9/11 Commision LIES

[Notorious_Ice]

So are you about to blame it on the Jews? I see overwhelming evidence that you are about to pin this on the Jews.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did that come from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

America has a debt of 44 trillion, I doubt bush would be worried about a few hundred billion dollars.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I read an article about how bush benefited from 9/11 but I couldn't find it. Though I remember it allowed bush to pass laws he couldn't before, and it gave him a reason to go into iraq

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But then again http://www.911myths.com/ is pretty convincing, they still fail to explain how a whole plane could have made such a small hole in the pentigon.

[honeo]

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, with the profit of all the oil in the middle east, those "few hundered billion dollars" don't matter anymore .

[Viktorkrum77]

~George Bush Sr. was meeting with Osama Bin Ladens brother on 9/11.

 

 

 

And...Osama and his brother(s) are totally different people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~WTC building seven was demolished, not knocked down by an aircraft.

 

 

 

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it wasn't hit by an aircraft duh. If you think that, than you have serious problems, it fell due to excessive fire damage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Some of the hijackers are still alive.

 

 

 

Not even remotely possible. Prove it, there were no survivors of any of the plane crashes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~There were numerous wargames/exercises planned on/near 9/11 by the US government.

 

 

 

And this isn't regular?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~The universal failure of the US aviation authorities, the pentagons air defense system, and the US intelligence service, all happened at the same time.

 

 

 

This it just total blasphemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Most Bush administration officials were involved heavily in firms (Bechtel, Haliburton, etc..) that profited heavily from US policy changes after 9/11.

 

 

 

Too bad firms like JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, Salomon Smith Barney, along with many many other companies involved with, finance, insurance, transportation, import and export, customs brokerage, trade associations, and representatives of foreign governments, etc, did not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and least we forget Building 6, the US Customs house with departments such as those of Labor, Commerce, Agriculture, etc. And building 7's CIA tenant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I'm pretty sure that the damage these companies took did not benefit the US in anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~The Bush Administration was planning a war in the Middle East way before 9/11, and even before Bush was elected. (google PNAC iraq justification for more info)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, it's called Kuwait.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

[Notorious_Ice]

~George Bush Sr. was meeting with Osama Bin Ladens brother on 9/11.

 

 

 

And...Osama and his brother(s) are totally different people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know how that is even a rebuttel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~WTC building seven was demolished, not knocked down by an aircraft.

 

 

 

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it wasn't hit by an aircraft duh. If you think that, than you have serious problems, it fell due to excessive fire damage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steel buildings do not fall from fire damage, there have been a number of skyscrapers and other huge buildings which have not collapsed from fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Some of the hijackers are still alive.

 

 

 

Not even remotely possible. Prove it, there were no survivors of any of the plane crashes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no records or proof the highjackers were even on the plane, and there are records showing some of them living normal lives. This of course might be faked, but my first point stands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~There were numerous wargames/exercises planned on/near 9/11 by the US government.

 

 

 

And this isn't regular?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not really, the wargames and excercises were planned for later on in the year and were changed without much notice. This doesn't prove anything, but it does create suspicion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~The universal failure of the US aviation authorities, the pentagons air defense system, and the US intelligence service, all happened at the same time.

 

 

 

This it just total blasphemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then why wasn't the plane shot out of the sky long before it hit?

[warri0r45]

Steel buildings do not fall from fire damage, there have been a number of skyscrapers and other huge buildings which have not collapsed from fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder whether people who don't think a building could fall from fire damage took into account that the WTC towers 1 and 2 were hit by commercial airliners... Don't you think that flying such a massive object into a building would take out a few load bearing girders?

[Viktorkrum77]

 

~WTC building seven was demolished, not knocked down by an aircraft.

 

 

 

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it wasn't hit by an aircraft duh. If you think that, than you have serious problems, it fell due to excessive fire damage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steel buildings do not fall from fire damage, there have been a number of skyscrapers and other huge buildings which have not collapsed from fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The keyword is steel buildings WITH fire proof coating. But oil fires melt said protection, exposed steel beams are going to dip under pressure, this same thing happened in the twin towers but on a larger scale. And yes, the mayors bunker in WTC7 had lots of oil stored in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Some of the hijackers are still alive.

 

 

 

Not even remotely possible. Prove it, there were no survivors of any of the plane crashes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no records or proof the hijackers were even on the plane, and there are records showing some of them living normal lives. This of course might be faked, but my first point stands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, but least we forget the descriptions given by passengers onboard when they called their loved were lieing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~The universal failure of the US aviation authorities, the pentagons air defense system, and the US intelligence service, all happened at the same time.

 

 

 

This it just total blasphemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then why wasn't the plane shot out of the sky long before it hit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They knew the planes weren't responding, they kept calling them. But why exactly would you shoot a commercial jet out of the air? That is fantasy. They couldn't do anything, they were 30,000 feet up in the air, traveling several hundreds of miles per hour, not answering radio calls, and the list goes on. Now if you can prove to me a way to stop a hijacked commercial plane, than go for it. A Rome, New York US airforce base saw one of the planes fly over long island (the one heading for the south tower), they radioed it, and they thought it was an off schedule private plane preparing to land in NYC. It was not however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steel buildings do not fall from fire damage, there have been a number of skyscrapers and other huge buildings which have not collapsed from fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder whether people who don't think a building could fall from fire damage took into account that the WTC towers 1 and 2 were hit by commercial airliners... Don't you think that flying such a massive object into a building would take out a few load bearing girders?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He was talking about building 7. It wasn't hit by a plane, but it too, like the twin towers, had a large, but not as large, amount of oil in it, contributing to the fires.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they still fail to explain how a whole plane could have made such a small hole in the pentigon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The planes wings melted as they knocked over the supporting columns from the fire in the E ring. All that was left was a disintegrating plane that burned up at around the C ring ie. the small holes. It's physics and science for crying out loud.

[warri0r45]

He was talking about building 7. It wasn't hit by a plane, but it too, like the twin towers, had a large, but not as large, amount of oil in it, contributing to the fires.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ohk, sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

[KnightLite]

 

A conspiracy theory is a theory that claims an event or series of events is the result of secret manipulations by two or more individuals or an organization, rather than the result of a single perpetrator or natural occurrence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The US government claimed that Osama Bin Laden masterminded the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and the US authorities failed to stop him. This is a conspiracy theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 9/11 commision is so factually challenged that it hardly supports this theory, though it tries extremely hard. It got rid of or changed facts that didn't fit. The 9/11 commision report is full of lies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Grim_Jokes, are you actually going to respond to my post? I would like very much to hear your opinion or any facts you can think of which might be relevant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can thank Clinton for that

[4737_Carlin]

wow interesting post dude, it make u think a lot =D> =D> :thumbsup:

[Defender2516]

Well here is my opinion on it.. and you can debate/insult/agree/disagree with me on anyway you see fit.. but the facts remain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Over 3,000 People are dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I remember the day it happened.. it was like the newspapers were already having pictures of Osama ready for advertising and informing the average slave/dull American who lives in a forsaken world how people hate us bad. (Really, what did I ever do to you guys halfway across the world while watching cartoons?)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are 2 types of people when it comes to 9/11.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those who want money (selling book theories)

 

 

 

And those who want the truth (But alot of theories are used as fact material to counter the truth)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All I want to know about 9/11 is what really happened. But i'm no fool to believe every word the government says.. and not because alot of TV shows/movies plays the gov as the bad guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I once was a forum Administrator.. and as my job.. and my fellow forumists.. I had to do the dirty work behind the scenes.. rules that were put in place for the public were not rules we always went by. Its called "bending the rules".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everything was a case by case basis.. but it all remained the same.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe they should make this a law, but it is my belief that the highest authority has the advantage of not doing what is law only because there is no resistance of that authority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Example: God, this is Defender.. I want you to do everything I say..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That won't work because God is a higher authority. The saying "God can do whatever he wants" is true because he is the highest authority, he just chooses not to do "whatever he wants".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I feel its the same with the governement without divinity. No human is perfect nor ever will be while we live on the earth.. so do you think the Goverment will play "100% honest and serve the people rather than ourselfs" attitude? erm.. not really.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Bush isn't thinking "I get to serve millions of people today! hurray!"..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But more like "woot, they voted me king.. now who's going to go fetch me my coffee! and tons of oil barrels.. need... OIL desire... TOO STRONG TO RESIST!!!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yeah.. thats my opinion on it. No human is perfect and the highest authority has no authority resistance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, the goverment runs the people.. but the people runs the government, but only if the people act.. as long as they are blind to the truth and knowledge of the events that taked place on 9/11.. no one can act.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, some people just want to believe the government is evil and will soak up all stories like a sponge.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All I want out of 9/11 is the truth of what really happened... was it terriosts? Or was it our government? Was it both?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All I know is.. alot of people are dead due to it.. so my heart goes out to who it matters the most.. the families of those people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll let God deal with our government, he knows the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[yomom1919]

 

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, with the profit of all the oil in the middle east, those "few hundered billion dollars" don't matter anymore .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding? We made absolutely no profits from the war so far... Its been costing us how many billion dollars a month? If there was 3 trillion dollars worth of oil that we found, I'd like to see that. Why do you think oil prices skyrocketed? Oil plants were shut down and destroyed. The oil output from that country was tremendous. We have recovered none of the oil so far. I hate when people say its a war on oil, when its evident the war would make prices of oil increase.

[monkeypie10]

they still fail to explain how a whole plane could have made such a small hole in the pentigon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The planes wings melted as they knocked over the supporting columns from the fire in the E ring. All that was left was a disintegrating plane that burned up at around the C ring ie. the small holes. It's physics and science for crying out loud. ( Viktor said this.<<<<)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The planes wings melted as they knocked over the supporting columns from the fire in the E ring. All that was left was a disintegrating plane that burned up at around the C ring ie. the small holes. It's physics and science for crying out loud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a camera at a gas station that had recording of the "boeing 747" directly hitting the pentagon. A few minutes after the plane actually hit the Pentagon, the FBI went to the gas station and took the camera. This was the only video camera that actually had a clear shot of a boeing 747 hitting the pentagon. All the other video cameras just show a blur of a plane. So the FBI takes the ONLY camera that shows a clear image of the plane, then they claim it was a boeing 747? We don't know if the FBI is telling the truth about a boeing 747, but lets just say we believe them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, lets say a boeing 747 hit the pentagon. Yeah, you know those two very large things on the side of planes? Those circular things? Well, they are big. THEY DON'T JUST VANQIUSH AFTER THEY HIT A WALL. Their are no sign of where both of them hit the pentagon, things that big and that reinforced don't just vanqiush from an explosion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A video camera that shows the explosion of the plane once it collided into the wall ( doesn't show the plane actually going and hitting the wall) gave off a HUGE silver ball of fire. As a test, they flew a boeing 747 into a wall, yet once it exploded, no silver ball of fire. Hmm, what gives off a silver ball of fire? That is cordite, an ingrediant used in gun powder I believe. People from the pentagon could clearly smell cordite from where the plane hit. But ofcourse, people are not always excellent evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did happen on 9/11? :-k

[Doughnut]

Why do you all want to expose this, its not worth it to expose it. Why not try to better yourselves and your community around you then believing in conspiraicies.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

 

they still fail to explain how a whole plane could have made such a small hole in the pentigon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The planes wings melted as they knocked over the supporting columns from the fire in the E ring. All that was left was a disintegrating plane that burned up at around the C ring ie. the small holes. It's physics and science for crying out loud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The planes wings melted as they knocked over the supporting columns from the fire in the E ring. All that was left was a disintegrating plane that burned up at around the C ring ie. the small holes. It's physics and science for crying out loud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There was a camera at a gas station that had recording of the "boeing 747" directly hitting the pentagon. A few minutes after the plane actually hit the Pentagon, the FBI went to the gas station and took the camera. This was the only video camera that actually had a clear shot of a boeing 747 hitting the pentagon. All the other video cameras just show a blur of a plane. So the FBI takes the ONLY camera that shows a clear image of the plane, then they claim it was a boeing 747? We don't know if the FBI is telling the truth about a boeing 747, but lets just say we believe them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, lets say a boeing 747 hit the pentagon. Yeah, you know those two very large things on the side of planes? Those circular things? Well, they are big. THEY DON'T JUST VANQIUSH AFTER THEY HIT A WALL. Their are no sign of where both of them hit the pentagon, things that big and that reinforced don't just vanqiush from an explosion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A video camera that shows the explosion of the plane once it collided into the wall ( doesn't show the plane actually going and hitting the wall) gave off a HUGE silver ball of fire. As a test, they flew a boeing 747 into a wall, yet once it exploded, no silver ball of fire. Hmm, what gives off a silver ball of fire? That is cordite, an ingrediant used in gun powder I believe. People from the pentagon could clearly smell cordite from where the plane hit. But ofcourse, people are not always excellent evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did happen on 9/11? :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I forgot how the FBI stopped a Boeing 757 in mid air when it was about to crash into the Pentagon, made it invisible, and flew it to a field where they crashed it in Kentucky. Then they blew off a set of bombs or a torpedo in a building containing very important goverment records and employees. :wall: #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, the reason the Boeing 757's wing span did not crash into the building and make a cookie cut out of itself on reinforced concrete is because one of the wings hit the exterior ground upon impact of the wall of the E ring which later collapsed. "The other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns." As I had said in my last post. "What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass." If you believe the wings would survive the initial impact, than you are sadly mistaken, what they did hurt collapsed with the E ring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The quotes are those of a concrete expert by the name of Mete Sozen.

[timmay929]

 

~WTC building seven was demolished, not knocked down by an aircraft.

 

 

 

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it wasn't hit by an aircraft duh. If you think that, than you have serious problems, it fell due to excessive fire damage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Steel buildings do not fall from fire damage, there have been a number of skyscrapers and other huge buildings which have not collapsed from fire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, yes they can. That's why WTC fell. The fire inside melted the remaining steel supports in turn, causing it to fall.

[yomom1919]

Actually, yes they can. That's why WTC fell. The fire inside melted the remaining steel supports in turn, causing it to fall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is exactly why it fell downwards and not to the side.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

Actually, yes they can. That's why WTC fell. The fire inside melted the remaining steel supports in turn, causing it to fall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Which is exactly why it fell downwards and not to the side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't forget. A building where the fire proofing is gone. And also, it only slightly melted the steel supports, which is all it needed to collapse upon itself in a pancaking manner.

[honeo]

 

 

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, with the profit of all the oil in the middle east, those "few hundered billion dollars" don't matter anymore .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding? We made absolutely no profits from the war so far... Its been costing us how many billion dollars a month? If there was 3 trillion dollars worth of oil that we found, I'd like to see that. Why do you think oil prices skyrocketed? Oil plants were shut down and destroyed. The oil output from that country was tremendous. We have recovered none of the oil so far. I hate when people say its a war on oil, when its evident the war would make prices of oil increase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

[timmay929]

 

 

 

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, with the profit of all the oil in the middle east, those "few hundered billion dollars" don't matter anymore .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding? We made absolutely no profits from the war so far... Its been costing us how many billion dollars a month? If there was 3 trillion dollars worth of oil that we found, I'd like to see that. Why do you think oil prices skyrocketed? Oil plants were shut down and destroyed. The oil output from that country was tremendous. We have recovered none of the oil so far. I hate when people say its a war on oil, when its evident the war would make prices of oil increase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, that is a big part of why they are over there. I don't know why Bush really cares about it, but that is partially why they are over there. To restore peace and government.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

 

 

The government lost many profits on this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Taxes. The taxes on the center were tremendous.

 

 

 

2. Business. Its not called WTC for nothing. Americas economy didnt exactly prosper from this.

 

 

 

3. The cleanup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This resulted in the loss of hundereds of billions of dollars. I dont think they were aiming for that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But, with the profit of all the oil in the middle east, those "few hundered billion dollars" don't matter anymore .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding? We made absolutely no profits from the war so far... Its been costing us how many billion dollars a month? If there was 3 trillion dollars worth of oil that we found, I'd like to see that. Why do you think oil prices skyrocketed? Oil plants were shut down and destroyed. The oil output from that country was tremendous. We have recovered none of the oil so far. I hate when people say its a war on oil, when its evident the war would make prices of oil increase.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They care! People like extremists are the ones that don't, and are trying to stop it.

[yomom1919]

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats the million-dollar question being debated by basically every politician now. And you expect me to answer it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And we couldnt abandon Iraq. We basically destroyed it. If we simply withdrew, it would be like taking a big wrecking ball to iraq promising to rebuild it, not rebuilding it, and leaving.

[honeo]

 

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats the million-dollar question being debated by basically every politician now. And you expect me to answer it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And we couldnt abandon Iraq. We basically destroyed it. If we simply withdrew, it would be like taking a big wrecking ball to iraq promising to rebuild it, not rebuilding it, and leaving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I know. But now that "wrecking ball" is swinging back right for our own people in Iraq. Our men are being killed each day. We are trying to to re-build a country that is so corrupt and so destroyed, it is taking a toll on our own people. You've just got to wonder... are we there for another reason?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, with all the bombings (by the terriorists) cities were destroyed long before we got there.

[Notorious_Ice]

Oh, but least we forget the descriptions given by passengers onboard when they called their loved were lieing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They could easily have been fakes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They knew the planes weren't responding, they kept calling them. But why exactly would you shoot a commercial jet out of the air? That is fantasy. They couldn't do anything, they were 30,000 feet up in the air, traveling several hundreds of miles per hour, not answering radio calls, and the list goes on. Now if you can prove to me a way to stop a hijacked commercial plane, than go for it. A Rome, New York US airforce base saw one of the planes fly over long island (the one heading for the south tower), they radioed it, and they thought it was an off schedule private plane preparing to land in NYC. It was not however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They would have had plenty of time in which they knew something was wrong and the plane was going to hit. If a plane is not responding and speeding towards an important building, they could at least have tried to shoot an engine out to bring it down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, the reason the Boeing 757's wing span did not crash into the building and make a cookie cut out of itself on reinforced concrete is because one of the wings hit the exterior ground upon impact of the wall of the E ring which later collapsed. "The other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns." As I had said in my last post. "What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass." If you believe the wings would survive the initial impact, than you are sadly mistaken, what they did hurt collapsed with the E ring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet there was no damage on the lawn, no 757 parts found and some of the wreckage was found out to be from a military plane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why hasn't the video from the gas station been released? It could prove that a 747 did in fact hit the pentagon, the government just won't release it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush was an idiot to go into iraq. He didn't listen to Bush Sr and is now paying the price.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

They knew the planes weren't responding, they kept calling them. But why exactly would you shoot a commercial jet out of the air? That is fantasy. They couldn't do anything, they were 30,000 feet up in the air, traveling several hundreds of miles per hour, not answering radio calls, and the list goes on. Now if you can prove to me a way to stop a hijacked commercial plane, than go for it. A Rome, New York US airforce base saw one of the planes fly over long island (the one heading for the south tower), they radioed it, and they thought it was an off schedule private plane preparing to land in NYC. It was not however.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They would have had plenty of time in which they knew something was wrong and the plane was going to hit. If a plane is not responding and speeding towards an important building, they could at least have tried to shoot an engine out to bring it down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They didn't know where the planes were heading, they did dispatch fighter jets, which headed the wrong direction from a misinterpreted assignment. I just said, they thought the planes were going to land in NYC or something, they can't predict the future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, the reason the Boeing 757's wing span did not crash into the building and make a cookie cut out of itself on reinforced concrete is because one of the wings hit the exterior ground upon impact of the wall of the E ring which later collapsed. "The other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns." As I had said in my last post. "What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass." If you believe the wings would survive the initial impact, than you are sadly mistaken, what they did hurt collapsed with the E ring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet there was no damage on the lawn, no 757 parts found and some of the wreckage was found out to be from a military plane.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why hasn't the video from the gas station been released? It could prove that a 747 did in fact hit the pentagon, the government just won't release it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were several surveillance cameras that were not released. The FBI and CIA has its reason, they don't like to publicize things. My uncle works for the CIA, and they have their reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, BTW, they did find flight parts, including wreckage labeled with the flight name, and parts of the plane. And they have pictures to prove it, I didn't bother searching for them, but I'm sure a simple Google search would find them.

[malo2]

 

 

Tell me what we are fighting for then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To restore peace to their country? They don't want that! They are trying to turn the American's away from their cities! Yet the President of the United States still continues to send troops over to Iraq.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The plan wasn't flawless, things could have gone wrong, and things did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats the million-dollar question being debated by basically every politician now. And you expect me to answer it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And we couldnt abandon Iraq. We basically destroyed it. If we simply withdrew, it would be like taking a big wrecking ball to iraq promising to rebuild it, not rebuilding it, and leaving.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I know. But now that "wrecking ball" is swinging back right for our own people in Iraq. Our men are being killed each day. We are trying to to re-build a country that is so corrupt and so destroyed, it is taking a toll on our own people. You've just got to wonder... are we there for another reason?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, with all the bombings (by the terriorists) cities were destroyed long before we got there.

God, is 5 and a half years really long enought for you to forget? we went there so we don't get our [wagon] blown off back home!