My Experience With The Strung Rabbit Foot

[enimen0]

wakka owns.

[Soma2035]

 

 

 

Actually it doesn't increase the number of nests you get, just increases the chance of getting nests.

:lol:

 

 

 

You know that if you have a greater chance of getting nests, that you're going to get more nests?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

don't use your "loooogic" on me!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

lol, like the ROW, it depends, it can do good, or it may not. Depends...on nothing really. But good info, but regardless, what other ammy are you going to wear? Why not wear it?

People need to understand something about ROW's, the change is not going to be noticable. The reason is because it only effects dragon items. I believe this because of how the drop system was described by a mod once. There are 2 wheels spun, one has all of the common drops and the other has rare drops. There are several spots on the wheel (small ones) that will make it go to the rare drops. For some monsters (KQ) this spot is larger then for others. WHen it hits that thing and moves to the rare drop wheel it wheel it can hit a dragon item, this is where the ROW comes in, it will increase the size of landing on a dragon item in this spot. Therefore, since hte ROW only effects dragon items it will be an unnoticable change by any study, however the chance is still there. I don't consider the change to be good enough to substitute it for a DK ring since those let me hit harder.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, from what I've heard, it increases the chance of moving to the rare drops wheel from the first one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As in when you spin the first wheel, if you're wearing a ring of wealth, the chance of you spinning the second wheel is greater.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason I interpreted it this way is that it affects more than dragon items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, a RoW is VERY noticeable if you use it on chaos druids. Just count how many chaos druids you kill before you collect 20 UnIded herbs. Do like 500 trips (good herblore xp too), and then do it again without wealth. You'll see the change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason for that is chaos druids have a chance of dropping 2 herbs. However, I'm guessing that small chance is placed on the "rare" wheel as well. That means you have a higher chance of getting that if you have a ring of wealth on.

[malo2]

instead of saying "average", you should give us some exact numbers, for example, tell us exactly how many nests you get after 20k willows, with and without the foot.

[Kill_Thomas9]

i never use luck increasing items anyway...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they dont seem to work... ever

[grem]

thats an interesting theory you've got there... but have you tried it on other types of tree? just incase?

[dwarfie76]

 

Actually it doesn't increase the number of nests you get, just increases the chance of getting nests.

:lol:

 

 

 

You know that if you have a greater chance of getting nests, that you're going to get more nests?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not entirely correct. If you increase the chance of getting something you can expect to get more of them over the long term. If you have a one in five chance of finding a coin on the footpath every time you go for a walk, then for every five walks you can expect one coin - as the number of walks approaches infinity. For some groups of five walks you might find three coins, then you might go for fifteen walks without finding a coin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you increased the chance of finding a coin to two in five, then there is still every possibility that you might go for 100 walks and still end up with 20 coins.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rather more on topic - I haven't noticed any perceptible increase in nest-drops. But then I tend to browse the web while I woodcut and listen out for the sound of trees falling so it's quite possible I'm getting more than I realise.

[Jake_Corsair]

 

Actually it doesn't increase the number of nests you get, just increases the chance of getting nests.

:lol:

 

 

 

You know that if you have a greater chance of getting nests, that you're going to get more nests?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That sounds good, but by that line of thought. If I buy 5 lottery tickets each week, I have a chance at big money. But if I buy 10 lottery tickets, then by increasing my chances, I'm going to get big money.

[lordkafei]

I am not overly impressed with the rabbit's foot. I have cut for a couple of hours and gotten a handful of nests. I have worn a Fury instead and gotten a comparable number of nests.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's just too easy to go slay the mole and fund your kingdom. I think the rabbit's foot is all hype.

[zman123123]

Yes but my point is not that it doesn't look cool. My point is that I was wondering whether or not it even helps... by all means, wear them. In fact please do, so people will quit saying that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure Jagex meant it to do something, but it's not as though it helps as far as a 2:1 ratio. If I were getting 20 nests a day with it and 8 a day without it, then yeah I would be all over it. I'm just saying maybe it doesn't even really help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By no means was I advocating people not wearing it. The whole point of this was to determine it's effectiveness, it's not like I'm a RuneScape fashion critic and I think the "ugly little necklace" shouldn't be worn because it isn't pretty. I'm saying maybe, just maybe, it doesn't really help. That's it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as far as I can tell, over the course of cutting 74k logs in this study of mine, no, it doesn't help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you hate it when you try to show somthing you put alot of time into to help people, and all you get is flamed?

[fx1970]

The real question is:

 

 

 

"What to wear when WC?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one ceratinty: other ammy won't affect the drop rate of nest.

 

 

 

There is one uncertainty: Does Rabbit foot increase it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore, there is only 1 solution:

 

 

 

Even if the effects of the rabbit foot were/are negligible, it is always better than nothing. And the nothing, you know it as a fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Therefore..... wear a rabbit foot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is as simple as that in my opinion

[Gugge]

Interesting study, with that large amount of logs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if there were any difference in what was in the nests? Like, if there were less plain gold rings and more diamond rings and less oak/apple and more of the higher level tree seeds when wearing the rabbits foot?

[Kashi]

 

Actually it doesn't increase the number of nests you get, just increases the chance of getting nests.

:lol:

 

 

 

You know that if you have a greater chance of getting nests, that you're going to get more nests?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As unclean as it makes me feel, I'm gonna' go with Bloodveld on this one. We're not talking

 

 

 

about him cutting 100 logs with a SRF and 100 logs without. This person chopped logs

 

 

 

for an entire month to gather this data. If this item really does make a difference

 

 

 

it would be statistically impossibly for him to get the same number of nests using it

 

 

 

as he did when not using it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or at least, certainly we can all agree it was a gross exaggeration on Jagex's part

 

 

 

when they said 'Greatly increases'. Maybe their idea of greatly increases is 0.5% or 1%,

 

 

 

which of course would hardly be noticeable even if you chopped 100,000 logs.

[Ambassadar]

I agree with whoever said don't use average. We need exact data. If both resulted in 16-20 nests per day that is a huge difference over time between the two numbers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 is 125% of 16. That is VERY significant over leveling up to 99 in woodcutting. That is why I would be curious to see the exact data before I decide a strung rabbit foot isn't worth it.

[rft]

this is a really interesting study, although I agree with the people saying that using averages is not a good thing. Exact data is always better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The best post here is the one by fx1970. I agree completely. Whether or not it has any massive difference is hard to say, but you might aswell wear it as it is better than nothing.

[pb0b]

i think my rabbit ammy is broken......oh well, i had some days that it worked really well. (current record: 6 nests in 1 trip)

[Leesters]

Maybe there may not be a noticeable difference, but I'd keep wearing it because I doubt Jagex would lie about its effect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But there might very simply be a bug in the program that doesn't allow it work as planned.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is my guess. No one can prove it because it would take a very large amount of accurate data. Possibly a million logs without a statistical significant difference written in a bug report would make them take a second look at the code.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any Statistics 101 students out there? I think someone in the class should do a "significant difference" formula for the silly rabbits foot, and send in a bug report.

[Buckeyemange]

 

it only raises the chance of gettin a egg nest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And where did you take that info from?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because, here's a quote from the KB:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The rabbit, aside from leaving you with bones and raw rabbit meat, will leave behind a lucky rabbit's foot. This small and innocuous item can be strung, with level 37 Crafting and a ball of wool, to make a rabbit-foot necklace - an unvaluable tool for Woodcutting masters. This reward will greatly increase your chance of receiving a bird's nest when Woodcutting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

According to this, you should change the KB, to instead of invaluable, well, look above...

[hyjack01]

 

Yes but my point is not that it doesn't look cool. My point is that I was wondering whether or not it even helps... by all means, wear them. In fact please do, so people will quit saying that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure Jagex meant it to do something, but it's not as though it helps as far as a 2:1 ratio. If I were getting 20 nests a day with it and 8 a day without it, then yeah I would be all over it. I'm just saying maybe it doesn't even really help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By no means was I advocating people not wearing it. The whole point of this was to determine it's effectiveness, it's not like I'm a RuneScape fashion critic and I think the "ugly little necklace" shouldn't be worn because it isn't pretty. I'm saying maybe, just maybe, it doesn't really help. That's it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as far as I can tell, over the course of cutting 74k logs in this study of mine, no, it doesn't help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't you hate it when you try to show somthing you put alot of time into to help people, and all you get is flamed?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good point, the topic starter did some good research on this issue. I dont understand certain replies in this thread trying to prove him wrong.

 

 

 

Jagex stated: This reward will greatly increase your chance of receiving a bird's nest when Woodcutting". This ammy is just rubbish (yes, ive used it too without any different results).

 

 

 

So, Jagex has made a programming mistake as Leesters said or they are getting really sloppy in the knowledgebase.. Anyway.. i'm getting a bit tired of useless questrewards....

[alwin_loser]

It's better than wearing something else, maybe you were just lucky getting 16-20 nests without a foot??? I'm going to wear it...

[Eccentric]

I'd like to point out that the topic poster didn't say there was no difference at all, just that it was entirely negligible. As in, so small that it doesn't make enough of a difference to warrant wearing one if you have any objections to the style or don't want to go get one or take up an extra bank space. As Kashi pointed out, this is a large amount of logs cut to gather data from; if there were a great difference in actual outcome, it would have become obvious. Just like a survey needs a certain number of people answering it to become considered accurate and viable data, so does this sort of test require a certain number of logs cut to consider it accurate and viable data; I think 74k, which works out to be 37k cut with the rabit's foot on and 37k without it on, is more than sufficient to meet that requirement.

[Jake_Corsair]

Exactly Eccentric, willows are known for good nest drops anyway. "Greatly increasing" your chances for nests on them might be negligible anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's say the rabbit's foot increases your chance by 5% and the willows have a standard 20% chance each time you swing your axe for a nest. That's only a change of 1 in 5 swings to 1 in 4 swings for chance of a nest. There isn't going to be much of a difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now say the magic trees have a standard of 5%. With the rabbit's foot, that's an increase from 1 in 20 swings to 1 in 10 swings, chance of a nest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see how you can base the "quality" of the rabbit's foot off data collected on an item that already has good chances to start with.

[killer_bowey]

if you want nests, kill the mole :D

[deciever2]

well, why not wear it? you got something better for the spot? :lol: thats the real question :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure it does "something"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, it seems unlikely that Jagex would release an item that does absolutely nothing while it's supposed to be doing something. You can apply this argument to the RoW as well.

[Dino_Da_Gino]

I'd like to point out that the topic poster didn't say there was no difference at all, just that it was entirely negligible. As in, so small that it doesn't make enough of a difference to warrant wearing one if you have any objections to the style or don't want to go get one or take up an extra bank space. As Kashi pointed out, this is a large amount of logs cut to gather data from; if there were a great difference in actual outcome, it would have become obvious. Just like a survey needs a certain number of people answering it to become considered accurate and viable data, so does this sort of test require a certain number of logs cut to consider it accurate and viable data; I think 74k, which works out to be 37k cut with the rabit's foot on and 37k without it on, is more than sufficient to meet that requirement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you.. someone finally gets what I was trying to say. I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can. Wear one, don't wear one, it's up to you. I just didn't see much of a difference. A lot of people seem to think I'm preaching the gospel of a rabbit foot-less world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol:

[Greedom1]

Dino - thanks for this research. When the necklace first came out, I really thought it was going to be awesome for sara brews and the like... needless to say, I was horribly disappointed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After a much smaller sample, I decided it was garbage, and I soon went back to slaying and farming.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks again though!