D. V. Devnull

Hello, Tip.It Forum Staff... :) So the last few days/weeks, I've been seeing a "Tracker" link at the top of the forums. It also happens to appear while I'm not logged in. I was wondering, why is it up there? (Was it just an 'oops'?) Also, what point does it have? Further, why is it currently empty? :huh: ~D. V. "Looking forward to understanding this..." Devnull

Hi there, ItsASpork... I hate to say it, but you stepped in something awful there. Please refer to [qfc]25-26-234-62581928[/qfc] as it so happens that Jagex wasn't ready for people upgrading to FireFox 4 yet. I'll wish you well on reverting to FireFox 3.6-series, or whatever you were running prior to the upgrade. :wall: ~D. V. "You upgraded too soon... IMO, that's the problem..." Devnull

I can understand hosting the background images, rank images, and button images for the themes out on some content delivery network. But, doesn't hosting profile photos out there sound a little ludicrous, and doesn't it also carry the risk of that CDN possibly spilling out stuff (thereby causing privacy violations) to unwanted 3rd/4th parties? :blink: I trust you and the rest of the Tip.It Staff to not go spilling out stuff. But if there's one thing I've learned, it's to never trust a CDN with Profile-specific stuff. (I've even ABP'd a few CDNs due to their linkage to bad tracking-loaded advertising. My web history is mine, and not for Advertisers to be poking in.) So, I seriously recommend keeping the Profile Photo functions retained on the Forums themselves. Well, unless you wouldn't mind letting people link those in from their PhotoBucket/ImageShack/etc. Accounts finally? :huh: ~D. V. "Really, there's privacy concerns to be considered here..." Devnull (p.s.: Right now, I'm severely tilted towards pulling down my Profile Photo during this test...)

I'm rather glad to hear of this. I thought certain os-related things in Windows 7 blocked usage of that old a Java version. :o (Sadly, anyone running FireFox 3.6.4+ definitely can't use anything before Java 6u10... Dang Mozilla. -.- ...) From what I remember (albeit my memory might be faulty) the RuneScape Jmods saying, if it thinks your local Java install is working, it will try to use that. Otherwise, it uses the OpenJDK Java distro that comes as part of the RS Client's own package. :-s ~D. V. "Grr... Java headaches..." Devnull

A few thoughts: First off, this only appears to be happening to users who are on the New-Generation Java Plugin, as provided by Oracle/Sun. I'm sitting back on Java 6u6 with FF2-series, and I do not have this happening to me. Unluckily, Windows 7 means you can't go back that far, thanks to compatibility issues. (And neither would I normally suggest trying, but RuneScape tends to take exception due to somebody's failure at Jagex and/or Oracle/Sun, and only if someone is running Windows XP or earlier... so nobody try yelling at me about that... Yell at Jagex and/or Oracle/Sun, please.) Yeah, the RuneScape applet appears to be doing something that the New-Generation Java Plugin doesn't like, and so Java just up and goes AWOL... I agree, it's a nightmare. :wall: Second, and getting to something a bit more reasonable... Did you reboot between the deinstall/reinstall, as well as once after in order to make sure that files/registry/etc. were all in place? As memory serves, Oracle/Sun Java tends to have files/registry/etc. which it can only deal with while Windows isn't fully running. (This might have changed, but I really doubt it...) :huh: Third, could you please post up your system's specs here? I really hate the idea of having to go near Sony's site after all the bad things they've done. (Again, no going bonkers... Just my personal thoughts because of memories.) Heck, just a few screenshots from your DirectX Diagnostic Utility would help. Preferably the first tab, as well as the Display and Sound tabs. ;) Finally, if you've been getting any "hs_err_pid" files (possibly with numbers on the right end) after these black/white-screen issues, could you post up one or two of them as well? They normally tend to point as to where the initial fault is at, or at least point to one of the possible problems as a result of RuneScape trying to run with the recent Java versions. :-? ~D. V. "Ugh... Newer Java Versions, why do you plague us?!?" Devnull (p.s.: Noticing that you're in the UK, you could just go to Jagex's HQ and have some words with them... :twisted: ...)

Hey... have you conducted anti-spyware scans recently? Sounds like it could be spyware, if it isn't something you only need to add a rule to 'AdBlock Plus' for. :roll: ~D. V. "Just had to ask..." Devnull

Heck... I'll add to that by asking, "Why don't they just use the 'IP.Board Mobile' theme to make it easy/simple to browse???", because it seems kind of ludicrous that it looks like they aren't thinking of that either. Seriously, it's just one teeny-tiny simple little drop-down... :roll: ~D. V. "I think somebody missed something here..." Devnull

I'm gonna 4th what Das, n_odie, and tripsis said... As far as I know, that game hasn't even reached "Closed Beta" status. :roll: ~D. V. "No need for a forum... Can't discuss what isn't touchable." Devnull

If something's really on the line often multiple moderators will give their inputs before a decision is made. I don't have an example off hand (perhaps another moderator or admin can post one) but I think as long as the profanity in the song isn't excessive (to the point where there's a swear word in every line of the song) I think most music should be ok. I know one thing that was brought up when we discussed this was getting moderators with interests in certain genres of music to deal with the problems related to the music they listen to. This way they could be more familiar with a certain genre and could make better decisions on where to draw the line. When we say "moderator discretion" we mean that moderators will use their judgment when deciding if something crosses the line. We use moderator discretion when we find it exceedingly difficult to lay out specific rules. By that I mean, we don't find it very realistic to come up with rules like "10 or less swear words in a song is okay, but anything more than that and it is against the rules." As Gandorf said, most music should be fine. We just don't want like an f-bomb in every single line of the song, totaling to like 30+ uses of the word. If you ever have any doubts or are concerned about whether or not something you want to post is appropriate, just PM it to a moderator or administrator and we'll let you know :) Hmm... For the purposes of this discussion, I think I can provide reasonable examples (with clickable linking) of alright and not... Alright -- (The above is only posted as a helpful reference for the discussion!) NOT Alright -- (The above is only posted as a helpful reference for the discussion! Yes, I did censor part of this title... Who wants to read an f-bomb?) These two sound about right for examples of what you meant, tripsis and Gandorf61? :) (Off-topic: In case you're wondering, I did have these bookmarked months prior for times when I'm in a bad mood. No intentional hunting was involved. They just seem handy for this discussion and instance. ;) ... Now, pardon me while I go back to listening to "Parker Meinecke - Tetris Remix Song B [w/ Break]" :P ...) ~D. V. "Just lending a helpful thought in a crazy place..." Devnull

Maybe I'm just crazy, but this makes me [bleep] angry. Personally, I was happier with how it was before, and I really think it should not have changed. You're letting yourselves slip, Tip.It Staff!!! :angry: Like, it's not bad enough that I (and anyone else with a well-raised, sensible mind) already have to deal with more profanity now on RuneScape, and that I have to keep that filter always on even though it can mis-censor a number of non-awful things?!? Couldn't Tip.It have stuck to their heavier policy, and kept really foul language out of this rather fine site and its' forums, even in screenshot/video form?!? :blink: In my opinion, when Jagex changes something, that honestly should never bring an end to a cleaner/heavier policy on places like Tip.It's Site and Forums. Bending to peer pressures and changing policies only makes it easier in the future to let things devolve, and I know you can imagine where that's gone... <_< ~D. V. "Feeling like I've run into a wall filled with devolution... Heavier, cleaner policies were better..." Devnull

Question for you, since you didn't already tell us: What's your Windows Version? :blink: ~D. V. "Damnit, somebody had to ask!" Devnull

I really can't figure out if I should support or not. I might have liked to, but there's some issues that put me on the edge about something like this... :-k First, how would Jagex determine what is a "rare drop"? Would it be based on their drop tables? Would it be based on money value? Would it be based on some kind of level requirement? :-s Second, could something like this be potentially overpowered? Can it allow too many "rare drops" to enter the RuneScape economy, and therefore flood the market too much? :| Third, how many arrows would be displayed at one time, should a player happen to have multiple items drop that are considered "rare drops"? If only one (or multiple) arrow(s), would it only display for the most recent "rare drop(s)" until picked up and then shift, or would it indicate the oldest "rare drop(s)" and then shift to the next least recent? :? Basically, with an idea like this, you're really looking at giving the programmers at Jagex a major headache. This would not be a simple task to code into the game, even as a feature that had the option to not be active. :geek: I'll wait for a response to my questions before deciding a final verdict on an idea/suggestion like this. :wacko: ~D. V. "It's a nice idea, but there's just some odd things about it..." Devnull

fair tradeoff. I second this. Anyway, everything is now rendering perfectly on my FF2-based (with "Outlook 2003 Blue" theme) loadout. Thanks to you both, Peter and Mil! :thumbsup: ~D. V. "Nice fix!" Devnull (p.s.: Just for the funny trivia, it's a good thing I don't use a Noia-type theme... :-w ...)

I would recommend upgrading to the newest version of FireFox as it comes out. These releases always contain lots of bugfixes and security fixes that are designed to improve your browser experience significantly and it helps the internet move forward when people update their software. Just like how Jagex recently said in their Game Engine Q&A, when people use outdated software (they mentioned java specifically) it limits what they can do with the game engine. Similarly when a large percentage of users are still using outdated browsers like Mozilla 2.x and IE 5 and 6, it limits the features a website can pump out unless the website chooses to inconvenience those using older browsers. This is becoming a common practice. YouTube for the last while has been forcing users with old versions of their browser to upgrade so they could leave them behind and focus on those who want new, hip features. Cowman_133, I'm very sorry that I didn't make myself clear as to what I had meant, and therefore caused you to get the wrong impression from my post... :( Albeit on another system I do have FireFox 3.5.7 (and disliking some things on it, won't upgrade to 3.6+ due to "plugin update shoving" which would ruin my increased Java Max RAM usage settings and take control away from my hands ... Keep in mind that, in rare cases, the developers of stuff sometimes don't know better than their users... In my case, I'm a rather odd rare case as a Power User!) to check the forums with, when everything is working right with Tip.It's Forums then it just simply works properly on this older FireFox 2.0.0.6 as well, strangely enough. Don't know entirely why that is, but I'm thankful it does because it enables me to see some problems rather quickly, and still be able to use some things that I like which don't exist (and/or work worse) for later FireFox versions. And that's just let alone the fact that the older browser is much less of a RAM Hog and runs more quickly and cleanly, contrary to popular belief. ;) Now, the real point which I'm trying to make here is that I'm helping to give a scope to how wide the problem is at current. I'm NOT trying to get anyone here to go and add a ton of special support for older browser users. I was simply saying that if the problem is showing on the newer browsers, but the exact same problem is showing on older browsers, then the problem is more massive than the initial scope was thought to be. Further, I'm just here to help identify that it is hitting stuff at a far heavier basic level somewhere in the skin template code of the forums, as this case happens to be. :geek: So, please, don't go off nuts at me just because you see my making a note with "FireFox 2.0.0.6" in it?!?!? :wacko: ~D. V. "Was not trying to push for compatibility... I'm just trying to help catch the bugs!" Devnull

Daaaaaaaaaaaamn... Sooooo many questions that should have been answered, and weren't... :| Ah well, I might have to start looking at price lookup lists again like those that once existed on Zybez, and they're not a first choice for 'places to look' for me. Heck, I wonder if our semi-cool Tip.It Forums Admins will bring back all those nifty old market sections that were once here on these forums? :huh: ~D. V. "Soooo many things to wonder about, things sometimes better set in stone..." Devnull

'S.O.J.', you have my support... There was a suggestion for something like this a long time ago that got buried, and I still feel that it should have gone through and been made part of RuneScape, like how it is on FunOrb. :huh: ~D. V. "This is overdue for happening..." Devnull

Ha ha... Awesome! I'll bet Sniper-class players enjoy wearing that item in order to get across how much that their missed shots are "a headache and then some"... Probably results in anyone thinking of attacking them suddenly falling over laughing first. :lol: ~D. V. "LOL, Nice!" Devnull

Is that really from TF2, GMod'ed, or photoshopped? I don't think the Spy can have a Butcher Knife sticking out of his head like that image depicts. :blink: ~D. V. "Spy /w Butcher Knife... Wait, what?!?!?" Devnull

Just so everyone here knows, I've been playing Dead Frontier for many months in a good Flash-based 2D form before it went to pot in a Unity-based 3D form. I seriously recommend against anyone playing this game in the Unity-based 3D form as it currently has all kinds of problems with it, and leaves behind way too many people (even ones with very modern technology) whose systems work better on the Flash-based 2D version. :wacko: As many of you should know, leaving behind legacy users so harshly is bad for business. Also, the staff there as well as many users have this "elitist snob" attitude about themselves. So stay away, because the community is awful and will get under your skin in a rather bad way. :angry: ~D. V. "Don't play Dead Frontier, because it has turned into something awful over there!" Devnull (p.s.: I'm still trying to find something to replace that game in my MMORPG stack...)

I'm going to chock this one up to NTFS Permissions. Unluckily, I have no solution for you as I would have to try something first on this PC I'm at... Embarrassingly, I currently have like 5 or 6 '.jagex_cache_32' folders across 'C:' here due to NTFS permissions being a jerk, and can't get the person I need to help me to take some time with me on it. :oops: As for what I'm intending to try, in case you wish to try anyway before I can certify it... If I'm right, it is just a matter of creating a single '.jagex_cache_32' folder at the base level of 'C:' and giving 'Full Control' permissions to the 'Everyone' group. (And no, I don't mean sharing the folder with File/Print Sharing, as that won't have the intended effect.) Probably going to end up with some lunatic security advocate trying to read me the riot act for even mentioning this here... :rolleyes: ~D. V. "RuneScape and NTFS don't mix well..." Devnull

I'm confirming that this is a major problem... FireFox 2.0.0.6 here (this browser is danged flexible)...So whatever is going on is hitting everything. :angry: ~D. V. "Accursed Bug!" Devnull

Okay, I don't seem to be having your problem... FireFox 2.0.0.6 (old, but good!) here... I think I've got support for other languages (which would probably negate the issue happening) installed on this system, but this Power User account I have won't let me check. :blink: BTW, upon further investigation, the page itself is apparently being delivered in the encoding you have selected, as my browser is using the same both under manual and auto-detection settings. Worst case, you might have to reinstall the "Western (ISO-8859-1)" character encoding, if not the FireFox browser as well. But I really hope it doesn't come to that, as it could be a nightmare. :ohnoes: ~D. V. "Looks like an obscure anomaly to me..." Devnull

Just in-case you're taking suggestions on what that button's image could look like, tripsis... I think something like the "R" and "S" from the RuneScape Logo, along with "QFC" or "Forums" below it in plain lettering would make a good self-describing button image. :) ... Albeit, I'll admit that my thought is probably mundane and overly basic. :P ~D. V. "Lettered button, perhaps?" Devnull

Seeing as you mentioned Internet Exploder... What's your Windows Version? It sounds like you may be having a problem with UAC and/or NTFS Permissions. :geek: ~D. V. "Windows Version?" Devnull

I got just one question... FireFox Version? :blink: Heck, I might as well ask... What are the urls of the pages you're visiting? :huh: ~D. V. "Huh?" Devnull