"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It won't please everyone, but when a large % of Americans want another investigation, it's the duty of our elected representatives to fulfill our expectations of truth in a democracy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The new investigations cost millions and wasted months of police time and the end result was that it was an accident and there was no conspiracy. Everyone who didn't believe the conspiracy tripe was like "Told you". The conspiracy theorists however just say "We knew this would happen, if they could cover up the incident they can damn well cover up the investigation. CONSPIRACY".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's simply not true. What investigation(s) after the 9/11 Commission are you reffering to? NIST's findings, as I have reported here, are few and mostly suspect. If you read their report on WTC7 and look at the damage to the building, then you will realize it is criminal for the government not to investigate its collapse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, regarding the media anyway, well duh. The collapse of 2 110 story buildings is going to kind of overshadow a 47 story building that collapsed hours later. Do you ever hear the media go, "oh, by the way, World Trade Center 6 collapsed, yep, the 9 story building at the foot of the twin towers." I think not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where is the news media on reporting about the millions of America who believe the government consciously failed to act on 9/11?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why wasn't that Zogby poll reported extensively throughout the news media?

[Viktorkrum77]

Where is the news media on reporting about the millions of America who believe the government consciously failed to act on 9/11?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why wasn't that Zogby poll reported extensively throughout the news media?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you seriously think half those people knew what they were talking about when they took that survey? It's just like the people who say, 'I hate Bush', but don't even know what they're even talking about. You over estimate the American public too much.

[Mercifull]

Who polled the respondents? How many were actually asked?

 

 

 

70% is a very high number considering only about half of that actually bother turning out to vote. I don't believe your statistics let alone your conspiracy theories.

[Viktorkrum77]

Who polled the respondents? How many were actually asked?

 

 

 

70% is a very high number considering only about half of that actually bother turning out to vote. I don't believe your statistics let alone your conspiracy theories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, who was asked? You're going to get different results from a different group of people. For example, if you asked a bunch of million/billion dollar companies if they liked Bush, what would you get as the majority of answers, 'yes'. But if you asked a bunch of minorities, than what are you going to get, 'no'.

[pault]

Do you seriously think half those people knew what they were talking about when they took that survey?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I assume if they didn't they would have said "Unsure"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Poll results indicate 42% believe there has indeed been a cover up (with 10% unsure) and 45% think "Congress or an International Tribunal should re-investigate the attacks, including whether any US government officials consciously allowed or helped facilitate their success" (with 8% unsure). The poll of American residents was conducted from Friday, May 12 through Tuesday, May 16, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/- 2.9. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, who was asked? You're going to get different results from a different group of people. For example, if you asked a bunch of million/billion dollar companies if they liked Bush, what would you get as the majority of answers, 'yes'. But if you asked a bunch of minorities, than what are you going to get, 'no'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who polled the respondents? How many were actually asked?

 

 

 

70% is a very high number considering only about half of that actually bother turning out to vote. I don't believe your statistics let alone your conspiracy theories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zogby is one of the most trusted polling institutions in the world, do a little research and you would know that. I also named Zogby several times as the pollsters.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=11269

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Random but important:

 

 

 

Today I was talking to a soldier who just got back from Iraq. I asked him what he thought about 9/11, and he said nobody he knew over there believed the war was about 9/11 or weapons of mass destruction. "I've had some clearance, I've worked with special forces guys. Nobody believes that [cabbage]."

[Mercifull]

John Zogby one of the most trusted polling institutions in the world... rofl dont make me laugh.

[pault]

John Zogby one of the most trusted polling institutions in the world... rofl dont make me laugh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MSNBC, which previously trusted Zogby

 

 

 

http://www.zogby.com/News/ReadNews.dbm?ID=634

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparantly distrust him when he does something like poll the troops in Iraq to reveal most of them want out.

 

 

 

http://mediamatters.org/items/200603230016

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most of the criticism of the poll of soldiers in Iraq, for example, comes from people who refuse to believe the reality of the situation in Iraq, not people who can actually raise a valid point against the poll

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zogby International made several positive steps to ensure the methodology was appropriate. The specifics of the poll were discussed with several top national reporters and Zogby explained the methodology to members of an association of polling professionals, as well as the Center for Peace and Global Studies at Le Moyne College. All groups felt the methods were appropriate, but Zogby International still felt that the operational details of its polling methodology were best kept confidential.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bill O'Reilly called him the "Most accurate pollster", and Chris Mathews said "John Zogby, you're the best pollster.".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparantly over at Fox News, they still like Zogby, but only on issues like the three stooges:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208577,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which poll is more important, how people feel about 9/11 or how many people know the names of the three stooges?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is fox news motivation for selective reporting despite the fact they trust Zogby?

[Doughnut]

 

 

 

Apparantly distrust him when he does something like poll the troops in Iraq to reveal most of them want out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No [cabbage]? If I had to go to war there is no way in hell I would want to be there, but if my sacrifice would save 50 people because I stopped an attack on USA, Russia, Europe, or really anywhere then you know what its worth it. You're complaining about 9/11 being a conspiracy, well guess what? You're sitting here at college, with your girlfriend, or just at home from work/school. You're like those morons who hate George Bush, I mean somehow he got into office but everyone hates him. So whose lying about who they voted for? :roll: You're going and believing the bull**** people are just spewing because they realize there a nobody that they will never be anybody(notice how the author of this book is a nobody) so they want to be remember for something. You go out and prove this conspiracy by yourself and show me solid proof and I'll believe you, don't believe all the **** people say. You need to realize that people do this for publicity.

[pault]

No [cabbage]? If I had to go to war there is no way in hell I would want to be there, but if my sacrifice would save 50 people because I stopped an attack on USA, Russia, Europe, or really anywhere then you know what its worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Iraq war actually increasesthe risk of terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1013-05.htm

 

 

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/ ... 6338.shtml

 

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/25/ ... index.html

 

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01455.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You're complaining about 9/11 being a conspiracy, well guess what? You're sitting here at college, with your girlfriend, or just at home from work/school. You're like those morons who hate George Bush, I mean somehow he got into office but everyone hates him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmm, it's almost like George Bush lost the popular vote, and was never actually elected by the people. I think you forget that he was decided into the presidential office by the supreme court in Bush vs. Gore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

. So whose lying about who they voted for? Rolling Eyes You're going and believing the bull**** people are just spewing because they realize there a nobody that they will never be anybody(notice how the author of this book is a nobody) so they want to be remember for something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't even know what you are talking about here. I judge a book by its content, not by how much of a "Somebody" the author is. I have read the 9/11 Commission Report, and concluded that it is not a definitive nor accurate report on the terrorist attacks against our nation. I recommend you read it. "Omissions and Distortions" is a great exploration of some of the commissions worst lies and alternate histories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not believe the 9/11 truth movement is based upon attention-seekers . The mainstream media gives very little or no coverage of this huge issue. Those who come out as supporting the movement are blacklisted, lose their jobs, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You go out and prove this conspiracy by yourself and show me solid proof and I'll believe you, don't believe all the **** people say. You need to realize that people do this for publicity

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have to prove it by myself. I only have to read the 9/11 Commission Report, and compare it to reality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Solid proof the government lied:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~The omission by the 9/11 Commission Report of the fact that WTC 7 (which was not hit by an airplane and which had only small, localized fires) also collapsed ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Ã

[Evilperson]

Hey...remember those terrorist attacks on the subways in Spain? Of course not. Because they ignored the attacks and you know what? The terrorists haven't bothered them since. Over-shadowed by the Iraq war? I really don't think so. I just think we, the "United States", are drawing too much unneccesary negative press to us. If you ignore them, they'll go away. Just like everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This small post has been brought to you by common sense.

[Mercifull]

2004 Madrid train bombings?

[Satenza]

America hasn't suffered a terrorist attack since septer 11th on their own soil. So if you're telling americans to move on because spain did so and they have not yet attacked again your point is valid. However i agree terrorists blow things up to up the media coverage of their cause.

[pault]

If you ignore them, they'll go away. Just like everything else.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "Terrorists" were never the real problem. All war is terrible, and in war every side uses tactics that are unsavory. The US firebombing of dresden in WW2, the use of nukes on Japan, and the US providing Israel with cluster bombs which they use with impunity, are examples of acts of "Terrorism" by the US.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"All war is based on deception." -- Sun Tzu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lies about the Maine helped launch the Spanish American war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lies about the communists helped launch the Vietnam war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lies about Iraqi soldiers ripping Kuwaiti babies from incubators helped launch the first gulf war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about the fact that we sponsored and taught the "Terrorists" when they were fighting Russians in Afghanistan, and Osama bin Laden met with a CIA agent in July of 2001.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 1979 "the largest covert operation in the history of the CIA" was launched in response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in support of the pro-Communist government of Babrak Kamal.2:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the active encouragement of the CIA and Pakistan's ISI [inter Services Intelligence], who wanted to turn the Afghan jihad into a global war waged by all Muslim states against the Soviet Union, some 35,000 Muslim radicals from 40 Islamic countries joined Afghanistan's fight between 1982 and 1992. Tens of thousands more came to study in Pakistani madrasahs. Eventually more than 100,000 foreign Muslim radicals were directly influenced by the Afghan jihad.3

 

 

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

 

 

 

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2001/465/25199

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

 

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/s ... 44,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åblack MuslimsÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[BlueLancer]

 

 

Did the government allow it to happen? Definitely not. Did some government/high staff officials have information but decided not to leak it out and buy strategical stocks instead? There is no doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Whoever knew enough to buy put options for companies that occupied large parts of the world trade center, and United and American Airlines, knew enough to prevent the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you believe that site? And not all major companies benefited from the WTC collapses. Marsh USA, AON, Morgan Stanley (practically owned the South Tower), and Salomon Smith Barney for example, did not benefit from the loss of many employees and many important files both in paper and on computers. And then there's all sorts of other files lost, can you imagine the scale of damage caused by that sort of loss? Everyone from bankers to brokers would be in trouble.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, lots of info is duplicated elsewhere, but alot isn't at the same time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe any particular website, I believe what I can see on the files of NYSE, NASDAQ, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why, after years of fairly stable trading of those stocks, suddenly the trading of certain stocks (that would go down like a falling comet, and rise again in price) multiplied by even 300x in a matter of 1 day? Random? Not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Conspiracy or not, I don't really care. I just care that hundreds of people made astronomical profits off the forehand knowledge of the terrorist attack. They considered the profit more valuable than ratting out to CIA/FBI and exposing it and saving human lives.

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Most of the intelligent individuals who have responded to this thread have agreed with at least one point regarding areas where the 9/11 Commission has failed to investigate. The WTC7 buildings collapse was completely ignored by the report, and the insider trading that went on directly before 9/11 was not sufficiently investigated, to use two small examples. The commission claimed to offer a complete and independent investigation into the attacks. It did not. A new investigation must begin now.