Sorry, I'll rephrase that. He's pushing for a affordable healthcare with public options for some. I absolutely agree that it's not public in essence, but it is an improvement in that regard. Note: I agree with the legislation and wish he could have done more. Don't really know what to say here, I don't know much american history. I agree to an extent - once again I'm no expert on American history. My point is that while elements of the political spectrum may have become more conservative, the left wing has done some pretty left-wing stuff as well. (legalize abortion, gay marriage on the way, stem cell research, etc etc.) You can't deny these things follow liberal ideologies. Not going to argue that, as I said...not well versed on this period in history. If Barack Obama governed the way he's governing in America in say, Britain? He'd be a Tory, through and through, although probably to the left of David Cameron. In Germany he'd be to the right of Angela Merkel. I know the response to that is "America is a center-right nation," but we're not. If you ask people about each issue, we'd be a center-left nation. Probably to the left of Britain, but to the right of most Western Europe. There's just too many reactionaries here who love Medicare and the VA yet denounce socialism. It seems a little contradictory of you to say here that American is a center-left nation when most of your previous posts have been attempting to show that America has become more right wing.. Certainly the American left isn't anything like the Canadian left, same goes for the right.