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If the Cartel are using weapons and ammunition illegally bought from shops in which the ATF authorized illegal sales, then yes, the blood is on the ATF's hands. There is no way that the blame can be placed, or for that matter, reduced by any degree, anywhere else but on the ATF. Oh, I dunno, how about placing the blame on the killers? Aren't we already accepting that these people are going to kill anyways? We're not discussing whether or not justice should be exacted on known criminals, I figured that went without saying. We're discussing to what degree the ATF should be blamed for murders caused by illegal weapons sales, and to that I say they should be fully responsible.

no no no... see you don't get it. There's 4 steps to this process: 1. We sell them the guns. 2. We wait to see where they pop up. 4. We confiscate the guns. #3 is when they commit a murder with the gun we trace it back to whoever bought it. Genius! Yeah like those pesky Mexican police officers that are trying to take down the Cartel. I'm sure they'd love to hear how the ATF is supplying their killers.

It's just not as big a deal as people are making it. It makes for a funny/embarrassing news story, but it isn't that big of a deal. I don't see the reasoning behind selling high powered weapons to international criminals as a means to catch them. Maybe that's just me.

If the Cartel are using weapons and ammunition illegally bought from shops in which the ATF authorized illegal sales, then yes, the blood is on the ATF's hands. There is no way that the blame can be placed, or for that matter, reduced by any degree, anywhere else but on the ATF. It's not like it's hard for Mexicans with cartel connections to get guns from the US. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?_r=1 It's not like the ATF did anything that can't already be done easily enough. This car is rapidly approaching Pointless Argument Road, you know, the one that's right after Smash My Face Against a Wall Avenue? I am well aware that weapons are bought and sold illegally in America and often wind up south of the border BUT THAT DOES NOT ABSOLVE ATF FROM RESPONSIBILITY. It is so frustrating to watch people try to justify the authorized sale of illegal weapons to Mexican drug Cartel with the only logic being "Uh, well dude, they would have gotten them anyway, so it's all good." NO, it is not okay under any circumstances for an entity of the United States government to sell illegal weapons to known international criminals.

If the Cartel are using weapons and ammunition illegally bought from shops in which the ATF authorized illegal sales, then yes, the blood is on the ATF's hands. There is no way that the blame can be placed, or for that matter, reduced by any degree, anywhere else but on the ATF.

All items in Runescape are gaudy in my opinion, it's the meaning and/or stats of the item that give it its worth. The cape looks fine.

The hipster thick-rimmed glasses disease??? NOooooOOOo :mrgreen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S9Ew3TIeVQ My roommate showed me this one last year, it's pretty hilarious. This is one of the best scenes haha.

That's a really dirty trick to tell someone they've won $1,000 dollars <_<

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. This world is not terrible, but there are terrible people like the soldiers above. I don't want to get in a huge argument over this, but I disagree that they're terrible people. If you haven't heard of it, look up Philip Zombardo's prison experiment. tl;dr about the experiment: he chose law-abiding college students to either act as prisoners or guards, and watched how each person reacted. Most guards acted like real prison guards and were abusive, while most prisoners suffered mental stress and panic because of the abuse. These are normal people in a matter of days (the study only lasted 6 days). Most people will do messed up stuff if you give them authority without structure. I would say it's a problem with the army as a whole and how it is run, not a few bad soldiers. Just from glancing through the Wikipedia article on it (yes, crucify me if you will for Wikipedia), the criticisms seem pretty reasonable. At the very least this experiment was done incorrectly and the results inconclusive.

I like this, General Discussion is a pain to read sometimes.

What's to discuss...this is [bleep]ing horrible.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. This world is not terrible, but there are terrible people like the soldiers above. If we carry with us into war the mindset that these kinds of atrocities are "just going to happen" and should be swept under the rug, we invite a very disturbing style of warfare to return from the not-so-distant-past. Give these soldiers the fate their victims received, not a dishonorable discharge or any lesser punishment. I will admit, these things do happen, but if we pursue justice in a swift and unyielding manner, soldiers can get the message. We may not catch all war-criminals but at the same, we do not catch all of our domestic criminals either. Apathy has no place here.

Although I typically do not side with the military--and I won't in regards to the RS article--I have to say that not all soldiers are prejudiced, but there is a good portion that give the rest a bad name.

There is a high school that my old high school used to play for basketball playoffs. Gale-Ettrick-Trempeleau High, or, GET High. Haha.

Humans can help themselves but animals controlled by humans cannot. We need to help those who cannot help themselves, but I agree, a human life takes precedent over an animal life any day.

Disgusting.....that's all I can really say. Something about a caged animal, even at well-kept zoos, gets me every time. They should be in the wild, not caged for display.

You're totally wrong. I spend X amount of money for Y amount of gaming hours. If I play 300 hours in 1 month and none during the other, and pay $6 for each, in the end I still paid $12 for 300 hours of game time. If your argument is that the price is too high because I don't play during some months - guess what, I consistently play a fair bit of time each month. If not, I cancel my subscription. I'm sure it's not just you, but consider this. As far as I can see your lowest level is 67, which means you've invested quite a bit of time into each skill - though more into some than others. Have you ever thought "I hate this skill, I don't want to train it"? If the answer is yes, guess what - that much time was wasted not actually having fun, however you go around it. Have you ever done cooking semi-AFKing while watching a movie (for example)? In that case, it wasn't RuneScape that gave you the entertainment, but the movie or whatever. Of course, if every single moment of your RuneScape career was spent having fun, then RS is a pretty great investment for you, but I doubt that's so. I get enjoyment out of setting goals and accomplishing them. I don't see why everything has to be immediate satisfaction (heh).

One of the reasons it is so cheap is that many bots buy memberships every month. If they got rid of those paying members, I would bet prices would rise. I'll never pay more than $5 for a browser-based MMORPG with poor graphics.

HELLO WISCONSIN!!!

I hope he did, it's a great thing if you don't do it all the time.

I'm watching that right now and I don't get your point at all. The guy wants to sound as if he knows what he's talking about but he is just clutching at straws which are not relevant to the situation. 1. Countries traded arms with Libya: Yes they did, as they do with almost all countries in the world. How though does this mean they shouldn't intervene? 2. Countries met with Gaddafi and traded economically: Again, we live in a globalised society where world leaders have to meet. Libya has a large oil supply which the rest of the world needs. While the country was at peace, the rest of the world had no choice but to trade with Libya 3. Leaders of countries leading the attacks are falling in polls: Firstly why the hell does that even matter? Secondly are you sure? I know Cameron wasn't overly popular in the UK a short while ago but I actually think his popularity has been slowly rising for a few months since the budget cuts. I don't think 'nuff was said. The video was horrendously biased and, proven by the amount of view by all that guys videos, he doesn't know what he's talking about and isn't taken seriously. I just have a lot of respect of Stefan Molyneux, sorry that you don't, he's easily one of the wisest people on the web, and I wasn't replying to anyone, just sharing. Btw, it's just ignorant to conclude someone's integrity by the amount of exposure they receive. That guy purports that he knows what he's talking about because all of academia is lies and deceit. LIES AND DECEIT, MAN! His video provides NO sources for any of the claims he makes, but of course that's because all the sources he could use are LIES AND DECEIT. Come on dude, be realistic, there is no way any of these conspiracies are anywhere near true. Sure, some of his "facts" may be based on real events and real people, but the conclusions he draws from them are so far from the truth it's laughable.

Have you tried the 4.0 Beta? I was getting sick of Firefox 3.whatever and almost switched to Chrome until I realized that I hate it. 4.0 is a good medium between the sleekness of Chrome and the usability of Firefox.

Yes it would, and don't call me Shirley ... ;) I'll call you Leslie instead.

Diff'rent strokes for Diff'rent folks. I don't know where you're getting "right now its not looking like the best way to spend your time" from, I've always loved skilling and I always will. Bots don't make me angry, they just make me laugh. Those people get no satisfaction from this game.