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Yes. They have. There are far more trades each day and they claim to be able to track those. Maybe they are lying? Yet nobody at Jagex could figure out that a reasonable limit would suffice, without going to the ridiculous extreme of 12k per hour? Not as they are currently implemented. Have you tried them? They might be fun when the bugs are out but they're completely different from regular staking.

You look at the pattern of losses, combine that with information like IP addresses and trading patterns and determine if they are legit or not. Jagex claims to be good at this stuff, remember? :)

Uniquely, stakers can RWT by purposefully losing stakes to players they pre-arranged to lose to in exchange for real money. Staker A promises to 'give' Player C 10mil GP in 'exchange' for $20, they both go to the duel arena and Staker A stakes 10mil GP and Player C 9if they have a brain) stake a similar ammount, Staker A turns off auto-retaliate and loses, the exchange is complete. Jagex CANNOT track this. Of course they can. All they have to do is record the outcomes of duels over X amount, and have a report be generated when the same thing happens too many times from one player in a suspicious manner.

And maybe I'm really Zorzorxx from the planet Fleeblesnort. ;) This update is ridiculous. It reflects a near total lack of understanding of the issues surrounding RWT and the duel arena. Hundreds of people have already made far better suggestions.

Stopping xlogging was like fixing a flat tire. The 3k staking limit is then like setting the car on fire and driving it over a bridge into a canyon. But at least the tire's fixed.

Well, a J mod replied to me directly on the RSOF and flatly denied that they did this on purpose to kill staking. If true (who knows) then that's nice, but leaves the other alternative, which isn't much better: they never bothered to come up with a more intelligent solution. This fixes RWT the way spraying Round-UP over your entire lawn fixes weeds.

So is the other one. Jagex is either clueless or dishonest about this update. Either way, it's not a pretty sight.

As for the tournament system... Why on earth do they have an option where you can't heal or use potions so you get poisoned and it carries over to the next round and you die before you start? Now I'm in a tourney where my opponent is in a different room from me. LOL I "won" that (how?) and then died of poison in the waiting room because the game was too confused as to what to do with the four remaining players. Ridiculous.

They could have curtailed the very big stakes without destroying staking entirely. They very deliberately chose a number so low that it would kill off this entire aspect of the game.

That's my bone of contention. That it is obvious that this is a big part of why they did it, but they wouldn't tell people about it. Then why are they not being honest about the reason for the update?

I again respectfully request that a mod please lock this thread. Thank you.

When they make a big change people are going to complain anyway. But lying about the motivation for the change doesn't help matters. They are far better off saying "we don't want to duel arena to be used as a big money-maker because it's not what we meant it to be for" than to make up bogus nonsense about how they are imposing a 12k/hr cap to stop RL trading. It's an assault on the intelligence of any player with the ability to think. True. And if they don't want to say why they did it, that's their prerogative. Here, though, they provided an explanation that is not honest. And I object to that. Limiting staking to something like 500k to 1m an hour would have stopped the cheats. Dropping it down to a figure that they KNOW is a trivial amount of gold was done for one reason and one reason only -- to take staking (i.e. non-fun dueling) out of the game. I am not a big staker -- far from it! But even I, on occasion, would stake 5k or 10k. Do they really expect anyone who's been in the game for more than a week to sit around figuring out if they can now stake 800 gold or if they can go all the way to 1,300? It's ridiculous. They cannot possibly be so stupid as to not realize the consequences of this move. It was deliberate.

Once again.. If that's how Jagex felt, why didn't they have the decency and honesty to say so instead of cowering behind a lie?

I'm unhappy because I don't like being deceived. Jagex is not being honest about their real motivations or goals for this update. And that's not treating customers with respect.

Then why don't they BE HONEST and say that? Are they that afraid of their own players?

I don't stake. And I don't like high staking being in the game. But they have a legitimate gripe here (not that I approve of riots, mind you). Jagex has deliberately killed staking without the decency of even being honest about it. Remember your comments when something YOU like in the game is destroyed and others aren't sympathetic...

Let's pray that you're right. I just don't see any point in them lying about their reasons for this. The reason you've postulated is far less controversial than the one they gave us, so it'd be a mighty silly lie! They've done stupider things before.

They left it in basically for "funning". Do you think that if the cap had been, say, 100k every 15 minutes that RWT would use it? Of course not. But stakers still would. You really believe they didn't think of that middle ground option? I do not. So either you overestimate their honesty or I overestimate their awareness of how their game works. :)

Armadyllo, The cap is set at 12k per hour. That's a ridiculous amount of money as I am sure anyone would agree. A member can make that in 10 minutes as soon as they step foot off of Tutorial Island. RWT is done with huge amounts of money.. tens of millions. They could have set the cap to something like 500k to 1m per hour, which would have stopped RWT and very high-end staking but still allowed stakers to play the game in the way they enjoy to a reasonable extent. (There are plenty of other ways to make that much anyway that are less risky.) Capping at a ridiculous low figure was designed to stop not just RWT, but 1-on-1 staking in its entirety.

Cool that you have a direct line with one of the bosses, but I think he was blowing sunshine at you. There is more to this than they are admitting.

I respectfully request that a moderator either intervene to stop the thread hijacking and off-topic posts, or lock the thread. Thank you to those who participated reasonably.

They know exactly what they are doing. They are just too chicken to come clean about it.

It was deliberate. They wanted high-level gambling removed, but they're afraid of being honest with their own customers.

There are only two possibilities here. 1. Jagex has reached new heights of outoftouchedness by inadvertently destroying a part of the game people liked in their pursuit of RL trading. 2. Jagex deliberately wanted to stop high-stakes gambling but won't admit it. So which is it, clueless or dishonest?

I don't think that this was entirely about RL trading at all. They deliberately wanted to get rid of high-stakes gambling at the arena, but they don't want to admit it.