All_Is_Great

Right, and did you read my post? Sorry I laughed at you, now read the next sentence. How do them transferring wealth affect you? They transfer stuff now, does that affect you?

Do NOT sell it for cash+junk. I'd imagine there's no way for you to get rid of the junk because you only have a lower end rare. You won't be able to sell off the junk because of all the people anticipating the free trade update (which would make junk completely worthless, because they're.... well, junk). Ride out the storm would be my advice.

That's simply your opinion. We don't have enough information to say how things will play out either way. Green dragon bots/pure ess bots/hunter bots/... are apparently so sofisticated nowadays they are undetectable. Free trade means, errr... Like it says, free trade! You can transfer as much cash as you want in mere seconds. No, not enough information indeed. :wall: Still laughing at how you think people can't transfer cash nowadays. :wall: Those bots always existed, and them transferring cash affects you in which way? I'm not for bots by any means, I think they're cheating, but if that's your only reason for thinking this update will be bad, you need to look at the bigger picture.

Yea exactly, they've always been in the wildy. They were introduced there (the coord clues, and abyss), with the intention of danger. They got it easy for 3 years and now the danger returns. No big deal. Here are some thing you can do: 1. being pked on a RC run. Why don't you gear up and fight back? Don't just bend over and say, ok you can have my glory, i'll just hop worlds. Disguise yourself as a RCer and attack the RC pkers, rush them, they're always in mystic and that has little to no defense. A couple specs and they're dead. 2. Bring your clue, sextant, watch, and chart. And use a thing called Meerkats!! Iirc, meerkats can dig for you without getting a zammy wizard on you. Protect item and voila! nothing to lose. Plus, there's no joy in getting a kill without any loot.

Are such manners a mandatory feature in those supporting PKers? Then you wonder why we don't want it back? I don't think you really understand common courtesy. I genuinely HATE castle wars and quests, but if a poll came up about removing them i'd be indifferent as i understand that there are people who love that sort of content. If you didn't pk before the change, you shouldn't cry about wildy being dangerous. Don't be selfish about this, the game is not about you, it's about us. I understand that if I'm supposed to be presenting a mature opinion I don't end it with 'shut your crack'. Wouldn't advise you say it to your boss when you disagree with whatever he's proving himself imcompetent in. Ever. You guys seem to be under the impression that we want the game spoon-fed to us. I'd like the Wilderness to be dangerous as it's meant to be. To be honest, I'd remove the gravestones from the Wilderness whether PKing comes back or not - at the moment it's just a torched extention to Varrock that's easily accessible within 6 minutes. I'd also reform the Revenants so they truly are dangerous (giving them the ability to run would be an obvious start). My main concern about PKing is the effect it would have on the RuneScape community. Yes, a lot of people left RuneScape when they removed PKing, and quite frankly, good riddance to bad rubbish. No one likes being trolled by some douche who thinks he's better than you because he killed you while you were defenceless, and now you've got to earn all your RC pouches back. Like me going onto the street now, beating up some old pensioner and laughing about stealing their purse - it doesn't prove anything and you're a pretty big jerk for doing it For different reasons, I feel the same about free trade. Yes, there are those who used free trade for constructive reasons (fletching guild for example) but there were also many more who abused it, and in doing so, created a two-tier system in RuneScape where those who can afford to in real life don't have to go through the same arduous money-making tasks the rest of us have to go through. In a competitive game (in which nearly every action we do posts some contribution to the hiscores and hence our rank) that cannot be tolerated by the game's developers of all people. In short, reintroducing PKing and free trade has its benefits, but I thought I'd seen the back of those who want to ruin the game in 2007. Or at least I'd hoped the developers would want that to be the case, but after this U-turn and the way they've tried publicising it as a serious vote, my faith in Jagex is completely shot through. Well, first of all, you're not his boss. Now, you say you're concerned about the RuneScape community. Riiiiiight. So you think that all Pkers are scums, filth who taint the wonderful and tight community south of edgeville. Well can I tell you something, that's not true. There are pkers who are huge [wagon], but there are also others like that. There are also pkers who are very nice and helpful. I made many friends years ago when I used to PK alot. Some were from teammates I found in lvl 1 varrock, while others were players that I killed. Yes, I killed them! And they added me and said "hey you're pretty good, keep me added?" You seem to be under the impression that the community is better without PvP. I'm not saying that pre 07 community was better, but I'm just saying you shouldn't stereotype people. Also, RWT exists in game today just as much as it did back then, stop bringing that up as an example. People buy phats, high end spirit shields through RWT ALL THE TIME, which is still the two-tier system you describe.

If they are taking away all possible reasons a non-pker would ever come to the wild, why not limit it to a few worlds where old wild is revived? You can stil pk each other and loot everything they were wearing. -> Transferring cash to a buddy/buyer on these heavily populated oldwild-worlds wouldn't be without risk. -> no chance of messing up GE -> less incentive to buy cash -> less RWT means less botters -> no free trade means less incentive for hackers Why even bother trying to rationalise things... When Jagex has the chance of doing something stupid instead, they will take it. MMG doesn't even know the difference between chaotic and pvp-armour and he's in charge. :mellow: Well for one, it's uber crowded. Have you been in there before? And two, back in 2007, there was a wilderness in every world. Three, I don't know of Jagex's opinion on clans, but there are so many clans and only so little PvP worlds. That makes for a crashfest. If you want the old wild in only a few worlds, why bother relocating those things at all? Why bother replacing Revs? It would still be the same. It's not like RWT doesn't exist ingame today, it's not like transferring cash can't be done, it's not like there's no bots, it's not like there's no hackers, and do you think the GE is perfect right now? Judging from posts about botting, I would guess there's still plenty of them in the game, and they've changed from being 3-5 to 100+. I'm not the one trying to rationalise.

Well I didn't quote anyone, sorry. But here are some of the posts I was replying to: It couldn't actually be that: 1) We don't like being put under the impression that we can vote against this, even though we can't and someone else will vote for us anyway, or; 2) We don't like PKing and don't see any need to remove trade restrictions. I lol'd a little at the the irony of your post too, given the official word is pretty much 'Yes, or else someone will vote Yes for you'. Maybe I'm just not thinking for myself. :rolleyes:

That isn't even close to why people who oppose this...oppose this... This thread just went right over your head, didn't it? So what is the reason? That you can't vote "no?". That's why people oppose this? You oppose something not because you disagree with the issue but because you can't vote against it? :???: When did I say that? Don't put words in my mouth please. I have my own reasons for opposing this update. Most of it revolving around the free trade aspect. Well sorry for putting words in your mouth. But not many people were voicing concerns about free trade. I replied to Danq's post last page separately. So take it that my post was directed towards people opposed to the old wilderness. Like Ginger_Warrior for example.

Probably alot. There was also alot of PKers who weren't RWT and/or bots who had to suffer the Dec 07. We had to deal with it no matter how many rants were made. Remember that climbing boots update? Alot of people, like me, didn't have stocks in our banks. We watched as people around us made tens of millions with no work, but we had to deal with it too. I'm not saying I'm going to laugh at all the merchers who had bils of junk, I'm just saying sometimes it happens and it has to be accepted.

That isn't even close to why people who oppose this...oppose this... This thread just went right over your head, didn't it? So what is the reason? That you can't vote "no?". That's why people oppose this? You oppose something not because you disagree with the issue but because you can't vote against it? :???: So tell me, if you could vote against it, what would be your reason?

It isn't just the wilderness that is being voted on. It's free trade as well. Even then, we don't know the extent of the back-track we are voting for. You say it wouldn't harm us if the wilderness came back, but how about those who want to go into the wilderness? The game has changed and many people use the wilderness for activities seperate from Pking. Just because you don't PK doesn't mean it wouldn't effect you. For me personally, the main part I don't want which would come of the update would be the unstability of the game for another few years and the massive instability of the economy in the months following the update. It took Jagex years to stabilise the game after taking free trade out, I don't doubt it would take as long to reverse it. This would mean losing out on updates such as quests. Yes, I get that people have the habit of going into the wilderness for certain activities, like clues, minigames. But there's a screenshot on pg 37 you should take a look at. Mod Mark says they are heavily considering relocating, and making changes to clue scrolls and RC PKing. Personally, I disagree with that, b/c I think clues were meant to be dangerous, but if the majority are upset over it, I wouldn't mind. About unstability. Of course the game will be unstable after a major update like this. All updates make the game unstable, just to different degrees. Plus, I would argue that the game is still unstable from the updates of Dec 07. Especially because of the period of 76k'ing, and this current tricking business combined with all the pvp statues. Can you give me some predictions on what will be unstable after the update? As for economic unstability, I actually would think it would help. Right now, new items are always bought out after they are introduced, mostly by merchanters who have no intention of using the item, and only using it as bargain chips. Would you say that's economic stability? Items also get manipulated time and time again, making even the most common daily activities inconvenient (when ppots get merched, or more recently, sara brews). If free trade is implemented, I think it will help this issue, because there's no limit to your offer. You can outbid the mercha manipulators if you are in dire need of something. And as time goes on, the period right after an item is released during which it unbuyable will become shorter, because prices can adjust faster without GE limits. That's just what I think about your concerns.

Can I just say one thing to all those who oppose this? Here goes: You don't HAVE to partake in it! No one is going up to you IRL with a gun and putting it to the back of your head saying "Go into the wilderness so I can kill you and get your stuff!". Honestly, if you don't enjoy dangerous PvP, then you can play minigames, or just stay clear. On the other hand, there's people, like me, who enjoyed PKing for what it was pre dec 07. We go into the wilderness prepared for combat at all times, and understood if you die, you lose your stuff and that's it. The old wilderness coming back is a big deal for us, and it doesn't harm you in any way. So what's with all the hostility? Just stay out of the wild and you won't get PKed. Simple.

Do you play those two at once?

But if you put your money in a savings account with an 0.05% annual interest, you could make $50,000 per year in interest! That'd be doubling your money in twenty years. What if you get hit by a car after you step out of the bank? Or a dude walks in with a machine gun and demands your money :unsure: As for phones, I'm lost. I'm almost 18 and I don't own one. :mellow:

Yah, why bot 99 agility when you can spend the time playing castle wars :shades: Bot or no bot, if you don't like a skill, there's no reason to train it to 99.

Or you could just keep clicking vote yes without typing anything in. I don't think that works... There's a list of names to the side so you gotta type something in.

Kessel is a good player. But, I have absolutely NO idea why Burke didn't sign him to an offer sheet. Overpay (like they are right now) him a little so the Bs won't match, imo that's way better than giving up 2 firsts and a second. Oilers game today, man every game I listen to it's either a loss or low scoring. I always miss the high scoring games <_< Keep up the losing, oilers, you're not making the playoffs this year so it's a good idea to get another high pick. :thumbsup:

This. Not surprised though, tip.it isn't as pk oriented as other fan sites I remember some people staked with armour. That's why I suggested the 70/30/70 spread. It allows for whip + torags, which you use to deal low but consistent damage. I didn't stake at all since i wasn't a member, but that's what I remember.

We should get sw0rd95 back. :razz:

Cursed You I meant as in stats. :wink: 70 atk/def 30 str

^ And a spade, but I guess you can just use meerkats eh?

The inside of the cavern isn't considered pvp and if anything they'd prolly just make it single outside of it (super easy to get away then considering) or bring it inside the ranch and make the ranch safe. Exactly. Also, you aren't skulled going to corp. You're filled with brews or sharks. You're in dhides, which makes it hard for you to be frozen. Last of all, most people going to corp are maxed. Really, I don't see people camping the route to corp for kills, they won't even get many drops.

Wonderful post. Would read again. Okay, now I'm done. Look, Stork. No one is forcing you to set foot in the wilderness. Do you like your way of boss hunting? skilling? etc? You still have all of that. You never have to set foot north of the wall. You're acting like you're forced into the wilderness and you'll get killed all the time.

1. Don't fight people who pray. Most people are like this, and as a result to get fights, most pkers didn't use protection prayers in 1v1. 2. LOL, 1 itemers don't get kills. LOL. Unless they're targeting someone AFK or get uber lucky with consecutive hits. 3. What? that made no sense. All you had to do is kill the NPC that was attacking them, then you're free to attack him. 4. Hello! Teleblock. Remember when people said "share I tb'ed", where do you think that came from. 5. Tag teaming still happens today. The other day I was mauling away at my opponent and got 2 specced by an ags because I didn't eat in hope of a KO. In truth, none of your arguements make any sense. Especially 3 and 5. I don't think anyone has any problems mixing the best of the old and current together. So if you keep 3 and 5 in the old/future wilderness, I doubt anyone would quit over it. To be completely honest, I never killed helpless people, the ones who are just exploring and don't wear anything, because it's kinda useless. I let them go on their merry way, and it's all good. There are people who do, but who can blame them? You're the one whos going around in a PvP area with no defences or food, so what if you die? Hop worlds or something and go explore again.

Hi, NukeMarine. Do you know why you get skulled upon entering the abyss? So you can lose all your items if you die, duh! That proves it was intended to be dangerous, and not just a convenient way to RC. Besides you can buy back pouches now, which might make RC pking a money drain :!: As well, you don't get skulled unlesss you attack first. That's the way it worked, which means that if you don't feel like killing others, you wouldn't be skulled in the first place, and you will be safe. Most problems in the old wildy still exist in todays BH worlds y'know? Like praying, safing, luring, teleporting, etc etc.